List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[1970crow]

Why are we retaining ROC? He doesn't seem to have done anything of note sofar.

Managed to get selected a couple of times.

 

[Big Dub]

Managed to get selected a couple of times.

We needed to see if he could be an AFL player before making a call on whether to recontract.

I wasn't convinced.

I think using his spot on someone with a bigger upside, even if likely a fail, would be a better call.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Managed to get selected a couple of times.

Low bar, especially given our form in the last 2 years

 

[huludicidal]

Why are we retaining ROC? He doesn't seem to have done anything of note sofar.

I think O’Connor has some nice tools and potential to play a shutdown role at AFL level. Has a rare combination of height (he’s around 192), speed (he’s quicker than all of our current starting mids and from memory has a sub 3 second 20m sprint which is very rare for an inside mid of his physical stature) and a love of tackling (among the league leaders in this category in the SANFL). Just needs to work on his offensive / outside game and I think he’s AFL list-worthy. The perfect type to stash on the rookie list for another 1-2 years to see if his game can evolve IMO.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I think O’Connor has some nice tools and potential to play a shutdown role at AFL level. Has a rare combination of height (he’s around 192), speed (he’s quicker than all of our current starting mids and from memory has a sub 3 second 20m sprint which is very rare for an inside mid of his physical stature) and a love of tackling (among the league leaders in this category in the SANFL). Just needs to work on his offensive / outside game and I think he’s AFL list-worthy. The perfect type to stash on the rookie list for another 1-2 years to see if his game can evolve IMO.

Yeah I think he stays on our list next year. Probably in rookie list form, but it'd be nice to see him get one more year of development and see how he grows

I keep thinking Willem Drew as a possible eventual comparison, the tall defensive mid

 

[1970crow]

Low bar, especially given our form in the last 2 years

We're still continuity driven and don't just cycle through players to get a look. Hadn't we used equal lowest number of players throughout most of the year.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Say what?, exactly how much of Mitch Hinge's play have you actually watched?

What the bit where his shoulder continually popped out? Good player, but liability imo.

 

[Mutineer]

What the bit where his shoulder continually popped out? Good player, but liability imo.

A liability?
How is that exactly?

He's a had a shoulder reco like a host of other AFL players before him that have gone on to have stellar careers, maybe wait until you've seen more to pass judgement? I think you'll be surprised how good he is overhead and he has a seriously good and penetrating boot hence our interest I'd think.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What the bit where his shoulder continually popped out? Good player, but liability imo.

Still a far better prospect than Lienert... after shoulder surgery.

 

[Vader]

We don’t no, but if we don’t, it would mean that we would need to upgrade BOTH Butts and Strachan in 12 months time, which likely eats up a draft pick inside 80, in a draft with more exposed form.

Butts has clearly established himself as a long term player at the club, so with a low number of viable draft picks available to us in 2021 and an uncontracted O’Connor, it makes sense to upgrade Butts now, and essentially give his Rookie spot to ROC IMO. That way only 1 upgrade is required in 2022 (Strachan), but we have the same players on our senior and rookie lists combined.

Not just Butts & Strachan - Butts, Strachan & Keays would all potentially need to be upgraded in 12 months time.

I think if the Big Red can't get a foothold in the side at some point next season he'll be off the list.

But it's a fair point you raise

He signed for 2 years, less than a month ago. He's not going anywhere next year.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Still a far better prospect than Lienert... after shoulder surgery.

Hope so for his sake. Don't need another player's career cut short by shoulders always popping out.
I am a bit biased to Lienert as I taught him a while ago now.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hope so for his sake. Don't need another player's career cut short by shoulders always popping out.
I am a bit biased to Lienert as I taught him a while ago now.

I think Lienert is a solid enough player, but we have younger players with more upside... so he isn't really a good match for us.

Sides completing for a flag should consider him as depth.

 

[Rags_118]

I think O’Connor has some nice tools and potential to play a shutdown role at AFL level. Has a rare combination of height (he’s around 192), speed (he’s quicker than all of our current starting mids and from memory has a sub 3 second 20m sprint which is very rare for an inside mid of his physical stature) and a love of tackling (among the league leaders in this category in the SANFL). Just needs to work on his offensive / outside game and I think he’s AFL list-worthy. The perfect type to stash on the rookie list for another 1-2 years to see if his game can evolve IMO.

Has any junior developing player ever been dumped from an AFL main list to the rookie list after their initial 2 year contract to then subsequently bounce back and become an established AFL player?

On the balance of probabilities I think we should roll the dice on someone new as rookie(s) - for both Davis and O’Connor. Better to find another Butts, Laird, Keays, ROC, Rutten, Mattner, Bock etc than being kind to another Nick Joyce, even if the greater likelihood is another Keenan Ramsay.

 

[Mutineer]

Has any junior developing player ever been dumped from an AFL main list to the rookie list after their initial 2 year contract to then subsequently bounce back and become an established AFL player?

On the balance of probabilities I think we should roll the dice on someone new as rookie(s) - for both Davis and O’Connor. Better to find another Butts, Laird, Keays, ROC, Rutten, Mattner, Bock etc than being kind to another Nick Joyce, even if the greater likelihood is another Keenan Ramsay.

How many Adelaide draftees played no football in their 1st year on an AFL list due to Covid and then got dumped?

 

[Scorpus]

How many Adelaide draftees played no football in their 1st year on an AFL list due to Covid and then got dumped?

Just Ayce Taylor I believe

 

[Mutineer]

Just Ayce Taylor I believe

He was a rookie not an National draftee wasn't he?

 

[Vader]

Just Ayce Taylor I believe

Desperately unlucky. Never got to play a game in AFC colours, at any level.

 

[DaKids]

Has any junior developing player ever been dumped from an AFL main list to the rookie list after their initial 2 year contract to then subsequently bounce back and become an established AFL player?

On the balance of probabilities I think we should roll the dice on someone new as rookie(s) - for both Davis and O’Connor. Better to find another Butts, Laird, Keays, ROC, Rutten, Mattner, Bock etc than being kind to another Nick Joyce, even if the greater likelihood is another Keenan Ramsay.

Nothing but a gut feel, but reading those tea leaves I get the feeling this draft ain’t too popular after about 30-40. Might buy those 2 boys an extra year I think.

 

[Scorpus]

He was a rookie not an National draftee wasn't he?

Not even that, SSP

 

[Vader]

Not even that, SSP

He was selected in the SSP, but he was on our rookie list.

 

[Mutineer]

Scorpus

Spud or not?

Have to seek your approval or not before I give my opinion?

A trade away from West Coast didn’t eventuate for Jarrod Brander

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Jarrod Brander

Age

26

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.3

2star

D

12.3

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.5

3star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.2

2star

. But he still hopes to land at another AFL club after being delisted. See every list change here.
West Coast utility Jarrod Brander

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Jarrod Brander

Age

26

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.3

2star

D

12.3

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.5

3star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.2

2star

will hope he can resurrect his AFL career in the draft, or as a delisted free agent, after he was cut by the Eagles on Monday.
Brander, 22, played 11 games this season and was linked to a potential move during the recent trade period but the Eagles confirmed they parted ways with the former Victorian draftee after four seasons.
“Following discussions with his management the club has delisted Jarrod, who is keen to explore other opportunities,” Recruiting and List Manager Rohan O’Brien said.

“We thank Jarrod for his contribution to the club over the past four years and wish him all the best for the future.”

 

[Scorpus]

Scorpus

Spud or not?

Have to seek your approval or not before I give my opinion?

A trade away from West Coast didn’t eventuate for Jarrod Brander. But he still hopes to land at another AFL club after being delisted. See every list change here.
West Coast utility Jarrod Brander will hope he can resurrect his AFL career in the draft, or as a delisted free agent, after he was cut by the Eagles on Monday.
Brander, 22, played 11 games this season and was linked to a potential move during the recent trade period but the Eagles confirmed they parted ways with the former Victorian draftee after four seasons.
“Following discussions with his management the club has delisted Jarrod, who is keen to explore other opportunities,” Recruiting and List Manager Rohan O’Brien said.

“We thank Jarrod for his contribution to the club over the past four years and wish him all the best for the future.”

Didn't West Coast play him out of position at AFL level on the wing? Seemed a bit odd for a 195cm guy. Surely a club down on forward stocks should look at him like Collingwood

 

[Mutineer]

Didn't West Coast play him out of position at AFL level on the wing? Seemed a bit odd for a 195cm guy. Surely a club down on forward stocks should look at him like Collingwood

Actually I also quite liked him at U18's level as a Centre Half Back where he played a similar attacking style to Nathan Bock for the Bendigo Pioneers/Allies, played both ends to quite a high level and lacks nothing athletically but it's hard to see the wing being his best spot, maybe they thought they could change him into a Charlie Ballard type?

Either way surely he now goes to the head of the class with this year's DFA's, surely he'll be snapped up quickly.

 

[Scorpus]

Actually I also quite liked him at U18's level as a Centre Half Back where he played a similar attacking style to Nathan Bock for the Bendigo Pioneers/Allies, played both ends to quite a high level and lacks nothing athletically but it's hard to see the wing being his best spot, maybe they thought they could change him into a Charlie Ballard type?

Either way surely he now goes to the head of the class with this year's DFA's, surely he'll be snapped up quickly.

You'd think so, I mean if Wylie Buzza can get a second chance then Jarrod Brander should

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Didn't West Coast play him out of position at AFL level on the wing? Seemed a bit odd for a 195cm guy. Surely a club down on forward stocks should look at him like Collingwood

Most games i watched this season he was playing as a tall half back flanker. I didn't think he was that bad, but appears a little soft at the contest at times.