Review Good/Bad: Inaccurate Crows vs St Kilda

[Jeffcrowe]

We do, in small - med players .....just not all on the park ATM .....where we lack class, is in the talls dept ...that's a real need

Hately Keays Berry all going well but none are above average kicks . Most likely below ave

I might have even overrated Lairds kicking a bit and was a bit slow to the party . Lucky to be an Average kick currently

But yep even with all that still had enough good shots on goal to win by 3-4 goals

 

[LeftyLuke]

We have plenty of issues, but the main glaring one is our midfield size

Laird. Good player
Sloane (was) a good player
Berry (going) to be a good player
Soligo (showing signs) of being a good player
Crouch (was) a good player
Keays. Good player

But they are all the same height and all don't have pace.

Where is our Petracca, Oliver, Bont, Fyfe, Cripps, Kennedy (back in his day) Danger, Macrae type?

We need someone with size and or pace that can grab the game by the scruff and drag us over the line. We got smashed in the middle in the last.Small bodies were tired

We have some pieces of elite talent. Dawson, Rachele, Thilthorpe. But none of them are mids (Rachele may become one?)

I don't mid finishing bottom 5 again if it means we get a top 5 pick to get more top end talent. But gee whiskers we CANNOT afford to duck this one up

duck going for Lukocious or Rankine. They don't fit our top end need. Get the speed and size we need to tear some games apart. Until we do that, we going to languish bottom 5-6 every year

Thilthorpe hasn't shown anything elite yet. Going a bit early there.

 

[Scorpus]

Both show a bit further up the field. McHenry is quite elusive, good with his hands. Can hit a short pass. Murphy reads things well off hands at stoppages.

Both have no value close to goal.

The Tex stat (40% of our scores involve him, an AFL high) show that we need to get more goal threats/creative players in our forward half.

We also need midfielders that will choose options other than Tex.

That example in the Fogarty thread is a great example of us not using multiple free non-Tex options

 

[lincsPJ]

Bad
Murphy's following set shot from the 50m penalty. His field kicking is abysmal, his goal kicking is worse (wasn't alone tonight but his is always terrible). Stoppage mid or nothing.

Nothing, sadly. He should probably retire and go and look after his neck, anyway.

 

[Scorpus]

Honest question guys what did you think of the umpiring

Extremely favorable to us

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Honest question guys what did you think of the umpiring

We got the rub of green, without question.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I don't care whether your the youngest team in the league or geriatric like Geelong, I expect AFL listed players to be able to hit a shot from 30m out.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hately Keays Berry all going well but none are above average kicks . Most likely below ave

I might have even overrated Lairds kicking a bit and was a bit slow to the party . Lucky to be an Average kick currently

But yep even with all that still had enough good shots on goal to win by 3-4 goals

Pedlar, Cook, Milera, Rachelle and Sholl, all good kicks ......moving fwd, you can't imagine Hately, Keays and Berry, all in the same midfield rotation .....in fact it's not a lock Berry makes it, depends on how you view his upside

 

[footy4ever]

Honest question guys what did you think of the umpiring

It was fabulous first half! 18 frees to 5 Crows way.

Then the umps checked the stats and evened up the second half. 13 to 16 Saints way.

 

[St_Pyro]

Extremely favorable to us

Thanks for that honest reply and Good luck with the rest of the season

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Pedlar, Cook, Milera, Rachelle and Sholl, all good kicks ......moving fwd, you can't imagine Hately, Keays and Berry, all in the same midfield rotation .....in fact it's not a lock Berry makes it, depends on how you view his upside

Berry is great , he’s a lock

 

[Golumless]

He gets off the hook a lot for no presence

Almost like we understand he's a 10-20 game key forward in his second year...

Still for all this bullshit about "presence", Thilthorpe should have kicked 3 yesterday on top of 10 disposals, 5 marks and 4 score involvements. Wasn't useless defensively either.

Was a solid first game back from COVID though left a genuinely good game on the table.

 

[PCORF]

I don't care whether your the youngest team in the league or geriatric like Geelong, I expect AFL listed players to be able to hit a shot from 30m out.

They are the hardest ones to kick because you are under more pressure to do the task.

 

[LeftyLuke]

One thing I noticed when watching the replay is the lack of composure and decision making our players have when kicking to our forwards. Players such as Rowe, Keays, Murphy, McHenry. They just panic and often don't take the right option. Even Dawson had an open Walker free 15 out. Dawson should have nailed the goal or kicked it to Walker for a certain goal. Instead he did neither and kicked it across goals to saints players. Love Dawson but he seemed off last night like a few others. Dawson is elite but the others players lack of composure is now rubbing off on him. Walker gave him a massive spray for wasting the goal. We must get players into the team in the forward half that are composed such as Cook. We have too many players that don't assess a situation clearly. I think all they should practice is match sim forward entries as it's a massive weakness for us.

 

[Scorpus]

Almost like we understand he's a 10-20 game key forward in his second year...

Still for all this bullshit about "presence", Thilthorpe should have kicked 3 yesterday.

"Presence" is also the wrong word. Thilthorpe lacks a bit of hardness at the contest, but he can still have presence.

For example a highly skilled player has presence because they will be damaging with their disposals and have a high impact. Those players the opposition needs to put time into. Thilthorpe is one of these types.

Contrast that to Himmelberg. He has no presence. Not only is he poor at the contest, he has mediocre skills, poor footy IQ and isn't damaging. Opposition don't need to bother with him.

 

[cleanhands]

Almost like we understand he's a 10-20 game key forward in his second year...

Still for all this bullshit about "presence", Thilthorpe should have kicked 3 yesterday on top of 10 disposals, 5 marks and 4 score involvements. Wasn't useless defensively either.

Was a solid first game back from COVID though left a genuinely good game on the table.

Far from solid as I saw it for 200cm didn’t se him launch at to many packs, but well give him the excuse list

 

[safeandsound]

Honest question guys what did you think of the umpiring

Crows had a charitable ride the first 3 quarters .

 

[BunjiMac]

For the best results and the long term outlook, Walker needs a scheduled rest plan.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Murph and McHenry being played as small forwards is just excruciating. How many shots on goal will they miss before the coaches finally give up on this dumb experiment?

They aren't there to score. They are there to pressure the backmen so the ball doesn't come out easily. Get with Nick's vision.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

They aren't there to score. They are there to pressure the backmen so the ball doesn't come out easily. Get with Nick's vision.

"If you had 44 Petrenko's, you'd be in good shape" - Matthew Nicks

 

[LeftyLuke]

Hately > Matt Crouch

Hard for them to get Matt back in now although they’ll probably try haha

Unlikely. That ship has sailed. We need pace in the middle and crouch isn't that.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Both show a bit further up the field. McHenry is quite elusive, good with his hands. Can hit a short pass. Murphy reads things well off hands at stoppages.

Both have no value close to goal.

The Tex stat (40% of our scores involve him, an AFL high) show that we need to get more goal threats/creative players in our forward half.

Spot on , they are much better up the field

Maybe we should try Cook in forward half where he played in his draft year

 

[Bearded Clam]

Agree .....the Club needs to get Crouch's trade value up .....midfield is too slow with Hately, Crouch, and Berry ....they'll try, it'll fail though

Crouch’s trade value..



Hard to see it changing either.. the game has moved away from slow, medium skilled high accumulator type midfielders.. they just dont do the damage to the opp. required in the current game..

 

[BunjiMac]

They aren't there to score. They are there to pressure the backmen so the ball doesn't come out easily. Get with Nick's vision.

I'd rather put time into the attacking and dangerous player trying to teach him to chase eg Newchurch, than the defensive player trying to teach him to score.

By being dangerous and a goal scoring threat you naturally draw the defensive player closer to you so chasing is that little bit easier, ala Betts and Cameron.

I argue that's the complete difference between Cameron at Adelaide and Cameron at Brisbane.

Instead of being told you're role is just to chase and hold the ball in, he's told to attack and just use your weapons. By default the defenders can't leave him and when the ball gets turned over the defender is right next to him so he can then use his speed to more easily chase them down. He becomes a more effective overall player.

Instead the defenders don't give a s**t about Murphy, McHendry or Rowe and will run off them all day. We just hope one of them gets a high tackle and free kick.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Crouch’s trade value..
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Hard to see it changing either.. the game has moved away from slow, medium skilled high accumulator type midfielders.. they just dont do the damage to the opp. required in the current game..

Which is also Sam Mitchell's thinking on Tom Mitchell .....he just doesn't suit the new Hawks gameplan .....Nicks has always talked speed, speed, and more speed .....hard to see Crouch being a fit, if Hately suddenly breaks out in the same role

Hately tackles ....Crouch doesn't