Rumour 2022 Rumour Discussion Thread

[Scorpus]

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[Truck25]

LOL the last one was a joke. Bald-headed bloke = Andrew Jarman. Remember he was the one who said Clarkson to Crows was happening.
There's a difference between me posting a rumor and me having an opinion or making a joke.
Believe me or not, I really don't care. But if you look through all of my post history you will see I have been correct on many occasions... and when I have been "wrong" it's only because it can't be confirmed with proof.

• I stated Burgess to Crows as 100% done
• Crows very happy with Nicks and will be for a couple of years - July 21
• Van Berlo to Crows coaching panel - Sept 2019
• Dawson deal - everything I said was correct - club selection made, deal, final offer etc. I don't control when deals are accepted or paperwork lodged.
• Betts to Carlton - Sept 2019
• Ross Lyon spoken to by Crows - this was confirmed by Ross himself - news reported it "Ex-Fremantle coach Ross Lyon has revealed that he was approached to be the next Adelaide Crows coach after Don Pyke's sacking last season". Roo wanted him but Ross wasn't keen.

Hey fact is things change, so unless you are sitting at the desk behind the closed door you are never getting things 100%. End of the day you don't look like an attention seeker, so if you hear anything you are allowed to share, share it. It's why it is called a rumour thread not a fact thread.

 

[ftmch]

The only thing that not playing him does is lower his value in a trade situation. If he's best 22 and played weekly, his value is much higher than if he's languishing in the twos.

But that's my point - it doesn't. Clubs would know what his strengths and weaknesses are right now. THe fact that we as a developing side don't see a place for him in our 22 doesn't change the potential value he's going to provide another team, based on where they are at in the lifecycle and the skills gaps they may in their list profile.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Roo said last night that "we're only a couple of players away from being pretty good". No wonder we are where we are right now. Rebuild done, just need some cherries to top it off.

I'm hoping that "a couple" isn't 2 in this instance.

Everyone at the AFC have churned out this feel good stuff all year. Just days ago Nicks said of the state of the list "we're in a good position"

We need to find quality replacements for so many positions, way more than "a couple"

Delusional, that's the AFC

 

[Mutineer]

"Not having a crack" as you go through and dig up his every post and screenshot it to the thread? And then discount the stuff that he got right? Not sure why people desperately need to turn into internet detectives every time someone posts inside info. I remember when Metric System (?) was posting info that turned out to be spot on and people were calling him a troll and a Port supporter because it wasn't what they wanted to hear. The actual credible people end up getting chased off and we're left with nuffies like FAITH posting rubbish (Thilthorpe won't go in the top 10 )or aliases posting what they allegedly overheard at a cafe or from Beau Waters' mum.

Take it at face value - the BS artists always end up outing themselves in the long run. mitchyboy23 doesn't appear to be one of them.

You do realise The Metric System under his new user name has posted recently some Intel on Mattaes Phillipou?

 

[1990crow]

"Not having a crack" as you go through and dig up his every post and screenshot it to the thread? And then discount the stuff that he got right? Not sure why people desperately need to turn into internet detectives every time someone posts inside info. I remember when Metric System (?) was posting info that turned out to be spot on and people were calling him a troll and a Port supporter because it wasn't what they wanted to hear. The actual credible people end up getting chased off and we're left with nuffies like FAITH posting rubbish (Thilthorpe won't go in the top 10 )or aliases posting what they allegedly overheard at a cafe or from Beau Waters' mum.

Take it at face value - the BS artists always end up outing themselves in the long run. mitchyboy23 doesn't appear to be one of them.

Scrutinising the legitimacy of rumours is what this is all about.
I stand by my assessments (your claim that he got them right is incorrect).

 

[Crow till I die]

Everyone at the AFC have churned out this feel good stuff all year. Just days ago Nicks said of the state of the list "we're in a good position"

We need to find quality replacements for so many positions, way more than "a couple"

Delusional, that's the AFC

Devils advocate here and its just 1 possible scenario

What if we take one of the very high end mids in this draft that can come in straight away next year and become part of the rotation. Pedlar finally gets his body right over the off season and can come in and look to cement a spot. What about a Rankine or Hopper as a possible in?

All of a sudden the potential through the midfield has just been transformed from what we have been used to this year. If the younger midfield made up from mainly 1st round picks and may include Rachele coming through there more too can take the bit between their teeth to add to Berry who looks a 200 gamer in the making, Soligo and one or 2 others, we might find we are far more dynamic at the contest and that takes the strain off of the defense and may offer far greater opportunities for the forwards

What I am trying to say is if we can get the extra top enders who can use the ball well into the midfield, it might start to correct us all over the ground

 

[1990crow]

"not a crack"

Continues on to have more of a crack...

I don't think you understand the assessment.
Never did I say the rumours weren't true. Just that they are unverifiable, and cannot be proven.

 

[Crow till I die]

You do realise The Metric System under his new user name has posted recently some Intel on Mattaes Phillipou?

do tell!!

 

[Smoooothy]

Its a shitty look and another PR **** up by the club.

very unlike AFC to screw up PR

 

[NSolis]

Devils advocate here and its just 1 possible scenario

What if we take one of the very high end mids in this draft that can come in straight away next year and become part of the rotation. Pedlar finally gets his body right over the off season and can come in and look to cement a spot. What about a Rankine or Hopper as a possible in?

All of a sudden the potential through the midfield has just been transformed from what we have been used to this year. If the younger midfield made up from mainly 1st round picks and may include Rachele coming through there more too can take the bit between their teeth to add to Berry who looks a 200 gamer in the making, Soligo and one or 2 others, we might find we are far more dynamic at the contest and that takes the strain off of the defense and may offer far greater opportunities for the forwards

What I am trying to say is if we can get the extra top enders who can use the ball well into the midfield, it might start to correct us all over the ground

Yeah given that Roo is hardly going to go out there and say 'we are really bad and will be at the bottom for years, the rebuild has been a disaster', I don't think 'a couple of players from being pretty good' is that unreasonable for him to say. He also said in the same interview that 'the rebuild is definitely not over'.

If we did get a couple of good players this offseason and our better young players kick on we should be decently better next year. A couple of good players could mean Rankine and a good first round pick or whatever really, since it's operating in fantasy land. 'Pretty good' is also vague, could mean competitive in every match and winning a couple more games, could mean challenging for the eight, it's up to the listener.

 

[FR0GGY]

do tell!!

Post in thread '2022 AFL Draft Discussion'
List Mgmt. - 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

 

[Betts are off]

I don't think you understand the assessment.
Never did I say the rumours weren't true. Just that they are unverifiable, and cannot be proven.

1990crow: BigFooty Chief Rumour Verification Agent

Reporting for duty!

 

[LoBu]

Yeah - its an extremely weird thing to come out and say if he is contracted until the end of 2023.

It's another **** up on our PR team. The messaging is terrible.

A month ago Matt Crouch is required and when Nicks is quoted as saying "Matty is an important part of our squad". Then a month later Nicks meets with Crouch and tells him he is done.

yeah, but you missed the conversation in between told by Nicks when Nicks said 'you're dropped', and Crouch just said 'ok' and walked away - not cordial.

The relationship was imploding.

I reckon he's done the right thing, was probably asked the long term intentions, he said there is none. This is not the PR team, this is Crouch's management surely?

It's not like anybody here thought he was worth a second rounder.

 

[LoBu]

I think Berry and Soligo dominating on the weekend helped make up their mind on Crouch. Love seeing young players entrench their spot.

Totally agree, Berry just went past Crouch for ever.

 

[Greenfinger]

Not upset at all that he won't play again for the Crows at all.

What is the issue is that our coach came out less than a month ago saying he was a required player and "an important part of our squad" then it is leaked 4 weeks later that we told him we aren't going to renew his contract (which according to most reports finishes at the end of 2023).

Its a shitty look and another PR **** up by the club.

I posted this in the the nicks thread. Adds to the other examples recently where he just outright lies to please the audience and avoid scrutiny on decisions. This is not a good sign for building a winning culture

 

[Gtowncrow]

This sort of thing is what has deminished all credibility for Nicks, be says things with zero substance and the actions and outcomes are usually the complete opposite.

He's just a guy that coaches in catch phrases without a clue of how to make these thing happen.

If there's any actual progress it's usually by accident.

Regarding the Crouch comments, I would expect a coach in public to always support a player under pressure like Matt has been this year. Even if nobody believes the comments, a good coach will not publically execute a player.

Nicks had no choice. He'd be a lesser coach and man if he did otherwise.

 

[Geoffa32]

Or he's been told he won't get a game next year so he's better off seeking a trade now.

But he would still be contracted.


I am happy the decision has been made and unsure what club would take him.

The game has gone past the "slow accumulator" mid.

Isn't Hawthorn having similar issues with Tom Mitchell?

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[NSolis]

I don't really get what people wanted Nicks to say when asked about Crouch's future. It's like every player who is being interviewed after they have a dominant game talking about how the boys did really well today and we played to the plan put together by the coaching team and so on, it's standard media management. Nicks isn't going to go out there and shitcan a senior player in his team in public, he's going to say he's an important part of the club and his contributions are highly valued now and going forward, and then make a list management decision behind closed doors.

If you want to know what Nicks thinks about Crouch, well he dropped him and the club decided not to offer him a new contract. Whatever he says in the media is irrelevant.

 

[LoBu]

I don't really get what people wanted Nicks to say when asked about Crouch's future. It's like every player who is being interviewed after they have a dominant game talking about how the boys did really well today and we played to the plan put together by the coaching team and so on, it's standard media management. Nicks isn't going to go out there and shitcan a senior player in his team in public, he's going to say he's an important part of the club and his contributions are highly valued now and going forward, and then make a list management decision behind closed doors.

If you want to know what Nicks thinks about Crouch, well he dropped him and the club decided not to offer him a new contract. Whatever he says in the media is irrelevant.

Nicks has the balls to take this club to the next level.

Controversial statement I know.

Edit: To make it true he needs to get Walker, Sloane, Smith et al to accept they won't be part of the next premiership, we need the time to rebuild propertly.

 

[weekend at bernies]

He tried to get a trade last year and nobody wanted him, which is why Adelaide ended up giving him a 2 year deal on less money. why do we think somebody will now come chasing him....

 

[cmndstab]

Matt's attitude in this whole thing has been pretty piss poor. I can get being disappointed or frustrated, but we constantly hear how angry he is, how furious he is. How he can't believe this has happened to him, how he's been blindsided by it. Mate, it's elite team sport. You're not owed a spot, and you are only as good as your contribution to the team. If you don't fit in the side there's no point getting angry about it. You're not Leigh Matthews mate, you're a player who was once very good and is now just good, and you don't fit into our current structure or our future plans. You're not being dudded by being left out the side. Your presence in the side is just no longer a positive.

It would be one thing if we were flying on-field, but we've been a basket case for years now. Time to move on.

 

[Cap]

Matt's attitude in this whole thing has been pretty piss poor. I can get being disappointed or frustrated, but we constantly hear how angry he is, how furious he is. How he can't believe this has happened to him, how he's been blindsided by it. Mate, it's elite team sport. You're not owed a spot, and you are only as good as your contribution to the team. If you don't fit in the side there's no point getting angry about it. You're not Leigh Matthews mate, you're a player who was once very good and is now just good, and you don't fit into our current structure or our future plans. You're not being dudded by being left out the side. You presence in the side is just no longer a positive.

It would be one thing if we were flying on-field, but we've been a basket case for years now. Time to move on.

It's a continuation of senior players putting themselves in front of the club/team.

An issue we've seen from the AFC for a decade.

 

[cmndstab]

It's a continuation of senior players putting themselves in front of the club/team.

An issue we've seen from the AFC for a decade.

I've always been a bit skeptical of that theory. A player doing what they can to be selected ahead of a younger player, I don't really have a problem with that. Hell, a player expecting to be selected ahead of a younger player, again, I don't have a problem with it as long as the tail isn't wagging the dog and the team selection panel is making the right decisions (the latter is where my ire is usually directed). Elite players should be a bit arrogant, should expect to make it in the side, even if they're getting old, or are beat up, or out of form, or whatever.

But being actively angry at the club because you're not getting a game? It really feels like Matt believes he is owed matches as long as he can keep getting 30 touches, and that somehow the club is doing him dirty by not playing him. Like somehow they're violating their contract with him. That's a shitty attitude to have, and it seems like his continued presence at the club is a net negative even before his salary and list spot is taken into account.

 

[jackster83]

It's a continuation of senior players putting themselves in front of the club/team.

An issue we've seen from the AFC for a decade.

The irony being we only were able to draft him because we booted out a (contracted), B&F winning senior player.

 

[Cap]

The irony being we only were able to draft him because we booted out a (contracted), B&F winning senior player.

Who didn't want to leave and from memory our reasoning was pretty weak?

Trying to recall which admin that was under