News Izak Rankine, Gold coast holding Rankine to Ransom- #FreeIzak

[Scorpus]

Mod note:

Opposition posters making outlandish trade suggestions to bait the Crows board will be considered trolls and dealt with in the usual manner

No one wants a repeat of the Gibbs thread

 

[GameofSloanes]

I’d say they view Rachele as a mid moving forward.. more than Rankine anyway..

I’ve said it before..

I hope (if we do get Rankine) our forward line next year looks like this..

Rankine/Rachele Tex Newchurch
Mcadam Fog TT

So Rankine and Rachele share a forward spot. When one of them is forward the other is in the midfield.. with Rachele actually spending more time in the Midfield.

Rachele needs to be in the middle.

That forward line has speed, x-factor, sublime skills, goal sense and a good mix of talls, very talls, mediums and smalls.. Newchurch plays a bit taller than he actually is IMO.. and I’d love to see him and rankine working together running around the feet of tex, fog and TT..

Problem is that Keays and Sloane will both still be in the 22 (not necessarily because they should be either). If that's our forward line you know where they are......

 

[GameofSloanes]

Maybe we can get him cheaper if we agree to take Atkins back from them.

Rather they keep them both then

 

[Mr_Moogle]

The kid can play and looks a much better prospect that most of our recent 1st Rounder midfield spuds.

Ogilvie is the recruitment version of a forward who can kick a checkside on a tight angle but misses the easy one from 30m directly in front.

 

[relapse]

It's funny seeing the general consensus opinion on the board gradually move from 'we must get Rankine at all costs' to 'we shouldn't spend our first on a forward pocket'. Ready for massive meltdowns when we do get him, as you'd think it would inevitably cost a first. Best case scenario would be 2023 first.

In the lead up to the 2018 draft people were wanting us to sell the farm to get a draft pick high enough to get him, now we have the chance to actually get him and people now expect to get him for unders.

It's an interesting shift in thinking

He's going to cost us a first round pick as you said preferably if we can come up with a deal for our 2023 1st, then that's most probably the best outcome.

 

[Bearded Clam]

You can have whatever fwd line you want, when our mids cant hit you on the lead and generally only bomb it in you ain't scoring.

thats why we need to get Rachele in there and up to speed ASAP.

we also need to get Taylor through a strong preseason and inject him into the mix. he’s looking the goods in the sanfl.

and we need to get all the spuds that can’t kick to save themsleves like murphy, mchenry, keays out of the 22 for good.

and yes we need another elite mid.. but we need them now. it takes a good 4 years to fully develop a midfielder before they actually start dominating.. look at youre Walsh’s, Rozee’s etc.. taken in the 2018 draft.. finally hitting their straps now.

if anyone thinks a mid we take (if we managed to keep pick 5) with our first this year will be dominating from R1 next season then they’re tripping.

 

[WeeBlake]

In the lead up to the 2018 draft people were wanting us to sell the farm to get a draft pick high enough to get him.

Now we have the chance to actually get him and people now expect to get him for unders.

I think ppl just disagree about his value

 

[Mr_Moogle]

and yes we need another elite mid.. but we need them now. it takes a good 4 years to fully develop a midfielder before they actually start dominating.. look at youre Walsh’s, Rozee’s etc.. taken in the 2018 draft.. finally hitting their straps now.

I'd argue Walsh was pretty handy as soon as he got drafted. One who looked like a number one pick from the get go.

 

[relapse]

I think ppl just disagree about his value

My issue is the change in mindset

Back in 2018 people were wanting the club to sell the farm (by trading multiple first round picks and players) to get him, now suddenly people expect him for the equivalent of a 2nd round pick.

His worth in my opinion is a pick in the 5-10 vicinity, anyone who thinks we're going to end up with a bargain are kidding themselves.

 

[George CantStandYa]

God you're a sad sack.

Or maybe you’re not very funny….and to be fair you post some pretty mind numbing stuff so the trade proposal wasn’t far off your normal posting

 

[Bearded Clam]

Problem is that Keays and Sloane will both still be in the 22 (not necessarily because they should be either). If that's our forward line you know where they are......

well if thats the case, and I’m not doubting that youre correct at all, then Nicksy will be gone by the MSD..

if they prioritise a cooked sloane and a garbage keays over Rachele, Rankine, taylor, soligo, berry, shoey, newchurch, Pedlar, cook, nankervis etc in that midfield/mid-forward role.. then Nicks deserves to lose his job and I will be quite happy to see the back of him.

But I reacon in those last few games of the year the penny has started to drop that guys like keays aren’t the answer moving forward and they would definitely have strong doubts about Sloane ever being able to return to anywhere near his best.

Hopefully Nicksy is smart enough to realise its ultimately his head that will roll first if come R10 next year the crows are 2w/8l and still backing in the senior spuds.

 

[Cap]

So has Rankine only played as a small forward ?

 

[Danger_zone]

So has Rankine only played as a small forward ?

I believe he killed it as midfielder in the U18s (Mutineer please confirm!).

 

[craig crowing]

I’ve always watched young Izak pretty close since junior days. I think calling him a bit flashy and spasmodic was probably pretty fair early days.

I think what we saw this year was penny finally drop about what it takes to have a career in this caper. Not only did he kick 29 but he gave out another 18. That’s top 10 in the league. He got coach votes in 8 games out of his 18.

What that tells me is you’ve now got a kid who’s working hard, setting up him team mates and doing much more than kicking a few flashy goals. I think the crows will get him at just the right time.

Yes I hope you are correct regarding Izak turning the corner in relation to input in a game and life outside the game as I also my feedback from someone know well who son was in that championship winning SA U18 team that although Izac starred especially in finals rated him well behind least 5 other players in team due to output and effort and hints of off field settlement .
Also yes Rags I believe Taylor will be great player for us wasn't about the trade I was just mentioning we didn't have a third .
As it sounds like we will probably get Isaz I like all others hope he becomes a star.

 

[LeftyLuke]

well if thats the case, and I’m not doubting that youre correct at all, then Nicksy will be gone by the MSD..

if they prioritise a cooked sloane and a garbage keays over Rachele, Rankine, taylor, soligo, berry, shoey, newchurch, Pedlar, cook, nankervis etc in that midfield/mid-forward role.. then Nicks deserves to lose his job and I will be quite happy to see the back of him.

But I reacon in those last few games of the year the penny has started to drop that guys like keays aren’t the answer moving forward and they would definitely have strong doubts about Sloane ever being able to return to anywhere near his best.

Hopefully Nicksy is smart enough to realise its ultimately his head that will roll first if come R10 next year the crows are 2w/8l and still backing in the senior spuds.

I think Nick's will lose his job even if he prioritises youth which I think he will. The issue is what's the quality of coaches out there? I wonder if Goodwin may be enticed to come back to the club? I can't think of too many decent coaches out there.

 

[Scorpus]

In the lead up to the 2018 draft people were wanting us to sell the farm to get a draft pick high enough to get him, now we have the chance to actually get him and people now expect to get him for unders.

It's an interesting shift in thinking

He's going to cost us a first round pick as you said preferably if we can come up with a deal for our 2023 1st, then that's most probably the best outcome.

Because he hasn't lived up to his draft expectations. His value has gone down since he was drafted and others taken around him have increased in value

 

[kirky]

Scenario 1: Future 2nd & Best 22 Player for Rankine.
Scenario 2: Future 1st for Rankine & Pick in 30's.
Scenario 3: Pick 5 & Future 1st for Rankine, Pick 7 & Pick in 30's.

I think Gold Coast would want a KPP in the Draft (Busslinger or Cadman) and/or Future picks. I expect they'll trade their picks 2nd Round and below for Future picks and/or for Brisbane's 1st Rounder. I think they'd also happily take experienced players that would improve their best 22.

Crows clearly want Rankine. They should be equally desperate for top end midfield potential, particularly big bodied midfield potential. Either their own pick 5 or Gold Coast's pick 7 in this years draft probably gives them a chance to tick this box.

It would be disappointing if we didn't land Rankine and also didn't have a top 10 pick in this years draft (unless we somehow get JHF).

I’m happy with Scenario 3.

 

[spenze]

I’m happy with Scenario 3.

Scenario 1 looks far more appealing.

To be honest, scenario 3 would be a disaster, if we haven't learned from trading down 2 picks in a draft from last time then I just don't know. This years pick should be off the table, next years I am more comfortable, we have a good shot at getting an elite mid this year, we should not put ourselves 2 picks further back where our club starts thinking "KPD stocks a bit light"

 

[Jeffcrowe]

So has Rankine only played as a small forward ?

He’s spent some time on the wing this year …. He played v well against the swans when GC beat them at SCG on the wing all game

He can definitely also play midfield and has as a junior , long term I see him >50% midfield

I like bearded clams thoughts re Rachele > Rankine both playing midfield and being interchangeable . Rachele needs to get v fit , Rankine is already looking v fit but Burgo will help go next level

 

[kirky]

My issue is the change in mindset

Back in 2018 people were wanting the club to sell the farm (by trading multiple first round picks and players) to get him, now suddenly people expect him for the equivalent of a 2nd round pick.

His worth in my opinion is a pick in the 5-10 vicinity, anyone who thinks we're going to end up with a bargain are kidding themselves.

If only we had a time machine then what happened at the 2018 Draft never occurred and we traded up to whatever we had to.

 

[relapse]

Because he hasn't lived up to his draft expectations. His value has gone down since he was drafted and others taken around him have increased in value

He missed the first 18 months of his career through injury so he's only played about 2 1/2 seasons of football so far. At the moment when you compare him to some of the guys who have now played four seasons, then yes his resume doesn't quite yet stack up.

However his improvement this season was clear (29 goals from 18 matches) and he's well on his way to becoming a 50+ goal a season forward. He's also shown those flashes of brilliance that very few players possess.

He's still every bit of the player that we were all tripping overselves to grab in the 2018 draft.

 

[kirky]

Scenario 1 looks far more appealing.

To be honest, scenario 3 would be a disaster, if we haven't learned from trading down 2 picks in a draft from last time then I just don't know. This years pick should be off the table, next years I am more comfortable, we have a good shot at getting an elite mid this year, we should not put ourselves 2 picks further back where our club starts thinking "KPD stocks a bit light"

They ain’t going at all for Scenario 1 and what is the point in giving up a best 22 player?

We need to keep all our best players. Get rid of the .

 

[Danger in Texas]

He missed the first 18 months of his career through injury so he's only played about 2 1/2 seasons of football so far. At the moment when you compare him to some of the guys who have now played four seasons, then yes his resume doesn't quite yet stack up.

However his improvement this season was clear (29 goals from 18 matches) and he's well on his way to becoming a 50+ goal a season forward. He's also shown those flashes of brilliance that very few players possess.

He's still the same player that we were all tripping overselves to grab in the 2018 draft.

This is kinda rare these days, I’d be very happy with 35 to 40+ a season from a Rankine type - someone who provides value further up the field, as well as (probably most importantly) around goal

If we can get 40+ from three guys a season, and about 30 from another (between Rachele/Rankine/Fog/RT), we’ll be doing well

 

[Mutineer]

I believe he killed it as midfielder in the U18s (Mutineer please confirm!).

Played some on ball but mostly forward at both the 2017 and 2018 Nationals and was a big reason why SA won the title in 2018.
I think we're likely bringing in Izak to play the goal kicking pressure small forward more so than to play midfield however.
At least I hope that's our plan, don't need him to get gassed chasing possessions on ball, we need him to apply the much needed pressure and his explosiveness to mesmerise Oppo defenders and rattle the scoreboard big time when Fog, Tex, Lachie and the Berg bring the ball to ground. Wouldn't be spending too much time in the midfield if I was the coach, Rachele is the one who I think moves into the midfield when he has the tank.

 

[DaKids]

He missed the first 18 months of his career through injury so he's only played about 2 1/2 seasons of football so far. At the moment when you compare him to some of the guys who have now played four seasons, then yes his resume doesn't quite yet stack up.

However his improvement this season was clear (29 goals from 18 matches) and he's well on his way to becoming a 50+ goal a season forward. He's also shown those flashes of brilliance that very few players possess.

He's still every bit of the player that we were all tripping overselves to grab in the 2018 draft.

If anything it’s the other one who’s value has reduced.

4 years down the track and still playing fringe positions and not really driving his team forward.

 

[Scorpus]

He missed the first 18 months of his career through injury so he's only played about 2 1/2 seasons of football so far. At the moment when you compare him to some of the guys who have now played four seasons, then yes his resume doesn't quite yet stack up.

However his improvement this season was clear (29 goals from 18 matches) and he's well on his way to becoming a 50+ goal a season forward. He's also shown those flashes of brilliance that very few players possess.

He's still every bit of the player that we were all tripping overselves to grab in the 2018 draft.

I don't think he is, he was being touted here as one of the best and most dynamic players of all time and a contender for pick 1

He is tracking to be a good small forward which IMO is below what people thought he would be pre-draft