Coach Who should be our next coach?

[Lore]

Spoiler: Timeline and reported candidates

15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten

Ben Rutten

Age

42

Ht

190cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.4

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.0

3star

sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney

Josh Mahoney

Age

48

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

(GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis

Jordan Lewis

Age

39

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

310.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

5star

7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon

Dean Solomon

Age

45

Ht

189cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

17.6

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.8

5star

, Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

49

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

, Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

48

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa

Daniel Giansiracusa

Age

43

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.6

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

48

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella

Blake Caracella

Age

48

Ht

186cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.6

3star

will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

49

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9

 

[madrigal]

I mean that psychology is based on neuroscience

No, psychology is based on observation of behaviour and although it may incorporate modern objective methods it is not based on them.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

I mean that psychology is based on neuroscience and follows the scientific method to determine the best course of treatment, like any other health science.

A qualified psychologist can tell you all about the parts of the brain and the chemicals involved in particular conditions if you want to know more about it, and the clinical trials that support a particular course of action in treating it.

It is categorically untrue to describe it as “not science”.

Agree with this mostly and I don't won't to derail the thread, but in many cases psychology is on shaky methodological ground.

 

[madrigal]

Agree with this mostly and I don't won't to derail the thread, but in many cases psychology is on shaky methodological ground.

Ignoring the methodological issues, clinical psychology is often more like medicine which a lot of people consider more an art more than a Science, especially at the Clinician / patient interface when dealing with treatment.

 

[Here_we_come]

Why Yze? How’s his background any different to Rutten?

It’s a fair question and to be honest I don’t have a good answer. To be fair I think it was premature to sack rutten as there are clearly other issues at the club which meant he never really got a good shot at it.

I like Lyon, I voted for him in the poll. But the more I think about it and look at the premiership teams from the last 10-15 years, Not many were with recycled coaches, other than perhaps malthouse at collingwood. But for every malthouse at collingwood there seems to be more Carlton versions of him.

I’d still be happy with Lyon but still wouldn’t be disappointed with someone fresh.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Why Yze? How’s his background any different to Rutten?

Apart from the fact that his appointment would be the product of an actual process, a longer and more varied CV than Rutten's doesn't hurt either.

Plus, he has first hand experience of what an Essendon premiership team should look like. I would have thought that someone who was on the ground on 02/09/00 taking us to our next flag would have great romantic appeal, albeit ignoring a few minor details such as which team he was playing for.

And as for Malthouse at Carlton, I believe that's going to be hard to replace since the motivation was Zissou-esque:

 

[Keystone agony]

Interesting Nick Riewoldt was asked to go on the panel, wouldve had a heavy lean towards Lyon im sure

 

[Call Me Cake]

There's one thing that I think Lyon does well, he has a knack for seeing a GF worthy side in teams. So if he actually did see something in us as worthy to coach, I'd take that as a good sign. As for actually winning one... well you could wager the losses means he's due for it. Third time lucky?

But I'd say he's not the only option, and any coach who has a big enough burning desire to coach a flag would put up with any process in order to get to the ultimate goal. So if he's being a diva, look past. Every person must go through the same process, no exceptions.

 

[madrigal]

Interesting Nick Riewoldt was asked to go on the panel, wouldve had a heavy lean towards Lyon im sure

And an equal lean against Hird. Just the kind of bias you want.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

He also has over 10 years experience in two different successful systems (Hawks and Demons), which might tick a box or two for some people. Rutten only had 5 years behind him, all at Richmond, when he was appointed at the end of 2019 (even though he waited 12 months after that to officially take the title).

Just further to that Rutten effectively had 9 years of coaching two as lone HC and other as main strategist. That stacks up to more than Yze’s 10 years in regards to experience. Minimal difference. Plus added bones that Rutten knows the players.

 

[citizen-erased]

Robbo invited to interview Bomber, and then Hird, at the 150th dinner.

consider the coaching search process completed....but who will it be?
suspense is killing me.

 

[Foxx]

Just about every top coach in the modern era has looked to be tough but fair.

Clarkson
Hardwick
Mathews
Beverage
This Vossy

Is there one out there that fits that mould?

 

[justlookingaround]

Just about every top coach in the modern era has looked to be tough but fair.

Clarkson
Hardwick
Mathews
Beverage
This Vossy

Is there one out there that fits that mould?

Honestly I think the thing that very successful coaches usually have in common is that they're very weird operators - not easily explainable or pigeon holed at least. The Alastair Clarksons, Bill Bellichicks, Phil Jacksons of the world - they all have some overlapping traits in the way of eccentricity, explosive temper, as well as strategic brilliance and skills in navigating people. Ideally you've got people around you the soften the edges, or vice versa, Chris Fagan at Hawthorn gets mentioned in that regard a lot.

I remember reading a while back there was a study in profiling successful coaches - the ideal candidate had high emotional intelligence - but I think that also demonstrates one of the many contradictions of character that go into a job like coaching - because you've gotta be emotionally in tune with people, but you've also got to be ruthless in dealing with them. I guess part of it is being able to make difficult decisions.

Really I think to be a good coach you need so many different abilities - you've gotta be a teacher, a motivator, a diplomat, a larrikin, a hardarse, an administrator, a tactician, a manager, you've gotta have a massive amount of self assurance while also being able to realise when you've got something wrong... and so on so on so on.
By all accounts, being a pro coach is an all consuming job, so it's not really surprising that all the good ones are nuts.

 

[BomberFan355]

Just about every top coach in the modern era has looked to be tough but fair.

Clarkson
Hardwick
Mathews
Beverage
This Vossy

Is there one out there that fits that mould?

Ross Lyon.

 

[BomberManU]

Apparently some senior players want Lyon. As usual, the reporting of this was ambiguous - couldn't work out if the players actually named Lyon, or that they wanted a senior coach who would instill discipline etc, etc, and the media went with 'they must want Ross Lyon'

 

[Lore]

Apparently some senior players want Lyon. As usual, the reporting of this was ambiguous - couldn't work out if the players actually named Lyon, or that they wanted a senior coach who would instill discipline etc, etc, and the media went with 'they must want Ross Lyon'

Wouldn't read anything into it unless it's attributed. The players are all on break and mostly in Spain, I doubt they're actively seeking out a journo to talk about work.

The players have apparently been surveyed before they went away for the off-season so they've had their say, the selection committee and the board are aware of their perspectives on things.

 

[doug85]

Apparently some senior players want Lyon. As usual, the reporting of this was ambiguous - couldn't work out if the players actually named Lyon, or that they wanted a senior coach who would instill discipline etc, etc, and the media went with 'they must want Ross Lyon'

Where was this reported?

 

[eth-dog]

Where was this reported?

Sam Edmund tweeted it so grain of salt and all that

 

[thaibomber]

Just about every top coach in the modern era has looked to be tough but fair.

Clarkson
Hardwick
Mathews
Beverage
This Vossy

Is there one out there that fits that mould?

We don't want anyone's head nailed to the floor though... bad look.

 

[BomberManU]

Where was this reported?

SEN, this morning.

 

[faible]

Where was this reported?

Sam Edmund tweeted it so grain of salt and all that

SEN, this morning.

Now with FoxFooty article!

‘That’s who they want’: Senior Bombers reportedly keen on Lyon as first steps of coaching search emerge

‘That’s who they want’: Senior Bombers reportedly keen on Lyon as first steps of coaching search emerge

www.foxsports.com.au

Still based on Sam Edmund's tweet, but they've managed to write many words from it.

 

[jaa]

When do we think they'll finish the coaching search?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

When do we think they'll finish the coaching search?

I reckon late Sept

 

[Lore]

When do we think they'll finish the coaching search?

XC originally said end of September (which would allow them to introduce the new coach at the Crichton, and ahead of trade period) but Mahoney said something that implied 6 weeks and media speculation has 6-8 weeks.

 

[citizen-erased]

Wouldn't read anything into it unless it's attributed. The players are all on break and mostly in Spain, I doubt they're actively seeking out a journo to talk about work.

The players have apparently been surveyed before they went away for the off-season so they've had their say, the selection committee and the board are aware of their perspectives on things.

clever wording

reports they want a senior hand to take the bull by the horns
Lyon fits that description

1+1=C stuff really.
ahh, I miss this time of year sometimes. Only thing less professional than the running of our club.

 

[citizen-erased]

XC originally said end of September (which would allow them to introduce the new coach at the Crichton, and ahead of trade period) but Mahoney said something that implied 6 weeks and media speculation has 6-8 weeks.

also, was starting point post-board coup?

so we'd be in week 2 now. so end of Sept at the earliest. suspect whoever it is will be in place prior to trade period to green light any moves we have lined up.