Review Cats defeat gallant Pies by 6 points to get into another PF

Mad_Hatter · Sep 4, 2022

cats_09 said:
surely there can't be much complaining about the umpires after getting this call to reverse a free kick

No idea what's sensitive about it - it's footage from the game

Probably too offensive for tugger supporters since they are the ones offended the most.

thecatattack · Sep 4, 2022

catpremier 07 said:
I don't think Collingwood people understand that a player needs to have prior opportunity to be called htb

Every single tackle they yelled ball.

My favourite was when Rohan had a hacked kick at goal and it went across the face and OOB and the crowd yelled for deliberate and booed when it wasn't.

barmy44 · Sep 4, 2022

The day after, I think Collingwood's effort and intent would have beaten most sides last night more often than not.

And could have easily beaten us.

The "luck" in a close one fell our way, but you still have to be good enough to absorb and get to the point where the cards can fall your way.

Speaking of cards - most recent seasons, we would have folded like a deck of them under that heat.

We adapted and stayed with them and got ahead at the siren.

I maintain Collingwood were a fortunate top 4 team this season - they aren't close game magicians. They're a good, average side this year. It's weird seeing them beat Melbourne and run us so close twice they could have won both... but they also should have probably lost to North, Adelaide, Essendon and Carlton.

But they have a lot of talent and they play with a lot of intent. They're on the way up.

And they were ON yesterday. We really weren't.

They had the the majority of the 10 best players.

And yeah, I think they beat most teams yesterday.

We were fortunate, but good enough to be there to take advantage of that fortune. And that was playing what I thought was well below our best. Fantastic signs, despite it not being our best night overall. Shows the value of the lower end of a 22,.and ours have played their part all year.

Only two wins can do it from here, and any team can do anything on the day. Will be incredibly difficult to be the last team standing, and there's still 5 other dangerous teams who could be that last one standing.

STPer18 · Sep 4, 2022

He basically stopped before he walked into him. That's it, I'm calling it, we were stiffed by the umps all night.

geelong_crazy26 · Sep 4, 2022

having watched the last quarter alot now a few things stood out to me as the difference that got us over the line.

1. they tired- it is very hard to sustain that level of manic intensity for four quarters that collingwood played with. They tired to an extent which allowed us a bit more flow during the quarter, which resulted in us getting them out the backdoor a few times for goals.

2. we managed to get a handpass out during a chain of tackles- instead of the ball being locked up for a bounce, we adapted and started getting a handpass out or knocking the ball on getting momentum on the play, which allowed us a few times to get the ball flowing forward with more potency.

3. some individuals got their games flowing a bit better - Dekoning was massive in that last quarter on replay, involved heavily and did not get beaten once. stengle rohan close our champion group of medium/smalls really started to cause problems forward of centre once a bit more flow came into the game.

geelong_crazy26 · Sep 4, 2022

barmy44 said:
The day after, I think Collingwood's effort and intent would have beaten most sides last night more often than not.

And could have easily beaten us.

The "luck" in a close one fell our way, but you still have to be good enough to absorb and get to the point where the cards can fall your way.

Speaking of cards - most recent seasons, we would have folded like a deck of them under that heat.

We adapted and stayed with them and got ahead at the siren.

I maintain Collingwood were a fortunate top 4 team this season - they aren't close game magicians. They're a good, average side this year. It's weird seeing them beat Melbourne and run us so close twice they could have won both... but they also should have probably lost to North, Adelaide, Essendon and Carlton.

But they have a lot of talent and they play with a lot of intent. They're on the way up.

And they were ON yesterday. We really weren't.

They had the the majority of the 10 best players.

And yeah, I think they beat most teams yesterday.

We were fortunate, but good enough to be there to take advantage of that fortune. And that was playing what I thought was well below our best. Fantastic signs, despite it not being our best night overall. Shows the value of the lower end of a 22,.and ours have played their part all year.

Only two wins can do it from here, and any team can do anything on the day. Will be incredibly difficult to be the last team standing, and there's still 5 other dangerous teams who could be that last one standing.

would have easily beaten anyone in the AFL including melbourne and sydney last night, lets not pretend it wouldnt have. That game was the most pressure filled one we have witnessed probably all season.

Pollywaffle · Sep 4, 2022

is that a picture from collingwood’s closed training session?

Tony Barber · Sep 4, 2022

I think people are getting carried away with Stanley not getting back on the ground.

With 10 minutes to go we were down to one interchange rotation left.

Think of the issues if we had an injury or even a simple blood rule.

We would have been done. Smart coaching.

geelong_crazy26 · Sep 4, 2022

Tony Barber said:
I think people are getting carried away with Stanley not getting back on the ground.

With 10 minutes to go we were down to one interchange rotation left.

Think of the issues if we had an injury or even a simple blood rule.

We would have been done. Smart coaching.

what does actually happen if you run out of interchanges and have already used the sub, then you get an injury?? surely there is an exception stating you have to allow an interchange as that is a serious OHS issue

geelong_crazy26 · Sep 4, 2022

as horrible as it sounds to kolo, if that is the only collateral damage from the final, then i can easily live with that.... and will be just hoping for brisbane and melbourne to bash the crap out of each other.

cats_09 · Sep 4, 2022

1. Role players are worth gold

Tom Atkins would be paid $300,000 (guessing) and Jordan De Goey is chasing a new deal worth close to $900,000, yet these two players supply for their team what many can’t – at far different prices. De Goey is the game-changer with his skill, and when he kicked the go-ahead goal late in the final quarter, in that moment he had all of Collingwood in the palm of his hand. He probably still does, and a contract offer will be in his hands as soon as the season is over. Atkins is a different beast. He shapes the game by sheer will. It was a bruising game and you will need to watch it again to fully appreciate the contest and the grunt work which Atkins supplies. His contribution to the game was equal to that of De Goey, so why wouldn’t he also get a pay rise? He’s contracted until the end of 2023, although it wouldn’t surprise if the Cats rolled his contract over to reward him for a remarkable second half this season.

Tom Atkins v Jordan De Goey

2

Jordan De Goey

Age
29

Ht

188cm

Wt
93kg

Pos.
Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D
16.7

4

K
10.0

4

HB
6.7

4

M
3.9

4

T
3.1

5

CL
2.3

4

D
15.8

4

K
9.7

4

HB
6.2

4

M
2.8

3

T
1.7

3

CL
2.3

4

D
11.6

3

K
6.2

3

HB
5.4

4

M
1.4

2

T
4.8

5

CL
2.6

5

	Tom Atkins	Jordan De Goey
Disposals	23	26
Contested possessions	16	12
Groundball gets	14	9
Clearances	8	8
Tackles	9	9

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-the-first-week-of-finals/news-story/b90f0cb5e436c348ca6034f4f82c225b

geelong_crazy26 · Sep 4, 2022

thecatattack said:
Every single tackle they yelled ball.

My favourite was when Rohan had a hacked kick at goal and it went across the face and OOB and the crowd yelled for deliberate and booed when it wasn't.

Surely your taking the piss?? They didn’t right?

you pick one · Sep 4, 2022

geelong_crazy26 said:
would have easily beaten anyone in the AFL including melbourne and sydney last night, lets not pretend it wouldnt have. That game was the most pressure filled one we have witnessed probably all season.

Not often are you privileged to see two sides bring that much pressure at the same time for 4 quarters,part of the reason IMO that the big blokes for both sides were down on possessions around the ground.

geelong_crazy26 · Sep 4, 2022

cats_09 said:
1. Role players are worth gold

Tom Atkins would be paid $300,000 (guessing) and Jordan De Goey is chasing a new deal worth close to $900,000, yet these two players supply for their team what many can’t – at far different prices. De Goey is the game-changer with his skill, and when he kicked the go-ahead goal late in the final quarter, in that moment he had all of Collingwood in the palm of his hand. He probably still does, and a contract offer will be in his hands as soon as the season is over. Atkins is a different beast. He shapes the game by sheer will. It was a bruising game and you will need to watch it again to fully appreciate the contest and the grunt work which Atkins supplies. His contribution to the game was equal to that of De Goey, so why wouldn’t he also get a pay rise? He’s contracted until the end of 2023, although it wouldn’t surprise if the Cats rolled his contract over to reward him for a remarkable second half this season.

Tom Atkins v Jordan De Goey

Tom Atkins Jordan De Goey
Disposals 23 26
Contested possessions 16 12
Groundball gets 14 9
Clearances 8 8
Tackles 9 9

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-the-first-week-of-finals/news-story/b90f0cb5e436c348ca6034f4f82c225b

Is Atkins a role player or just a top midfielder these days?

barmy44 · Sep 4, 2022

geelong_crazy26 said:
would have easily beaten anyone in the AFL including melbourne and sydney last night, lets not pretend it wouldnt have. That game was the most pressure filled one we have witnessed probably all season.

Well yeah, that was kind of exactly what I said.

But it isn't that simple. Sydney's performance against Melbourne possibly beat Collingwood’s. Melbourne at their best could as well. A game of football isn't static. There are teams in the AFL capable of answering that pressure Collingwood brought. On any day, they may or they may not.

We did, and we did it not playing at our best.

I guess I was more making the point that you can be a "5 goal better team" than someone else, but that doesn't mean you will or should always best them by 5 goals.

That's just averages across a season. Every game is dynamic, and you have to beat what your opponent brings. The bottom team can beat the top team on their day.

And yesterday was Collingwood’s day. They were better than us, I thought... but we won. Great to see.

I think we (speaking generally) can assess the season average of two sides and assume the game will or should play out accordingly margin wise... and if it doesn't, something has gone wrong or we haven't "turned up" properly.

And yes, I think how they played they would have beaten most opponents.

Sydney and Collingwood probably the two best performers from week 1, in terms of hitting close to peak performance they're capable of.

Yet here we are. I think we will be better for yesterdays game.

cats_09 · Sep 4, 2022

geelong_crazy26 said:
what does actually happen if you run out of interchanges and have already used the sub, then you get an injury?? surely there is an exception stating you have to allow an interchange as that is a serious OHS issue

12.9 Interchange
(c) Interchange Cap

(i) Unless otherwise outlined in these Regulations, a Club must not exceed the Interchange Cap for each Pre-Season, Premiership Season and Finals Series Match.

(iii) The following events will not be included in the Interchange Cap:

(A) when a Player leaves the Playing Surface for a Head Injury Assessment;

(B) when an Umpire requests that a player exit the Playing Surface under the Blood Rule;

(C) when a Player exits the Playing Surface voluntarily due to active bleeding, provided the Club Medical Officer advises the AFL Interchange Official as soon as reasonably practicable and the Interchange Official has sighted the Player with the active bleeding;

(D) when a Player is replacing a Player removed from the Playing Surface pursuant to the Stretcher Rule;

(E) when an injured Player leaves the Playing Surface for a Medical Assessment;

(F) when the Medical Substitute Player replaces an Injured Player in accordance with Regulation 12.5; and

(G) other forced Interchanges as a result of Players being ordered from the Playing Surface pursuant to AFL Rules and or Regulations.

(v) Where there is a tie in a Finals Series Match and Additional Time is being played, an Interchange Cap will reset to zero with each Club having a new Interchange Cap of fifteen (15) for the total of both periods of Additional Time.

(vi) Subject to Regulation 12.9(c)(iii), once the Interchange Cap has been met no additional Interchanges may be made unless the Player has exited the Playing Surface due to:

(A) Head Injury Assessment;

(B) Blood Rule,

(C) Stretcher Rule; and

(D) Medical Assessment,

provided that the Player who exits the Playing Surface under any of these conditions will not be permitted to return to the Playing Surface for 20 minutes.

(vii) A Player who is requested by an Umpire to exit the Playing Surface under the Blood Rule when the Interchange Cap has been reached will be permitted to Interchange with any Player and return to the Playing Surface, if a Club Medical Officer or Club Interchange Steward first notifies the AFL Interchange Official.

(viii) On the first working day following the Match, the Club Medical Officer must lodge with the AFL a written explanation relating to any Interchange made in excess of the Interchange Cap.

(ix) A Medical Report in Schedule 1 Form 31 is required for all Stretcher Rule and Medical Assessment Interchanges (in the case of a Head Injury Assessment, a Head Injury Assessment form (in the form prescribed by the AFL from time to time) and Standard Concussion Assessment Tool (SCAT) form are also required).

Page 46, https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do...ed-AFL-Regulations-effective-2-March-2022.pdf

Jumping Jack · Sep 4, 2022

There’s only three things certain in life. Death - Taxes - And a Rhys Stanley pile on from Cats fans.

By champion data stats alone, Stanley ranked same as Blicavs and ahead of Mason Cox. And if we take the coaches “horses for courses” theory on selection, he has to play against Melb - assuming that’s our prelim opponent. Last time we played Melb he did well on Gawn. Gawn had 35 hitouts but didn’t have a big impact on the game - 14 touches Vs Stanley 13.

Ceglar is “like for like” with Gawn but Gawn does it far better. The benefit of Stanley / Blicavs against Melb is that it makes Gawn / Jackson accountable to “run with” our rucks who cover the ground better. Ceglar might compete ok at hitouts but he’ll blow up trying to chase Gawn and Jackson around.

Not Stanley’s best last night but he had a few mates wearing blue and white. Reckon he’ll get a boot up the backside but will play. Particularly if he’s got the message that he performs or gets dropped for a GF (if we win).

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manicpie · Sep 4, 2022

geelong_crazy26 said:
Is Atkins a role player or just a top midfielder these days?

I thought atkins helped change the game in the second half, we'll take him off your hands

Tony Barber · Sep 4, 2022

geelong_crazy26 said:
what does actually happen if you run out of interchanges and have already used the sub, then you get an injury?? surely there is an exception stating you have to allow an interchange as that is a serious OHS issue

No idea.
But it’s not a OH&S issue.
You can play with 17

Willo_ · Sep 4, 2022

Sttew said:
Not sure if anyone else has said this but there is a lot of upside coming out of yesterday’s game. We won and yet so many players were down or below average - Stanley, Miers, Hawkins (IMO), Henry, and even Blicavs

It was the loss we had to have.... Without actually losing

you pick one · Sep 4, 2022

Willo_ said:
It was the loss we had to have.... Without actually losing

As apposed to Melbourne's win they had to have with out actually wining.

Munich · Sep 4, 2022

Anybody else watched the 4th qtr a few times?

It gets better each time you watch it

geelong_crazy26 · Sep 4, 2022

Tony Barber said:
No idea.
But it’s not a OH&S issue.
You can play with 17

It absolutely would be an OHS issue if teams were pressured to leave injured players on the ground out of vital necessity

fpm84 · Sep 4, 2022

geelong_crazy26 said:
the grand final is much more commercialised and ticketing is alot more micro managed so will be alot more tame if we get them again, while we have also had the benefit of some exposure which will help us.

We had a great turnout of supporters yesterday but were probably still outnumbered 65/35. I have no doubt that this has an impact on the game and players and said this during the week. It’s a real sign of resolve and maturity that we were able to get it done particularly as the crowd was going bananas when JDG put them two goals up early in the last.

The good news - our fans will outnumber oppo fans regardless of who we play in the prelim.

Munich · Sep 4, 2022

fpm84 said:
We had a great turnout of supporters yesterday but were probably still outnumbered 65/35. I have no doubt that this has an impact on the game and players and said this during the week. It’s a real sign of resolve and maturity that we were able to get it done particularly as the crowd was going bananas when JDG put them two goals up early in the last.

The good news - our fans will outnumber oppo fans regardless of who we play in the prelim.

You reckon we'll get more against Melb on a Fri night?

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