List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[macky99]

I think Phillipou is gone by our pick. Depends on what GCS do. Could see him going at 5, 6, or 7.

Id still like to move back and think that may well happen on draft night. GWS, SYD or WCE could all be tempted IMO.

Based on all the changes in the order, l don't see Gold Coast taking Phillipou, they have just lost South Australian Rankine, more likely to take a safer option.
St kilda is possible, hard to know who they will target, very even between 5-12 anything could happen.

 

[Coona Blues]

Based on all the changes in the order, l don't see Gold Coast taking Phillipou, they have just lost South Australian Rankine, more likely to take a safer option.
St kilda is possible, hard to know who they will target, very even between 5-12 anything could happen.

MacKenzie is St Kilda NGA. Can’t match an early bid, unless they want key forward Jefferson, he won’t get past their pick.
Have been told by someone on here there is a massive chance of Gold Coast reaching for Hollands.Thought for a fleeting moment they might look at the key forward, but they have a star in Jed Walter as an Academy pick next year. Maybe in the market foraHumphrey type, but probably a flight risk
Geelong will take Clark unless Hawks go early. Again Jefferson may tempt Hawks, looks an area of need.

 

[macky99]

MacKenzie is St Kilda NGA. Can’t match an early bid, unless they want key forward Jefferson, he won’t get past their pick.
Have been told by someone on here there is a massive chance of Gold Coast reaching for Hollands.Thought for a fleeting moment they might look at the key forward, but they have a star in Jed Walter as an Academy pick next year. Maybe in the market foraHumphrey type, but probably a flight risk
Geelong will take Clark unless Hawks go early. Again Jefferson may tempt Hawks, looks an area of need.

Yes agree definitely think that is possible, as Arrow mentioned Jefferson looks to have massive upside, may need to wait 2-3 years for him, but would not be at all surprised if he goes inside top 10.

 

[Blue__Balls]

MacKenzie is St Kilda NGA. Can’t match an early bid, unless they want key forward Jefferson, he won’t get past their pick.
Have been told by someone on here there is a massive chance of Gold Coast reaching for Hollands.Thought for a fleeting moment they might look at the key forward, but they have a star in Jed Walter as an Academy pick next year. Maybe in the market foraHumphrey type, but probably a flight risk
Geelong will take Clark unless Hawks go early. Again Jefferson may tempt Hawks, looks an area of need.

The Hollands reach actually makes a lot of sense, too. Pairing best mates Rowell and Anderson has worked well for them so far, so drafting the younger brother of a player already on their list might reduce the flight risk of both players, especially if they can stagger their contracts so that they're never both coming out of contract in the same year.

 

[smashbox gill]

MacKenzie is St Kilda NGA. Can’t match an early bid, unless they want key forward Jefferson, he won’t get past their pick.
Have been told by someone on here there is a massive chance of Gold Coast reaching for Hollands.Thought for a fleeting moment they might look at the key forward, but they have a star in Jed Walter as an Academy pick next year. Maybe in the market foraHumphrey type, but probably a flight risk
Geelong will take Clark unless Hawks go early. Again Jefferson may tempt Hawks, looks an area of need.

I’ve also heard they may reach for Hollands. But I feel they would have tried to trade down if that was the case, I guess still possible on draft night.

Could see them taking someone like Humprey/Jefferson/busslinger/hayes

 

[Sin City]

The Hollands reach actually makes a lot of sense, too. Pairing best mates Rowell and Anderson has worked well for them so far, so drafting the younger brother of a player already on their list might reduce the flight risk of both players, especially if they can stagger their contracts so that they're never both coming out of contract in the same year.

They also have a half decent on ball division and Hollands is one of the first rounders with the scope to be a decent outside runner so he makes sense for their list. If only they’d kept that other top ten pick it’d be an easy choice.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

5 is far too early for Hollands, Gold Coast would be better trading back with us if they are wanting to 'reach'. Would much prefer us to take him either way and then pick up his brother when he's OOC as a mid/fwd option with elite and impactful disposal.

If they did trade back for him though we'd be left with Humphrey or Tsatas as the most likely options. Both of which I'd be more than comfortable taking keeping in mind both would be project players and only start impacting at a high level in 3-4 years. Both have a lot to work on with their kicking.

 

[esoteric]

5 is far too early for Hollands, Gold Coast would be better trading back with us if they are wanting to 'reach'. Would much prefer us to take him either way and then pick up his brother when he's OOC as a mid/fwd option with elite and impactful disposal.

If they did trade back for him though we'd be left with Humphrey or Tsatas as the most likely options. Both of which I'd be more than comfortable taking keeping in mind both would be project players and only start impacting at a high level in 3-4 years. Both have a lot to work on with their kicking.

Most on here would take Phillipou over Humphrey. You differ? Clark also in play at 5.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Most on here would take Phillipou over Humphrey. You differ?

Humphrey would suit us better as he can play as a third option forward of centre and in the worst case where he never progresses to the midfield, I still see him being a 40-50 goal fwd in a similar vein to Degoey in his days as a full time forward. His athletic traits are outstanding no matter where he ends up but needs a lot of work on his disposal.

 

[Les Grossman playaaaa]

I must've dreamt it, but I could've sworn I saw a post saying we traded pick 10 for 12 & 21.

Which is weird because WC have 12 and Doggies have 21.

 

[Coona Blues]

I must've dreamt it, but I could've sworn I saw a post saying we traded pick 10 for 12 & 21.

Which is weird because WC have 12 and Doggies have 21.

Your dreams seem better than mine…

 

[Bletch]

Worth listening to Nick Austin's take on what we'll do from here on.



Seems like we'll be speaking to clubs in the next few weeks about acquiring an extra pick "between 10 and 29". Only real way we can do that is with future pick trades.

Option 1: Future 1st plus 49 or 66 for a late first round and a future 3rd.
We need a future 3rd back if we're trading our future 1st. And if we're trading our future 1st, we want a first round pick back, so we don't get into issues with the four-year rule next year.
e.g. GWS pick 18 and their future 3rd (~40) for our future 1st (12-15*) and 66. Gives us 10, 18, 29, 49 for our four picks.

Option 2: Future 2nd plus 49 or 66 for an early-mid 2nd round pick.
Not a lot of options here. Pies have two picks just before ours, and * have 22, which they might be willing to get rid of so that it doesn't get eaten up by an early bid on Davey.
e.g. * pick 22 for our future 2nd (30-34) and 49. Gives us 10, 22, 29, 66
Or Pies pick 27 for our future 2nd and 66. Gives us 10, 27, 29, 49

I'm not real keen on trading out of next year, but it seems like that's the direction we're going.

I think this shows that we rate this draft is reasonably deep and even - not a lot of top-end talent, but runs deep. Where we know next year has the high-end talent, but perhaps we don't rate the 2023 depth?

 

[Stamos]

Worth listening to Nick Austin's take on what we'll do from here on.



Seems like we'll be speaking to clubs in the next few weeks about acquiring an extra pick "between 10 and 29". Only real way we can do that is with future pick trades.

Option 1: Future 1st plus 49 or 66 for a late first round and a future 3rd.
We need a future 3rd back if we're trading our future 1st. And if we're trading our future 1st, we want a first round pick back, so we don't get into issues with the four-year rule next year.
e.g. GWS pick 18 and their future 3rd (~40) for our future 1st (12-15*) and 66. Gives us 10, 18, 29, 49 for our four picks.

Option 2: Future 2nd plus 49 or 66 for an early-mid 2nd round pick.
Not a lot of options here. Pies have two picks just before ours, and * have 22, which they might be willing to get rid of so that it doesn't get eaten up by an early bid on Davey.
e.g. * pick 22 for our future 2nd (30-34) and 49. Gives us 10, 22, 29, 66
Or Pies pick 27 for our future 2nd and 66. Gives us 10, 27, 29, 49

I'm not real keen on trading out of next year, but it seems like that's the direction we're going.

I think this shows that we rate this draft is reasonably deep and even - not a lot of top-end talent, but runs deep. Where we know next year has the high-end talent, but perhaps we don't rate the 2023 depth?

Also the option of trading #10 down for 2 picks (say 15+19).

 

[bmaurizio]

If Nick wants an additional selection "between 10 and 29" , it will have to be yr option 1.
Rather expensive, one would have thought , given cohort quality 1st round 2023, reckon club is probably deflecting from the trade period 2022 reactions
It’s possible but in reality, can’t see it happening.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed we snare Mattaeus Phillipou and Iasaac Keeler and some have some luck with our perennial injured and we’ll be flying in 2023.
In Austin we trust . Go Blues

 

[Bletch]

Also the option of trading #10 down for 2 picks (say 15+19).

Yeah, though it didn't sound like that was an either/or - rather something additional. So step 1 - obtain an extra early pick (~20ish). Step 2 - look to trade picks up/down for multiple first round selections or perhaps an earlier pick than 10 - and this might be something they do on draft night.

 

[Arr0w]

Still believe we will trade a future 2nd for a current 2nd. Would involve shuffling of later picks and probably gets done night 2 of the draft

 

[Coona Blues]

Still believe we will trade a future 2nd for a current 2nd. Would involve shuffling of later picks and probably gets done night 2 of the draft

Looks the logical step if we are determined for another top 30 pick. I would have a problem parting with our first. If the Camporeale boys come on, then we could look at trading our 2024 first back to compensate later.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Interesting how there are so many different takes on the draft rankings...

This one (Cal Twomey) has Mattaes at #11.

Phantom Form Guide: Cal Twomey's top draft prospects

The official AFL website of the Hawthorn Football Club

www.hawthornfc.com.au

2nd pick? Would love Keeler, Ed Allan or Hayes or

If we can somehow get a 2nd pick in the 20s, one would be very happy!

24. MAX GRUZEWSKI

193cm/84kg
21/7/04
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Key defender/forward
August ranking: 27

Every player needs at least one weapon to be picked by an AFL club, and then to make it at the level. Gruzewski's is his marking, which has been on show throughout this year despite an injury absence mid-season. He showed it last week for Vic Metro, too, when the versatile key-position player flew high and took a massive hanger in the front half and slotted the goal. Gruzewski can read the play well, be used at both ends and grabs it when it comes his way.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I think Phillipou is gone by our pick. Depends on what GCS do. Could see him going at 5, 6, or 7.

Id still like to move back and think that may well happen on draft night. GWS, SYD or WCE could all be tempted IMO.

Ashcroft, Cadman, Wardlaw, Tsatas, Clark, Ginbey, Sheezel - They're a likely group of the top 7, it would be interesting to see which of those drop down the order.

1. GWS - Cadman
2. Brisbane - Ashcroft
3. North - Wardlaw
4. North - Tsatas
5. Essendon - Sheezel
6. GCS - Ginbey
7. Hawks - Clark
8. Cats - Mackenzie
9. Eagles - Busslinger
10. Saints - Humphrey
11. Carlton - ???? So many angles to head down here. Ed Allan, Hayes, Phillipou, Hotton, Hollands, Jefferson, Hewett....

 

[bmaurizio]

Still believe we will trade a future 2nd for a current 2nd. Would involve shuffling of later picks and probably gets done night 2 of the draft

Agree top 7 picks are highly rated talent will drop away after, so will be far too expense, we’ve been burnt trading F 1st rounder.

 

[bmaurizio]

Ashcroft, Cadman, Wardlaw, Tsatas, Clark, Ginbey, Sheezel - They're a likely group of the top 7, it would be interesting to see which of those drop down the order.

1. GWS - Cadman
2. Brisbane - Ashcroft
3. North - Wardlaw
4. North - Tsatas
5. Essendon - Sheezel
6. GCS - Ginbey
7. Hawks - Clark
8. Cats - Mackenzie
9. Eagles - Busslinger
10. Saints - Humphrey
11. Carlton - ???? So many angles to head down here. Ed Allan, Hayes, Phillipou, Hotton, Hollands, Jefferson, Hewett....

Agree I’d be happy with either of Phillipou or Hollands at p 10, let’s see how It goes down, on the night. Go Blues

 

[TerryWallet]

I agree with our strategy(via forty3, who is the most reliable itk since ericpascoe imo) of really trying to get up to get Sheezel. He is everything we need in a prospect. I would do everything this side of Stupid to get him for our Team.

But it seems that North will most likely, and most rightly, now keep 2 and 3 for Sheezel and Wardlaw.

So, after that, i'm very happy to keep 10 and wouldn't move it. It sits in the second bracket (about 7 to 11) in this draft. Keep it.

Then the draft opens up, where the strategy looks like(again rightly imo) to start moving forward our picks for 2 years.

 

[DangerousD]

I’ve also heard they may reach for Hollands. But I feel they would have tried to trade down if that was the case, I guess still possible on draft night.

Could see them taking someone like Humprey/Jefferson/busslinger/hayes

GC didn’t think to trade down 7 in the Bowes deal, they are dumb as dog s**t

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Also the option of trading #10 down for 2 picks (say 15+19).

Beatson was on SEN yesterday arvo - said that they're looking to move up in the draft, but as yet no takers. Swans currently have #14 and #17 - which would likely give us access to Hotton and Cowan/George/Weddle/Keeler.

If there's someone the Swans rate who's still on the board at our pick on draft nite - possibly #10 and #29 for #14 and #17?

 

[El Topo]

Interesting how there are so many different takes on the draft rankings...

This one (Cal Twomey) has Mattaes at #11.

Phantom Form Guide: Cal Twomey's top draft prospects

The official AFL website of the Hawthorn Football Club

www.hawthornfc.com.au

2nd pick? Would love Keeler, Ed Allan or Hayes or

If we can somehow get a 2nd pick in the 20s, one would be very happy!

24. MAX GRUZEWSKI

193cm/84kg
21/7/04
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Key defender/forward
August ranking: 27

Every player needs at least one weapon to be picked by an AFL club, and then to make it at the level. Gruzewski's is his marking, which has been on show throughout this year despite an injury absence mid-season. He showed it last week for Vic Metro, too, when the versatile key-position player flew high and took a massive hanger in the front half and slotted the goal. Gruzewski can read the play well, be used at both ends and grabs it when it comes his way.

Twomey's rankings based more on club chat that where he personally rates the players - good news for us if this holds