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Cal Twomey’s trade update on Thomas, Perkins, Grundy and more
The Trade Bell is ringing.
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List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023
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Ah, yes, good point. Brown was drafted in 2006. Another defender.
It’s as though Hine doesn’t want to risk a high profile forward draft failure so goes with the safer options of rucks and defenders. Imagine if we had a Curnow, Naughton, Larkey or Oscar Allen up forward right now!
Oh well, Free-Agency will just have to do.
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Yes, but I can't see why that would be written in the first place. I mean, why would Melbourne even consider a clause that would, if things didn't work out, mitigate Collingwood and be very costly to them.
I know that Melbourne are a pack of first rate floggers but I doubt even they would be that dumb.....or would they????
Typically commercial contracts have a clause that stipulates that the contract cannot be assigned (i.e. the right and obligations transferred) to a third party without the approval of one or all of the parties.
However, sometimes contracts will not require approval from a specific party to approve assignment of the contract.
As the details are all confidential, we just don't know what is included.
It would have all been part of the negotiations in drafting the contract. The parties are essentially trying to minimise their own risk and maximise their own flexibility. Collingwood would want what is best for them, Melbourne the same.Yes, but I can't see why that would be written in the first place. I mean, why would Melbourne even consider a clause that would, if things didn't work out, mitigate Collingwood and be very costly to them.
I know that Melbourne are a pack of first rate floggers but I doubt even they would be that dumb.....or would they????
We don't know the exact commercial terms and Collingwood may have accepted a worse draft pick or paid more salary (while playing for Melbourne ) on the basis that Melbourne accepted a more punitive clause if Grundy didn't work out for them and they had to can the deal.
Unless our contract is with Grundy that we pay him $x per year for y years while he remains a listed afl player.
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True! How could I forget Big Q!
Another “second chance” recycle trade that amounted to little.
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Chris Dawes? Oops, just noticed he's there, apologies
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Chris Tarrant!
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Tyson Goldsack!
Jack Anthony!
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So including the players you listed that is 51 players out of 184 players comming into the club or 28%.
Of the 51 players 11 are best 22 (your 8 plus bolded) or 21% strike rate.
Wow, it’s not a great strike rate, is it?
And who the hell are Schade, Richmond, Gordon, Casey-Leigh, Carter and Hall?
Free Agency seems the only path available to us in the near term, given our modest hand of picks this year and next. Let’s hope we’re now seen as a Destination Club, rather than suckers who can be relied upon to over-pay in an auction.
(BTW Tarrant was pre-Hine.)
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A few corrections: 18 years (2005-2022)
around 55 national draft picks picked in total (not father son or rookie picks or academy or drafted non 1st years like L Ball and S Buckley)
10/55 is about 18%. (Counting Brown and Goldsack) (if you don't include players that didn't quite perform like J Anthony, C Gault, T Ruscoe, T Langdon, Marsh (last 2 played tall at times), etc.
If you did include them then it would be 16/55 (30%)
I think Hine tend to take a lot of speculation picks with talls in the rookie draft like Johnson, Mihocek or with overseas picks like Cox or Keene. You could argue that he often didn't have the picks to take those star players because Collingwood tends to trade out its early picks for players like Treloar or Beams.
He has also made some rookie selections that have done okay at other clubs like Michael Hartley or L Keeffe and we have had a few solid father son talls.
Tarrant draft pre-Hine, Tarrant trade during Hine.Wow, it’s not a great strike rate, is it?
And who the hell are Schade, Richmond, Gordon, Casey-Leigh, Carter and Hall?
Free Agency seems the only path available to us in the near term, given our modest hand of picks this year and next. Let’s hope we’re now seen as a Destination Club, rather than suckers who can be relied upon to over-pay in an auction.
(BTW Tarrant was pre-Hine.)
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Our KPP strike rate is bad but if you look at the cost the only ones that were high draft picks:
Moore Pick 9
Grundy Pick 18
Dawes Pick 28
Brown Pick 10
Reid Pick 8
So on picks under 30 he has a pretty high strike rate 5/7 or 71%.
But thats only 7 picks in 20 years so he doesn't draft KPP with high draft picks often.
And in fairness we torched a few first round picks on the lines of Beams 2.0, which otherwise could have been used to recruit talls.
But regardless Hine does seem allergic to recruiting tall forwards via the National Draft.
Anyway, what’s done is done. Here’s hoping we can land Naughton at the end of next year.
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I have useful information from my contacts and would be surprised if Grundy is not at Alberton next year.
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That would look very different if we'd picked Larkey or Lewis instead of McLarty.
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That's the saving relative to our valuation of worth. The actual saving is salary of player minus the cost of replacement. In this case it's Grundy's salary minus Steenes salary.
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Can take a Strong Contested Mark for a Kid his Size.
Though as about 201cm-205cm be more seen as a 1st Ruck
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Cal Twomey’s trade update on Thomas, Perkins, Grundy and more
The Trade Bell is ringing.
So going by that only Players we might Bring 1 or 2 Fringe Players IF any at all
Could be a Boring Trade Period for Collingwood Fans
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I don't mind as long as those we retain & currently have on the list have a massive preseason..
Are rookies not drafted...? Father-sons too for that matter.
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