Can Port win a premiership under Ken Hinkley?

[BallaratBulldog]

Imagine how many coke zero's that is

 

[GoldbergsGold]

At some clubs maybe. At others they are autonomous.
With coach input being limited to a desired player profile.

We know Hinkley is involved in the recruiting from interviews, thus, the supposed poor list would be his fault. There's obviously better senior coaches in the league, 10 whom currently coaching have made grand finals as coach, who could have done better with Port. Also, do you believe had Collingwood kept Buckley with their 17th placed ranking in 2021, they would have won the premiership in 2022 or 2023? That supposedly it's never the coaches fault for a team's failure?

 

[GoldbergsGold]

We also did a whole bunch of dumb s**t in the last quarter last night (repeatedly bombing to Luke Ryan, Georgiades taking advantage with 30 seconds left when we needed to run down time, our best defender Dan Houston stuck on the opposite wing for Freo's final attack) that a well coached and well drilled side would not have done. Even the commentators were calling it out. Freo just weren't good enough to take advantage.

That's why I don't think Port will contend for a Grand final for the next 2 seasons, but had they obtained an actual successful coach like McRae, Clarkson or Hardwick they would definitely be contending for one. What's worse, they had the opportunity to poach them.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Bit rich saying he robbed you of your 30s.
Finals consistently.

You're confusing Port with Sydney. Sydney are the team who make finals consistently, but fall short. Port only played 1 final match for 5 seasons during the second half of the 2010's under Hinkley.

 

[Havoc]

How does Hinkley still have a job?? 12 years as coach with no premierships to show for it..

 

[Schulzenfest]

That's the recruiter not head coach.

So you think that once a player is recruited, the head coach has no role to play into their development?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So you think that once a player is recruited, the head coach has no role to play into their development?

Not at all. Everything must work together. Including the head coach

Recruit the right players, development coaches then a game plan that allows them to thrive. As well as the player having the desire needed to reach the level.

It's an all encompassing task

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Not at all. Everything must work together. Including the head coach

Recruit the right players, development coaches then a game plan that allows them to thrive. As well as the player having the desire needed to reach the level.

It's an all encompassing task

Again, that's Hinkley's fault if it's merely a list problem, since there's interviews he gives where admits to targeting specific players to recruit, and he's had ample opportunity to mold a premiership list with 12 seasons, which is almost the record without a grand final appearance as coach. But also, we know from last year's Collingwood's premiership, that it can be entirely the coaching and management's fault, rather than the playing list, since McRae took Collingwood to a preliminary final in 2022 to a premiership in 2023, after being 17th under Buckley in 2021.

 

[Tassieboy]

How does Hinkley still have a job?? 12 years as coach with no premierships to show for it..

a 61% winning record which is better than almost all coaches. It's a pretty unusual situation.

 

[The 747]

That's the recruiter not head coach.

Depends - if you are talking about good recruitment it wasn't Kenny. If you are talking about bad recruitment it is all Kenny.

 

[StrappingTape]

a 61% winning record which is better than almost all coaches. It's a pretty unusual situation.

He is great at almost always beating shit teams or average ones. Like last night not making a single change and just bombing on Dixon like we have the last decade and we win on talent in the end when we should have easily accounted for freo.

 

[elbarton]

Every team has bad players, Pies were lucky with there top end talent, getting Daicos x2 and Moore as father sons, Pendles was originally apart of a draft they got a priority pick, Qaynor was an early pick academy player before the system was changed. Then they were able to recruit Mitchell/Adams/Hill all good players last year. Port when we won in 2004 had a great list built with concessions coming into the AFL then recruited Pickett and Hardwick, the team we had in the early 2000's was stacked with so much more talent, and we made one GF.

In 2020 when we were a kick away from a GF 1 half decent player makes the difference. We get lucky in the early stages of our rebuild with a few father sons/priotiy picks the list is better and ken potentially wins.

Not saying keeping Ken was the right move but there is logic to say our list didnt stack up as a top 2-3 team and i cant recall a time under Ken where i thought our list is good enough to win. The home and away season in the AFL isnt the best indication due to uneven fixture. Looking at it from a pure list perspective does the changing the coach make a huge difference.

This is wild. How many ‘missing pieces’ have we recruited during this time? (Which, to Hinkley’s credit, he has had a role in bringing over)

Monfries, Polec, White, *Ryder, Dixon, Rockliff, Motlop, Watts, Lycett, Burton, Aliir, Fantasia, Finlayson, JHF, Rioli, Ratugolea, Soldo, BZT

Noting that all players brought in after * were added to a team that lost to Hawthorn by 3 points in the 2014 prelim, and were subsequently premiership favourites heading into 2015

Draft wise?

DBJ, (Impey, Amon, Howard, Frampton), Houston, SPP, Marshall, Drew, Farrell, Rozee, Butters, (Duursma), Bergman, Georgiades, Lord

Our drafting, given the picks that we’ve had would be the envy of many in the competition.

And yet, he still burnt through the careers of Robbie Gray, Westhoff, Ebert, Hartlett, Jonas and soon Boak with nothing to show for it

(All Australians in bold)

To point your finger at the playing list, as if it’s held the coaching genius back is complete silliness

 

[Schulzenfest]

a 61% winning record which is better than almost all coaches. It's a pretty unusual situation.

There has quite possibly never been a better coach in AFL history than Kenneth at reliably and consistently beating shit teams. He's 13-0 against Gold Coast, 11-1 against St Kilda, 9-2 against North Melbourne. In his entire eleven year tenure, we've only lost to a bottom 6 side at home once.

Unfortunately none of that helps you win finals or premierships, so that winning percentage is fraudulent and ultimately pretty useless. Unless you're David Koch, and you're more concerned with stability and not bottoming out than with actually winning finals or premierships. An attitude which anybody who followed Port Adelaide in the SANFL will tell you is the absolute antithesis of what the PAFC is supposed to be about.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

a 61% winning record which is better than almost all coaches. It's a pretty unusual situation.

It's because Port under him usually beat the worst teams, but his record against top 8/top 4 teams is bad.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Depends - if you are talking about good recruitment it wasn't Kenny. If you are talking about bad recruitment it is all Kenny.

Except in interviews where Kenny and players admit Kenny is the reason they came to Port, then no matter what it's Kenny.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

He is great at almost always beating s**t teams or average ones. Like last night not making a single change and just bombing on Dixon like we have the last decade and we win on talent in the end when we should have easily accounted for freo.

I saw many times Port had options and free space, but they were dump kicking everywhere. Even the commentators picked up on that, saying there's no thought into their forward entries. A better team would have finished off Port, like Melbourne did a few weeks ago. I also think The Hinkley defenders like him because they know he's keeping Port unsuccessful, which works for them as opposition supporters. No one sat there using the players as an excuse for Nathan Buckley getting fired, especially after 2023, but they'll do that for Hinkley, as if there's no better senior coaches around.

 

[Shane Heard]

The man
The myth
The legend

Kenny deserves a statue outside the MCG

Three monuments I reakon. One at whatever that port joint is called and one also in the Geelong town square.

Immortal

 

[Shane Heard]

I saw many times Port had options and free space, but they were dump kicking everywhere. Even the commentators picked up on that, saying there's no thought into their forward entries. A better team would have finished off Port, like Melbourne did a few weeks ago. I also think The Hinkley defenders like him because they know he's keeping Port unsuccessful, which works for them as opposition supporters. No one sat there using the players as an excuse for Nathan Buckley getting fired, especially after 2023, but they'll do that for Hinkley, as if there's no better senior coaches around.

It’s not dump kicking.

It’s passing to Dixon.

 

[Macca19]

I saw many times Port had options and free space, but they were dump kicking everywhere. Even the commentators picked up on that, saying there's no thought into their forward entries. A better team would have finished off Port, like Melbourne did a few weeks ago. I also think The Hinkley defenders like him because they know he's keeping Port unsuccessful, which works for them as opposition supporters. No one sat there using the players as an excuse for Nathan Buckley getting fired, especially after 2023, but they'll do that for Hinkley, as if there's no better senior coaches around.

This 'dump kicking' has literally been our forward movement since 2018

 

[GoldbergsGold]

This 'dump kicking' has literally been our forward movement since 2018

Right, straight to Dixon, who gets intercepted by the defenders most of the time.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

It’s not dump kicking.

It’s passing to Dixon.

Dump kicking to Dixon, I rarely see any spear kicking to Dixon.

 

[rapidfire7]

Can't help but notice all the Port fans on FB still bagging Hinkley after the win on Saturday night. They have already given up on the season after a 4--1 start and with the team looking very much like a finals contender.

Seems that many of them truly want Hinkley to fail more than they want him to take them to a GF. I'm sure some would still be hating on him if he was holding the Premiership cup aloft.

It really is a bizarre situation over there.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Can't help but notice all the Port fans on FB still bagging Hinkley after the win on Saturday night. They have already given up on the season after a 4--1 start and with the team looking very much like a finals contender.

How do you not get this?

He's objectively underperformed four finals series in a row. He cannot get it done in knockout finals, even in finals where we have been warm favourites. There is absolutely nothing he can do in the H&A season that even addresses the criticism of him, let alone defeats it.

 

[rapidfire7]

How do you not get this?

He's objectively underperformed four finals series in a row. He cannot get it done in knockout finals, even in finals where we have been warm favourites. There is absolutely nothing he can do in the H&A season that even addresses the criticism of him, let alone defeats it.

Plenty of things which have not happened before happen all the time.

There is a lot to play out, but you have addressed some key needs this off season and look in as good a position as ever to go deep into September this year.

 

[manureid]

Have we sacked this fraud yet?