Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[WalshistheGOAT]

 

[Lockyer24]

Has the 1995 VCR run its race?

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Off topic, but I reckon JDG has wasted his talent. Even with flag.

IMHO, this guy has all the attributes to be GOAT, has flashes of this brilliance, and some compare him to Dusty, right now he ain't Dusty's boot lace, as good as he has been.

I don't think there's ceiling with this player, I really don't, to this day I don't think he's anywhere near potential, at all.

I've had a lot of Pie fans disagree with me on this, but I'm staying phat, he could be GOAT, I don't think that'll happen though.

Potential to reach it? Yes, will he? Not sure, unlikely.

Agree, he does it a bit different to Dusty but can win it in the middle, win it on the outside, hit targets and win it inside 50 too.

He's so explosive too, really strong for a bloke who doesn't look like he should be that strong. Exits packs by driving through with speed and strength.

It is a shame, he could've been anything - but in saying that he has been very good for you guys without being considered a great of your modern era.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

who were the 'matchwinners' in the 2024 grand final?

Lohmann [emoji106]

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Still nothing from Fudger... I guess we can count that as a concession

20 matchwinning performances from Cripps to only 8 of Nicky's

 

[Arr0w]

Has the 1995 VCR run its race?

Strangely, we have more flags in the colour tv era

 

[Sector 7G]

It is interesting that Mick McGuane rates Carltons list as better than the Pies this year.

 

[Jock1eyemcpie]

Pies have the superior coach

 

[Robroy22]

It is interesting that Mick McGuane rates Carltons list as better than the Pies this year.

Be interesting to see where Mick rates it next year when Tommy's a part of it

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Be interesting to see where Mick rates it next year when Tommy's a part of it

Probably bottom 4. Tommy looks like a 2nd round type talent.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Probably bottom 4. Tommy looks like a 2nd round type talent.

Another match-winner to add to our pile [emoji106] we're so lucky

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[JustaBattler]

Let's compare the midfield in 2025:
Cripps = Daicos
De Koning > Cameron (Cameron durable, TDK not)
Walsh = De Goey (both have question marks over durability)
Cerra = Crisp (Crisp durable, Cerra not)
Smith < J. Daicos
Acres = Sidebottom
Hewett = Pendlebury
Docherty = Mitchell (both have question marks over durability)
Who are the next level for Carlton to match up against Lipinski and Perryman?

Both club have a batch of youngsters they'd be hoping to contribute, with Collingwood's players all a year or so older.

So IF Carlton get all their mids on the park for MOST of the year, they could match Collingwood.

If Carlton get a couple of injuries, it could get ugly.

If DeGoey plays alongside Naicos (pick your third on baller) - I give the edge to Collingwood in the use ball stakes when they get ball.

What used to be easy for Collingwood ( leg speed on the outside) has been diminished to perhaps countered with increased leg speed that Carlton will have at its disposal.

Pretty even midfields in my book with Carlton having the edge in contested grind and COllingwood having the edge in outside run, smarts and disposal.

It seems that Smith is a certain starter - this will add two things a better runner than Walsh and a smarter mid with ball in hand than any Carlton player has had previously.

Teams on paper are very close - Collingwood have the edge in continuity Carlton might have the edge in brute force and emerging class

I expect E Hollands , Smith to add to Walsh and Cerra evening out Collingwood;s long held advantages.

On the outside I think Collingwood (again) have continuity and at the margin leg speed on their side but not teh huge advantage they have enjoyed in past encounters.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Lmao Sidebottom = Acres

Put down the crack pipe Fudger

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Lmao Sidebottom = Acres [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Put down the crack pipe Fudger

Not sure what he's on today Walshy, everyone knows Sidey is miles better [emoji106] what a legend

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[Carringbush2010]

Just playing the timeline game, like your mates


So it's a sound workable strategy


Not part of that deal


It's a fun game that everyone plays

It's cute how you play the timeline game to try and avoid the fact that your blose are not top of the competition over the course of the competition, the most pertinent bit.

 

[Arr0w]

It's cute how you play the timeline game

No no, I use it as a rebuttal when one of your mates rolls out a narrow timeline

To try and avoid the fact that your blose are not top of the competition over the course of the competition, the most pertinent bit.

I must have missed something, aren't we equal on flags won?

 

[Carringbush2010]

No no, I use it as a rebuttal when one of your mates rolls out a narrow timeline



I must have missed something, aren't we equal on flags won?

You can use it as a rebuttal but it works against you, coz all that matters is the competition over the course of the competition, you can ignore it if it makes you feel better.

As previously explained your blose are equal on flags but behind in every other team metrics, like GF's, finals won and finals played.

That separates clubs in measure of success.

I can post the sheet again if you like, but A it's not thread relevant and B you wouldn't like it.

Or you can ignore it like you want to, I'll let you ignore it.

 

[Arr0w]

You can use it as a rebuttal but it works against you, coz all that matters is the competition over the course of the competition, you can ignore it if it makes you feel better.

Once again, I respond to those that keep highlighting a particular timeline, start at the source

As previously explained your blose are equal on flags but behind in every other team metrics, like GF's, finals won and finals played.

i couldn't care less about meaningless metrics, what next, quarters won? It's all about flags

That separates clubs in measure of success.

In your opinion of course

I can post the sheet again if you like, but A it's not thread relevant and B you wouldn't like it.

Post anything you like, happy to discuss current, leading into 2025, or past ecents

Or you can ignore it like you want to, I'll let you ignore it.

I enjoy browsing, it's entertaining

 

[Juddernaut08]

Not sure what he's on today Walshy, everyone knows Sidey is miles better [emoji106] what a legend

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Career wise Sidey is 10x Acres.

For 2025 though surely Acres is well ahead. Sidey looked half washed up last year.

 

[Fadge]

Not sure what he's on today Walshy, everyone knows Sidey is miles better [emoji106] what a legend

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I just put that to appease the Carlton desperadoes. In the same way I didn't have Daicos > Cripps. Or Pendlebury > Hewett.

Let them think they're on the right track... just makes the inevitable fall sweeter.

 

[JustaBattler]

Where would Cripps rank in the list of 'match winners' across the AFL?

Because I have the following ahead of him, in no particular order:
Daicos
De Goey
Elliott
Gawn
Petracca
Neale
Hogan
Greene
Dangerfield
J. Cameron
Bontempelli
Heeney
Warner

13 off the top of my head, so probably circa top 20 when discussing 'matchwinners'?

I don't think your 'match winner' notion has much logic, rationale or common football sense to it.

Maybe stop reaching for imaginary fudgee arguments and try and be sensible.

Cripp's job is to be the best see ball get ball give ball player in the competition- there is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER about his ranking regarding doing the hard work that fits that job description and being better at anyone else in the competition at doing it.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Career wise Sidey is 10x Acres.

For 2025 though surely Acres is well ahead. Sidey looked half washed up last year.

He should have been dropped, but by the end of the year with his career on the line he was really tearing it up again, I think he's got one more decent year

No argument that Acres has been a pretty good pick up, cheapie with solid output[emoji108]

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[Fadge]

Cripp's job is to be the best see ball get ball give ball player in the competition- there is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER about his ranking regarding doing the hard work that fits that job description and being better at anyone else in the competition at doing it.

So you agree 'matchwinner' wasn't the most suitable term for Cripps?

Good to know.

Let's stick with 'see ball, get ball, give ball player'.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So you agree 'matchwinner' wasn't the most suitable term for Cripps?

Good to know.

Let's stick with 'see ball, get ball, give ball player'.

Still waiting for an explanation as to why you omitted 11 of Cripps 20 matchwinning performances...

But we know you won't give one, simply because you don't have a good one.

 

[Fadge]

Still waiting for an explanation as to why you omitted 11 of Cripps 20 matchwinning performances...

But we know you won't give one, simply because you don't have a good one.

So if I say Daicos has been a matchwinner in 100% of wins he has played in at Collingwood, are you going to agree with that, or give me an explanation as to why he wasn't a matchwinner in the games you don't regard him as a matchwinner?

No, I didn't think so....