Politics Aussie Fascists, (neo)Nazis and Leg Spinners

[Ghost Patrol]

Conspiracy theory

ceo-nazi apologista

 

[kranky al]

Tell me Kranky, do you honestly think the majority of Jan and Joe public are going to be radicalized into nazi ideology?

If so, what evidence do you have of this? Or is it just a vibe?

Here’s a hint.

Elon musk chucked not one but two Nazi salutes - then spoke at a neo Nazi rally two days later . He’s wearing a MAGA hat with hitlers favourite font….

Half the world then spent the next week bent over backwards twisting themselves into pretzels trying to deny it was a Nazi salute.

While actual Nazis were thrilled that they were mainstream again.

They aren’t changing the name of the GOP to the Nazi party if that’s what you are asking.

But they will change their policies so they reflect Nazi ideology. They will put people in power that don’t even hide it….take a look at the US sec def….. look at his tattoos….

There’s none so blind that refuse to see….



Pete Hesgeths words:


<<<Hegseth has also hinted at his preference for an increasingly white-majority force. (Today’s enlisted active-duty force is approximately 68 percent white and 18 percent African American, Pentagon data shows.) The way to attract more recruits, he wrote, is to portray fewer Blacks and women in recruitment advertising and devote more effort to recruiting in predominantly white areas of the country. “Across America, from small town to small town, there are still hundreds of thousands of patriotic, strong, manly men ripe for recruitment,” he suggested. But he indicated that “all the ‘diversity’ recruiting messages made certain kids—white kids—feel like they’re not wanted,” and so should be overhauled.>>>


AT A MERE 68% WHITE I CAN SEE HOW HE IS TROUBLED.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The hyperbole in here has gone next level.

The allusion that we're going to be indoctrinated into nazi ideology.

I'll leave you guys to your Armageddon, I'm out.

 

[kranky al]

The hyperbole in here has gone next level.

The allusion that we're going to be indoctrinated into nazi ideology.

I'll leave you guys to your Armageddon, I'm out.

It doesnt happen all at once. It happens one step at a time.

 

[gambinotosserflog]

This whole thread is about politics.


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Was Sam Newman referenced in the comment I was referring to? No. Do people come to this thread to read up on the

1994 Bophuthatswana crisis? No. Then no it shouldn't be written. People don't come here to read history lessons on non-related football matters.​

 

[GudOnya]

Do some reading on why having Neo-Nazi scum on your platform is a bad thing.

Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No thanks. I'm pretty happy to just stand by my opinion that advocating for fascism as a way to stop the spread of fascism is counter-productive at best.

 

[TheHumanShoe]

Was Sam Newman referenced in the comment I was referring to? No. Do people come to this thread to read up on the

1994 Bophuthatswana crisis? No. Then no it shouldn't be written. People don't come here to read history lessons on non-related football matters.​

It's a discussion about Sam Newman inviting certain people onto his podcast for an interview and a discussion about it.

It's a discussion that is heavily rooted in politics.

Just because you personally feel uncomfortable about the topic at hand, doesn't mean that you have the right to suggest that politics doesn't have a place on a football forum. (Especially when no one is talking about Sam Newman as a footballer)

Let's talk about Sam Newman and football shall we? "Wow, that Sam Newman. What a player. I wish he didn't retire 45 years ago. I reckon he would give the new generation of players a run for their money."

See how it doesn't fit this thread?

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[EagleMan87]

Was Sam Newman referenced in the comment I was referring to? No. Do people come to this thread to read up on the

1994 Bophuthatswana crisis? No. Then no it shouldn't be written. People don't come here to read history lessons on non-related football matters.​

We don't come to these threads to read about the law in Japan either, but that doesn't stop you.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The hyperbole in here has gone next level.

The allusion that we're going to be indoctrinated into nazi ideology.

I'll leave you guys to your Armageddon, I'm out.

You seriously can't see how the Far Right might manipulate peoples' fears about the cost of living and job security spiralling because of waves of immigrants? Black African crime gangs making people afraid to walk the streets at night?

You seriously can't see how stoking fear and paranoia can lead to election success for parties we've been used to only seeing at the political fringes so far?

You can't see that? Voters don't have to be true believers and they don't have to be haters to go Far Right. All they need to be is fearful.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The hyperbole in here has gone next level.

The allusion that we're going to be indoctrinated into nazi ideology.

I'll leave you guys to your Armageddon, I'm out.

Stage 1: Denial

 

[peetoo]

All it takes is economic downturn. All it takes is a voice in your ear saying "You're going to lose your job. To THEM. To immigrants. Someone will take your place because they have a different skin colour or a different gender. Diversity will destroy our markets"

Then the voice will trail off. Pause for effect. And then

"Vote for us and we will make sure that never happens. THEY will never be allowed to take your job under our rule. THEY will never gain traction."

And you'll vote for them because employment insecurity will make you fearful for the future and therefore oh-so-pliable.

You or someone just like you.

Thatcher campaigned against the amount of unemployment under previous labor govt. even using a poster with a fake unemployment queues

Then after elected she went full-trump-before-there-was-trump and unemployment ‘skyrocketed’

 

[kranky al]

The hyperbole in here has gone next level.

The allusion that we're going to be indoctrinated into nazi ideology.

I'll leave you guys to your Armageddon, I'm out.

Let me put it another way. The Nazi party never won an election.

 

[SSSSSS]

No thanks. I'm pretty happy to just stand by my opinion that advocating for fascism as a way to stop the spread of fascism is counter-productive at best.

Being intolerant of facism/general intolerance is now facism?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Was Sam Newman referenced in the comment I was referring to? No. Do people come to this thread to read up on the

1994 Bophuthatswana crisis? No. Then no it shouldn't be written. People don't come here to read history lessons on non-related football matters.​

Was your dad Alwyn Wolfaardt?

 

[GudOnya]

Being intolerant of facism/general intolerance is now facism?

As I mentioned earlier in the thread two of the key tenets of fascism are the concept of promoting the greater good of the community (or nation or race) over the rights of the individual and the forcible suppression of opposition and opposing ideologies.

So yes, if you are advocating that any individual or group be banned from being able to voice their opinions or beliefs under the premise of doing it for the greater good of the community then that is fascist.

 

[SSSSSS]

As I mentioned earlier in the thread two of the key tenets of fascism are the concept of promoting the greater good of the community (or nation or race) over the rights of the individual and the forcible suppression of opposition and opposing ideologies.

So yes, if you are advocating that any individual or group be banned from being able to voice their opinions or beliefs under the premise of doing it for the greater good of the community then that is fascist.

Centrism is for dummies.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Thatcher campaigned against the amount of unemployment under previous labor govt. even using a poster with a fake unemployment queues

Then after elected she went full-trump-before-there-was-trump and unemployment ‘skyrocketed’

Yeah Thatcher and Reagan both loved 'voodoo economics' where deregulation, cuts in governmental spending on its most important investment (the people!), and tax cuts for the rich would trickle down and the effects would benefit everybody! Except in reality next to nothing trickled down and wealth concentrated at the top end of town.

 

[GudOnya]

Centrism is for dummies.

With such a profound and intelligent argument I can see why you may be confused about what fascism actually is but I am glad I was able to help you.

 

[H00t]

As I mentioned earlier in the thread two of the key tenets of fascism are the concept of promoting the greater good of the community (or nation or race) over the rights of the individual and the forcible suppression of opposition and opposing ideologies.

So yes, if you are advocating that any individual or group be banned from being able to voice their opinions or beliefs under the premise of doing it for the greater good of the community then that is fascist.

With your argument there is no difference being stabbed on the street than a surgeon performing surgery on you.

I mean in both cases someone is using a sharp implement to cut open your body?

 

[SSSSSS]

With such a profound and intelligent argument I can see why you may be confused about what fascism actually is but I am glad I was able to help you.

There are people far clever than you or I who have debated the Paradox of Intolerance/Freedom/Democracy for close to 80 years now.

I even did you the courtesy of Googling it for you.

If you're going to be deliberately obtuse than I will respond in a similar matter.

Read.

 

[GudOnya]

With your argument there is no difference being stabbed on the street than a surgeon performing surgery on you.

I mean in both cases someone is using a sharp implement to cut open your body?

There is in that one action is illegal, and the other one requires consent (albeit implied in emergency situations).

And before someone brings up the anti-hate speech laws or similar the difference again there is that they are sweeping laws that apply to everyone, not just one particular group because of their opposing ideology.

 

[GudOnya]

There are people far clever than you or I who have debated the Paradox of Intolerance/Freedom/Democracy.

I even did you the courtesy of Googling it for you.

If you're going to be deliberately obtuse than I will respond in a similar matter.

Read.

Once again I'll pass. I have actually studied some of this stuff at tertiary level so a wiki article isn't going to be enough to sway my opinion on it in one direction or the other.

If you would like point out how the act of banning individuals and groups from voicing their (legal) opinions simply because of their political beliefs or ideologies isn't fascist under the accepted definition then go right ahead. Otherwise I suggest you may be the one being obtuse.

 

[H00t]

There is in that one action is illegal, and the other one requires consent (albeit implied in emergency situations).

And before someone brings up the anti-hate speech laws or similar the difference again there is that they are sweeping laws that apply to everyone, not just one particular group because of their opposing ideology.

Funny how you suddenly understand nuance

 

[GudOnya]

Funny how you suddenly understand nuance

What is the nuance that you are alluding to that I have failed to understand?

 

[SSSSSS]

Once again I'll pass. I have actually studied some of this stuff at tertiary level so a wiki article isn't going to be enough to sway my opinion on it in one direction or the other.

If you would like point out how the act of banning individuals and groups from voicing their (legal) opinions simply because of their political beliefs or ideologies isn't fascist under the accepted definition then go right ahead. Otherwise I suggest you may be the one being obtuse.

Fascism suppresses opinions dictated by the will of a centralized power. An autocrat/despot/dictator.

Popper's paradox of intolerance implies that it is the civic duties of everyone involved in a democratic society to suppress intolerant beliefs as intolerance that is left to fester leads to the erosion of democracy and the promotion of autocracy. It's a direct critique on the concept of a benevolent philosopher king - of which reality would suggest does not exist. We as a people in a democratic society have a duty to protect our democracy.

They are not the same.

I would hope someone who had studied even entry level philosophy would have a more nuanced understanding between two extremely different concepts.