Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[adelaidecrows]

Was a great speaker, no surprise he's doing well in his post playing career. I just can't understand how hanging on for a pity year aligns with having coaching aspirations.

As my post that angered the lord and saviour in GK I merely mentioned the club wants a break glass in case of an emergency senior player on the list for depth. Thompson, DMac, Sloane now Smith. I don't know why the reasoning. Based on the anger of fans apparently unknown rookies are better.

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[adelaidecrows]

That’s not the point though.
He’s not shit, he’s cooked and the consequences to keeping him were more than just having someone on our list.

All I said was a what if. Everyone's so sure he is cooked but what if he proves everyone wrong.

I however never actually said what I think will happen. The likely hood is on the off chance he gets selected he comes in barely impacts the game. Could retire by mid year.

I also never said whether I agree with him playing on. No actually I don't. I think he should have read the tea leaves better and he has misread his capabilities. But I don't blame the club for keeping him on. As I suspect it's a break glass in case of emergency.

And yes I think he is way behind everyone on the list now and is unlikely to even work his way into the round 1 side.

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[George CantStandYa]

As my post that angered the lord and saviour in GK I merely mentioned the club wants a break glass in case of an emergency senior player on the list for depth. Thompson, DMac, Sloane now Smith. I don't know why the reasoning. Based on the anger of fans apparently unknown rookies are better.

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Look now you’re just being silly.

You started this by basically saying we should just accept it, there’s valid reasons, move on.

Every effort you’ve made to try and justify keeping him has lurched from one silly explanation to the next “what if he stars”

Like seriously, if you expect to post something as ridiculous as this and not expect a comment, then when you receive it get all worked up, then you need to harden up.

There isn’t a justification for keeping Smith. The draft was deep. He is cooked. We have players that can play his position better, we just recruited one a 6 year contract. We drafted one in 2023 and the mid we drafted in Edwards we are also developing at half back.

If your rationale is drafting unknown rookies is worse than keeping cooked veterans, how exactly do you expect to develop a list?

 

[FR0GGY]

All I said was a what if. Everyone's so sure he is cooked but what if he proves everyone wrong.

I however never actually said what I think will happen. The likely hood is on the off chance he gets selected he comes in barely impacts the game. Could retire by mid year.

I also never said whether I agree with him playing on. No actually I don't. I think he should have read the tea leaves better and he has misread his capabilities. But I don't blame the club for keeping him on. As I suspect it's a break glass in case of emergency.

And yes I think he is way behind everyone on the list now and is unlikely to even work his way into the round 1 side.

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Unfortunately he’s probably an expensive break glass option in a position we have a lot of depth in.
Dawson, milera, cumming, hinge, etc

 

[George CantStandYa]

All I said was a what if. Everyone's so sure he is cooked but what if he proves everyone wrong.

I however never actually said what I think will happen. The likely hood is on the off chance he gets selected he comes in barely impacts the game. Could retire by mid year.

I also never said whether I agree with him playing on. No actually I don't. I think he should have read the tea leaves better and he has misread his capabilities. But I don't blame the club for keeping him on. As I suspect it's a break glass in case of emergency.

And yes I think he is way behind everyone on the list now and is unlikely to even work his way into the round 1 side.

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You don’t keep a cooked player as “break glass” when you’ve got about 6 players who can play his position!!

 

[1970crow]

As my post that angered the lord and saviour in GK I merely mentioned the club wants a break glass in case of an emergency senior player on the list for depth. Thompson, DMac, Sloane now Smith. I don't know why the reasoning. Based on the anger of fans apparently unknown rookies are better.

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Are you not happy we got to see Taylor, Dowling and Bond last year? Would you really have preferred Sloane or Smith to get recalled to the side? It's a waste of a list spot that could unearth the next Smith, Sloane, Dmac or Thommo.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Are you not happy we got to see Taylor, Dowling and Bond last year? Would you really have preferred Sloane or Smith to get recalled to the side? It's a waste of a list spot that could unearth the next Smith, Sloane, Dmac or Thommo.

You do remember I'm the guy who was leading the charge re playing the young guys. I also just said smith should have retired.

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[George CantStandYa]

You do remember I'm the guy who was leading the charge re playing the young guys. I also just said smith should have retired.

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So why have you been trying to defend and justify the club keeping him?

 

[Vader]

So if we cut him after the 2024 season, his 2025 salary would have gone against the 2024 Cap? That doesn't sound right.

Yes - if you cut a contracted player, any future payments paid out need to be included in the current year's salary cap. We'd already filled that, through normal payments, plus money brought forward from future years - which cleared enough space in our future caps to make the offers to ANB/Cumming/Peatling.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yes - if you cut a contracted player, any future payments paid out need to be included in the current year's salary cap. We'd already filled that, through normal payments, plus money brought forward from future years - which cleared enough space in our future caps to make the offers to ANB/Cumming/Peatling.

YOU DONT KNOW THATS WHAT WE DID AND WERE AT CAPACITY.

 

[Mostyn]

Nicks selection philosophies though is to pick the most experienced and mature bodies. So it was always going to happen.

Nicks has picked a lot of kids across the journey.

Fans criticise coaches during a rebuild, because they're hungry to see all the kids at the same time. But that's impractical.

 

[Mostyn]

Yes - if you cut a contracted player, any future payments paid out need to be included in the current year's salary cap. We'd already filled that, through normal payments, plus money brought forward from future years - which cleared enough space in our future caps to make the offers to ANB/Cumming/Peatling.

It's strange people either don't understand or disagree with this.

We obviously stacked our 2024 cap full of prepayments so that we maximized room in 2025 for new players - and that paid off with three new senior bodies who'll go straight into our best 22.

But the downside was we couldn't cut either Smith or Strachan early.

I don't think we know when Smith hit his trigger, and it's disappointing there wasn't a way to exit him. But there's always compromises with list builds, and I think the upside of the new players is worth it.

 

[ABAB]

Nicks thought he could turn Smith's form around like he did with Milera the previous season when everyone said to drop him and he was eventually proven correct to continue to play Milera but he is younger so isn't as cooked at Smith.

 

[FR0GGY]

It's strange people either don't understand or disagree with this.

We obviously stacked our 2024 cap full of prepayments so that we maximized room in 2025 for new players - and that paid off with three new senior bodies who'll go straight into our best 22.

But the downside was we couldn't cut either Smith or Strachan early.

I don't think we know when Smith hit his trigger, and it's disappointing there wasn't a way to exit him. But there's always compromises with list builds, and I think the upside of the new players is worth it.

Surely they could have said hey Dawson do you mind if you take 450 next year instead of 425 this year and pay smith out?
Or split it over 2 players.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Sloane was a crap leader and never put the club ahead of himself. And outside of 16 and 17, when were we genuinely competitive during Sloane's peak?

In 2012, 2016, 2017 (the years we were genuine contenders) Sloane placed 3rd, 1st, and 2nd in our BnF polls to Laird’s N/A, 11th and 3rd. Again, circumstantial sure but when their actual playing ability is neck-and-neck, it makes a slight difference.

‘Crap’ leader is a little rough considering his captaincy tenure aligned with a godawful administration and era that saw Sloane very limited in his leader capabilities - Tex stepped down during this era yet he’s obviously not a crap leader. Sloane had been in the leadership group since 2012 (21 years old). This tremendously contrasts with Laird who has never been in the leadership group despite being an experienced head to a far younger group. Of course we can also point out the Rachele incident or whispers of Laird’s attitude internally to suggest there is a day and night difference between Sloane and Laird as clubmen.

 

[adelaidecrows]

So why have you been trying to defend and justify the club keeping him?

I'm just playing devil's advocate. Considering we included 4 best 22 players in the office season plus a host of kids coming through. I simply think this isn't worth focusing on.

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[George CantStandYa]

Surely they could have said hey Dawson do you mind if you take 450 next year instead of 425 this year and pay smith out?
Or split it over 2 players.

Given you can bank unused cap into the following year, why would we hamstrung ourselves by paying max this year instead of doing that?

It’s just bullshit sycophants have come up with to justify a stupid decision which they are now stating as 100% fact without anyway of knowing if it’s true.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Surely they could have said hey Dawson do you mind if you take 450 next year instead of 425 this year and pay smith out?
Or split it over 2 players.

We renegotiated quite a few contracts in the latter part of last year, so there was opportunity to payout a played if we really wanted too.

Sure Smith would have needed more work as on reasonable money, but you can't tell me we couldn't have found a way to payout Strachan to bring in a better backup ruckman.

This concerns me more than keeping Smith, as it's clearly our biggest risk to the squad if ROB is out for any significant period of time.

Berg left as a FA & Thilthorpe is coming back from a serious injury.

 

[Vader]

Surely they could have said hey Dawson do you mind if you take 450 next year instead of 425 this year and pay smith out?
Or split it over 2 players.

No... because the money had already been paid.

The point was that they brought as much money forward, from the 2025 & 2026 salary caps into the 2024 salary cap. Thus, the 2024 cap was already full by the time they came to considering whether or not to payout Smith's 2025 contract. The money brought forward meant that we had more space available in 2025/26, which allowed us to make winning offers to ANB, Cumming & Peatling.

 

[FR0GGY]

In 2012, 2016, 2017 (the years we were genuine contenders) Sloane placed 3rd, 1st, and 2nd in our BnF polls to Laird’s N/A, 11th and 3rd. Again, circumstantial sure but when their actual playing ability is neck-and-neck, it makes a slight difference.

‘Crap’ leader is a little rough considering his captaincy tenure aligned with a godawful administration and era that saw Sloane very limited in his leader capabilities - Tex stepped down during this era yet he’s obviously not a crap leader. Sloane had been in the leadership group since 2012 (21 years old). This tremendously contrasts with Laird who has never been in the leadership group despite being an experienced head to a far younger group. Of course we can also point out the Rachele incident or whispers of Laird’s attitude internally to suggest there is a day and night difference between Sloane and Laird as clubmen.

I think where 1970 is coming from about leadership is we never saw Sloane front the media in the hard times, was always left to Tex and others.
You could excuse him if he was the shy non media type.

 

[Mostyn]

Surely they could have said hey Dawson do you mind if you take 450 next year instead of 425 this year and pay smith out?
Or split it over 2 players.

I'm sure they'd already negotiated with players like Dawson, saying "take $900k this year and $700k the next two years" (or whatever).

By October, Dawson has already been paid nearly all of that $900k though, and once it's hit the books then it's in the cap. You lose 2024 flexibility as the year goes on.

 

[Mostyn]

We renegotiated quite a few contracts in the latter part of last year, so there was opportunity to payout a played if we really wanted too.

Sorry - we renegotiated quite a few contracts?

I'm sure none of them were "hey, can we renegotiate your client's contract and not pay them for the last third of the year, so we can get rid of one of their teammates?"

People were being renegotiated UP.

No one was being asked to take pay cuts to help facilitate firings. It's silly to imagine even suggesting that to a player agent - it's completely not in their business interest.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sorry - we renegotiated quite a few contracts?

I'm sure none of them were "hey, can we renegotiate your client's contract and not pay them for the last third of the year, so we can get rid of one of their teammates?"

People were being renegotiated UP.

No one was being asked to take pay cuts to help facilitate firings. It's silly to imagine even suggesting that to a player agent - it's completely not in their business interest.

It's been done before!

Stop pretending it was an impossible task for Strachan.

 

[1970crow]

Yes - if you cut a contracted player, any future payments paid out need to be included in the current year's salary cap. We'd already filled that, through normal payments, plus money brought forward from future years - which cleared enough space in our future caps to make the offers to ANB/Cumming/Peatling.

You don't know for certain that we didn't have the space. We did when we retired Brown with a year to pay out. Reality is that after going public about wanting to play on, we were never going to delist a long serving player like Smith. We want it to be a retirement story, that's how we operate.

 

[George CantStandYa]

No... because the money had already been paid.

The point was that they brought as much money forward, from the 2025 & 2026 salary caps into the 2024 salary cap. Thus, the 2024 cap was already full by the time they came to considering whether or not to payout Smith's 2025 contract. The money brought forward meant that we had more space available in 2025/26, which allowed us to make winning offers to ANB, Cumming & Peatling.

I'm sure they'd already negotiated with players like Dawson, saying "take $900k this year and $700k the next two years" (or whatever).

By October, Dawson has already been paid nearly all of that $900k though, and once it's hit the books then it's in the cap. You lose 2024 flexibility as the year goes on.

Tweedle dumb tweedle dee.

Neither of you know what we did, stop talking shit as fact.

We didn’t need to pay all our cap this year, we could roll it into next year and achieve the same purpose.

You don’t know thats not what we didn’t do and if we did what you said and left us no flexibility to create list spots in 2024 then we are morons either way.