Hot Topic Michael Voss - Okay, he's gone ... but when?

[David Sylvian]

4 more games to go minimum three wins required…

 

[CarmenSandiego]

He won't be sacked.

2021 - 8 wins & 13th (Teague)
2022 - 12 wins & 9th (missed the 8 by 0.06%)
2023 - 13 wins & 5th (made a prelim)
2024 - 13 wins & 8th (EF loss)

No matter how badly this year goes, he got vastly improved results straight away, had 1 outstanding season and 2 decent ones. That's not sackable grounds, it's similar to Ratten who we sacked after essentially a single down year.

It's also no coincidence that we've gone backwards in 2025 after List Management moved on handy bottom 6 players like Owies & Kennedy, to be replaced by either kids, journeymen or nobody.

There needs to be a shake up, but it will come from his staff around him and the playing list, is my prediction.

 

[De Iulio2Wiggins]

This club has been a shitshow ever since Greg Swann left, and even then the tail end of his tenure was a debacle.

Long overdue for a massive football department clean out.

I wouldn’t keep any of them - Austin, Lloyd, Voss, every single assistant coach. Even the new high performance guy can go given we seemingly still can’t run out games.

And Cook can walk too - done absolutely nothing noteworthy since joining.

Baby and bathwater.

Anyone who's played sport, especially elite level, knows how much happens above the shoulders. Conviction in the idea that you're going to win is worth 10%, 20% of your effort. What I'm seeing is a team that doesn't have that conviction any more. Whether that's the gameplan or team selection or belief in the coaches and admin, something's not there or it's not clicking much of the time.

Austin is picking kids who can play but we're not seeing them play. He's not the driving force in the idea that this is a premiership list that needs to pick up random pieces, in reality list cloggers, rather than trusting what you have and supplementing it with genuine development. Take Docherty (he's done), Haynes, Young out of last night's team, put in three kids with a bit of drive and mongrel and give them a game plan they believe in and I think that gets us a lot closer to the line.

 

[jd2010]

For the life of me why did he think a 32 year old was going to solve our issues down back.
Just laughable...if it didn't hurt so much..

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I was never a big McGovern fan, so i didnt mind adding him to the list, McGovern barelt stays fit, but it's one or the other in the 22 The two playing together make our back 6 look more confused than ever

 

[jj1978]

I highly doubt Brian Cook is going to finish his final year leaving the joint in a mess. If he thinks change must be made it will be made, would almost guarantee it.

Cook was cooked the day he joined. Helped select Voss with a mentally decapitated Diesel, Sayers ( used car salesman), Lloyd (pffft). Took him years to finally realise and address issues with our injuries and push for change.

Read the herald sun article on him late last season. He thought he still had petrol in the tank when he joined us but clearly was done and Geelong knew it.

 

[jj1978]

Longmire was the best coach in the league for like the last 5 years of his tenure in my opinion. Also always seemed to have a great relationship with the players. Has always been my favourite non-Carlton coach.

Also made Sayers very envious.

 

[Accidental genius]

How much longer has this got to go on his contract? End of 2026?

Any suggestion that he’s improved tge side since taking over is ludicrous …tge talent we’ve had at his disposal is mind boggling

Cripps 2 Brownlows
Charlie and H Coleman medalists
Weits down back

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Cook was cooked the day he joined. Helped select Voss with a mentally decapitated Diesel, Sayers ( used car salesman), Lloyd (pffft). Took him years to finally realise and address issues with our injuries and push for change.

Read the herald sun article on him late last season. He thought he still had petrol in the tank when he joined us but clearly was done and Geelong knew it.

coudln't believe when we were boasting this setup.

few people i know in business circles deal/have dealt with diesel and he's certainly not known as the sharpest tool in the shed. he actually has CTE, which is sad.

as for cook - geelong were pretty happy to see the back of him in his final year there. he admittedly took the carlton job for the money initially, which is never a great sign.

 

[smashbox gill]

I think Vossy will get the exact same treatment as Buckley in 2021. Straight out of the Graham Wright playbook.

He will get a gracious exit in the middle of the season and Hansen will get his chance to audition as an interim.

I genuinely believe that Voss was a positive appointment for us in the context of what was going on at the club in that moment. But it’s clear that he won’t be the man to take us to number 17. Thanks for restoring hope for us in 2023, but it’s time to move on.

Hopefully Wright isn’t here for a payday and he can identify the next Craig McRae for us.

I think Kingsley who came 2nd in pipe have brought more joy and hope had he been given the role

 

[Blues Clues]

Is he sacked yet?

 

[smashbox gill]

If we appointed Kade Simpson as head coach just because he’s a Carlton legend would be much of the same. He’s way to inexperienced, and would be another Teague like appointment.

Someone who I think would be great if we go the younger type would be Jaymie Graham at Freo who is a highly rated strategist who was among the favs for the pies job. Giansiracusa would be another.

However if we go young again, we really need to surround them with experienced heads

 

[sparkybagger]

Voss' press conference was his usual nothingburger of statements (unsurprising) but his body language involved lots of hand-wringing and defensive posturing. He looks like a man completely bereft of ideas. The tokenistic statements akin to "it's about whether we play our brand of footy" are the words of someone who has no idea how to dissect and respond to better-coached opposition.

A fundamental flaw in his thinking is that he ignores half the equation by only focusing on the things he can control while completely ignoring the things he can't. The approach taken is entirely dependent on Carlton's ability to execute skills and tactics and assumes there isn't an opposition coaching box of warm bodies and critical thinkers (99% of which are smarter and more creative than both he and Hansen combined) responding to this brain-dead "see footy, get footy, bomb footy forward" approach.

The thing they ignore is that there are things outside your control that you need to find a way to respond to. If the opponent can execute skills better, run faster, and have a tactical approach that exploits your weaknesses (e.g., skills, speed, creative), playing your "brand" is a fool's errand as you're doing exactly what they want you to do.

 

[bourbons]

Good that they at least had a crack this week, would have been nice to see that last week and bank an easy 4 points

But that game just further confirmed this list ain't it. They were (mostly) switched on, cracked in, tackled well and won clearances/contested... didn't matter in the end coz our foot skills were so far below Hawthorn's. The difference was just so apparent, the 56% to 66% kicking efficiency or whatever it was doesn't even indicate how big the gulf was imo.

I understand Voss' reluctance to go away from our style, because in reality it's the only style we can play with our personnel. But you're not winning a flag in the modern game with our level skill by foot, just ain't gonna happen. Bitter pill to swallow but it just confirms for me you have to blow it up and start again, and

for the love of god prioritise speed and kicking skills, we're so far off the modern game in terms of style its ridiculous

Use the TDK situation as the catalyst, love the guy and hate to lose him but the St Kilda money is ridiculous, can't be paying a ruck that, certainly not a club with our salary cap situation. Cripps Wieters and Charlie (although not sure after last night lol) off limits but entertain offers for any other player, free up some cap space, draft and trade for elite kicking and more evenly distribute the cap in an effort to get actual league standard lower end players.

Nick Haynes just lol, pretty confident calling that a bust 2 rounds in, was he always that slight? Bloke looks like he needs a steak or 7. Doc is finished too unfortunately, really feel for the guy, career pretty much ruined by injury and illness but the disposals last week and the dropped mark on 3/4 last night, wowee. He wouldn't get a game with any other team bar about the bottom 3. But neither will be dropped coz we have no one else to bring in.

But that is exactly what we need. We are soo poor at disposal, thats why we are perceived as slow.

Getting a new coach in won't improve players' skills, reality is we just don't have many great (or even good) kicks on the list.

 

[Juddernaut08]

needs to be sacked for a strategist, but we also need better line coaches.

 

[bourbons]

JSOS has been training back all preseason, so when Harry gets sick, our genius decides to bring young in to play back and swing jack forward. Why not leave jack back and give a kid like moir a shot? He's shown more in 2 quarters than young has in any games weiters is fit for. Give the kid a go and stop playing unfit players just because they are big names ffs (Curnow, not young).

Mind boggling wasn't it? Young in (to get de-stroyed by Chor, who could have seen that coming lol), Jack forward, Cooper Lord as sub

Moir in for Harry and Lord starting the obvious move I would have thought.

 

[SolGoodman]

Honestly, I'd sack him, but the problems are so much deeper than that.

The biggest one for me is the eye test, watch the Hawks play, they literally know where their players are at all times without actually seeing them.

For whatever reason our players are panic merchant's, severe fumblers and bombing it long to absolutely no one.

Almost every single time the Hawks went inside 50 all of their forwards had separation and genuine 1on1s, for us? Almost never.

The whole entire system needs rebooting.

Houston may not have been the saviour, but sheesh I'd do anything for an elite kick right now...

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[bourbons]

This team will not be competitive with Voss

Won't be competitive (against the top sides anyway) with or without Voss. Not until we get some better kicks and ideally a few line breakers with genuine speed.

 

[Jatz]

This is probably me just being irrational but the very first question in his presser, he said "but geez I was still pretty happy with our fight".

This team has been assembled to be a top 4 team (whether we can be is another question). Fight/effort is absolutely non negotiable and shouldn't need to be discussed. This is an answer for a team rebuilding. North/Richmond etc should be talking about effort and fight.

It's not good enough that the positives he looks for is what the bare minimum expectation should be for this side.

 

[jj1978]

Gene Hackman was pretty good coach in Hoosiers and the Replacements. I hear he’s not doing much at the moment. He might also be good at finding the kryptonite for our opponents.

 

[bigm386]

Voss saying Curnow did his job last night....

Wowwee.

Setting high standards clearly.

 

[Horizon]

Voss saying Curnow did his job last night....

Wowwee.

Setting high standards clearly.

4 kicks 1 handball 2 marks. Gee whiz. 0.0

 

[bigm386]

With a maxed out salary cap. You'd bloody hope were competitive

It's not really maxed out. I mean a few are expiring soon. Just need to maximise the list spots when they do.

 

[bigm386]

4 kicks 1 handball 2 marks. Gee whiz. 0.0

0 tackles.

Was basically a witches hat.

 

[jj1978]

After the salary cap debacle too scared to push back on whatever the AFL wanted to do to us for something all clubs had done.

Our bad boy image with a few players so we are frightened of that so go recruit all nice boys you’d want to date your sister eliminating 50% of potential AFL pool.

Now it’ll be we’re too scared to sack another coach because we’ll be criticised of doing it again. Voss will be like Hinkley be a 10+ year coach with us and transition with nothing to show for it.

 

[Dooky]

He won't be sacked.

2021 - 8 wins & 13th (Teague)
2022 - 12 wins & 9th (missed the 8 by 0.06%)
2023 - 13 wins & 5th (made a prelim)
2024 - 13 wins & 8th (EF loss)

No matter how badly this year goes, he got vastly improved results straight away, had 1 outstanding season and 2 decent ones. That's not sackable grounds, it's similar to Ratten who we sacked after essentially a single down year.

It's also no coincidence that we've gone backwards in 2025 after List Management moved on handy bottom 6 players like Owies & Kennedy, to be replaced by either kids, journeymen or nobody.

There needs to be a shake up, but it will come from his staff around him and the playing list, is my prediction.

You have very low standards then.

1 ‘outstanding’ season and 2 ‘decent’ seasons. Yay we won participation awards?

You would fit right into the coaching group.