The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[Cooldude]

Conservatives keep thinking the US campaign model will win elections because it's successful there, but we aren't America: we aren't crazy for starters, you can't say we're smart but we definitely aren't dumb like the yanks either, plus our democracy is actually functional and not corrupt. The US is ****ed by gerrymandering, voter suppression, outdated systems and so forth

If they think they're gonna win elections by going further right then be my guest

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Conservatives keep thinking the US campaign model will win elections because it's successful there, but we aren't America: we aren't crazy for starters, you can't say we're smart but we definitely aren't dumb like the yanks either, plus our democracy is actually functional and not corrupt. The US is ****ed by gerrymandering, voter suppression, outdated systems and so forth

If they think they're gonna win elections by going further right then be my guest

And religious fervour is not in our DNA like it is for the septics.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Libs need to get back to the definition of conservative being sensible, if not boring, economic management of the centre-right and move away from the economic-mismanagement implicit in the definition of conservatism being the hate-fuelled, divisive, hard-right policies that has come to define the party.

And they need to piss the Catholics and the Brethren and the Hillsong happy clappers out of their midst and tell them to go form their own political party.

I have no problem with the formation of an overtly religious political party, so long as they’re upfront and transparent about it, rather than this devious piggybacking they’ve been doing with the Coalition for a while now.

I wouldn’t vote for them, and I suspect a lot of other people wouldn’t either, but they would earn my respect for their willingness to be open.

 

[pebblesofsand]

So the Libs were totally surprised that their election campaign of selling RWNG policies to the 37 RWNG's who watch Skynews only delivered 37 votes.

 

[Bestbird]

The Teal impact has really hurt the Libs. A lot of these were blue ribbon seats in the past.

So they are being absolutely smashed in city metro seats aside from those in the outer reaches with some rural areas

 

[Bont2Bruce]

The Teal impact has really hurt the Libs. A lot of these were blue ribbon seats in the past.

So they are being absolutely smashed in city metro seats aside from those in the outer reaches with some rural areas

Even if the Liberals had 10 extra seats won back from the teal independents, they are still about 25 seats away from a majority.

 

[E Shed]

Its a slim possibility that if the Crossbench can't repeal the new funding rules the libs/labor duopoly rammed through before the next election the Teals may form a party that could effectively replace what the moderate wing of the Liberal party used to represent and reset the Overton Window.

The Libs will die if they just keep chasing the cooker vote.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Even if the Liberals had 10 extra seats won back from the teal independents, they are still about 25 seats away from a majority.

Correct but it's still some sort of striking distance. Losing them plus the other swinging seats has now set them further back than either major party has been since the 70s.

 

[Hank Scorpion]

Its a slim possibility that if the Crossbench can't repeal the new funding rules the libs/labor duopoly rammed through before the next election the Teals may form a party that could effectively replace what the moderate wing of the Liberal party used to represent and reset the Overton Window.

The Libs will die if they just keep chasing the cooker vote.

This is the path back in the cities, but then we're left with a rump of at least two-dozen seats in the country and up the Queensland coast that would just keeping voting National in protest. Which would then make governing difficult if Labor and Teal Liberal can't get their own majority from just the metro/provincial area.

The Libs are cooked internally, but the Nats also need to change and give them a lot more room to manouevre unless they want to collect their salaries from opposition indefinitely.

 

[DaRick]

Correct but it's still some sort of striking distance. Losing them plus the other swinging seats has now set them further back than either major party has been since the 70s.

It's really worse than the ALP's situation after 1975 because back then the two majors were the only game in town.

Now, you have a bunch of minor parties with variable preference flows.

 

[Magruder]

Between dealing all the kids in her class (and **** me for preps there are some shitheads) my girlfriend always finds the time to talk about Marxism and how Lenin did the Russian Revolution

Yep, then after lunch it’s a critical review of decontextualised ontology in a post colonial modernity…
Or nap time…

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The Teal impact has really hurt the Libs. A lot of these were blue ribbon seats in the past.

So they are being absolutely smashed in city metro seats aside from those in the outer reaches with some rural areas

The teals have had an impact but in a lot of these seats they’re a symptom, not a cause.

In Melbourne particularly, these seats have changed a hell of a lot. They were blue ribbon because they were wealth areas and the wealthy vote Liberal (that hasn’t changed much).

What has changed is the housing price revolution, and it’s all a bit ironic as that was kicked off by Howard and the Liberals. In a way they’ve eaten their own blue ribbon areas as people enrich themselves via housing - which is what the Liberals wanted.

There are still wealthy Liberal voters but they’re increasingly outnumbered by young, non-wealthy people living in the multi-story dog boxes the developers built to take advantage of the house price crisis.

Take a house, remove the two Liberal voters, knock the house down, buid apartments and move in 20 non-Liberal voters.

The Libs and their supporters sold their own blue ribbon seats.

 

[Magruder]

Its a slim possibility that if the Crossbench can't repeal the new funding rules the libs/labor duopoly rammed through before the next election the Teals may form a party that could effectively replace what the moderate wing of the Liberal party used to represent and reset the Overton Window.

The Libs will die if they just keep chasing the cooker vote.

The teals have had an impact but in a lot of these seats they’re a symptom, not a cause.

In Melbourne particularly, these seats have changed a hell of a lot. They were blue ribbon because they were wealth areas and the wealthy vote Liberal (that hasn’t changed much).

What has changed is the housing price revolution, and it’s all a bit ironic as that was kicked off by Howard and the Liberals. In a way they’ve eaten their own blue ribbon areas as people enrich themselves via housing - which is what the Liberals wanted.

There are still wealthy Liberal voters but they’re increasingly outnumbered by young, non-wealthy people living in the multi-story dog boxes the developers built to take advantage of the house price crisis.

Take a house, remove the two Liberal voters, knock the house down, buid apartments and move in 20 non-Liberal voters.

The Libs and their supporters sold their own blue ribbon seats.

The liberal party no longer represent the ‘teal’ areas. Not simply because the demographic has changed but because the party sought to embody a different set of views, although grievances is a better descriptor.

A rediscovery of the basic inclusiveness of the post war consensus, suitably updated to reflect more progressive social values is the only way back in the ‘teal’ seats.

It must be a genuine embrace of values, it cannot be achieved through the gaslighting of a Jane Hume or the sociopathic calumnies of the Hamer descendant.

 

[masai tu]

The Teal impact has really hurt the Libs. A lot of these were blue ribbon seats in the past.

So they are being absolutely smashed in city metro seats aside from those in the outer reaches with some rural areas

Case in Point, Curtin.

Chaney is from a blueblood Liberal family, a shoein to be a great worker for the Liberal party in Curtin. "Nah, let's piss her off, she is too moderate / left for our party".

"Geez, she won Curtin !!!!, let's attack her at the next election, do not pump up our candidate, just attack the traitor".

Moderates in the Liberal Party, I'd love to see that.

 

[blueboy25]

Rowan Dean said the LNP lost because they didn't listen to him and Rita.......

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Rowan Dean said the LNP lost because they didn't listen to him and Rita.......

Both Andrew Bolt and Peta Credlin blamed the Australian public for the result on Sunday, because they failed to see how terrible the Albanese government had been for it's first 3 years.

Was a good comedy read.

 

[Dazzler9]

Its a slim possibility that if the Crossbench can't repeal the new funding rules the libs/labor duopoly rammed through before the next election the Teals may form a party that could effectively replace what the moderate wing of the Liberal party used to represent and reset the Overton Window.

The Libs will die if they just keep chasing the cooker vote.

This would be a good outcome.

Let the Liberal Party morph into a far right quasi-religious minor party. Meanwhile the moderate centre-right types (i.e. Teals) form a brand new party that fills the vacuum left by the old Libs. Since the new party takes time to build its base, the ALP remains in government for the next decade.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

This would be a good outcome.

Let the Liberal Party morph into a far right quasi-religious minor party. Meanwhile the moderate centre-right types (i.e. Teals) form a brand new party that fills the vacuum left by the old Libs. Since the new party takes time to build its base, the ALP remains in government for the next decade.

Apart from the bit about teals forming a new political party, I reckon the rest of this has already happened.

 

[QuietB]

Conservatives keep thinking the US campaign model will win elections because it's successful there, but we aren't America: we aren't crazy for starters, you can't say we're smart but we definitely aren't dumb like the yanks either, plus our democracy is actually functional and not corrupt. The US is ****ed by gerrymandering, voter suppression, outdated systems and so forth

If they think they're gonna win elections by going further right then be my guest

Are there stats on who doesn't vote in America? Is it just the middle who stays away, and that middle who must vote in Australia decides elections here?

 

[nut]

will the LNP split up ?

Nationals MPs '100 per cent' back nuclear being kept as Coalition dissects loss

Two Nationals MPs say the Coalition's plan to build seven nuclear power stations must be kept, as the opposition moves to review everything it took to an election that handed them a disastrous result.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Both Andrew Bolt and Peta Credlin blamed the Australian public for the result on Sunday, because they failed to see how terrible the Albanese government had been for it's first 3 years.

Was a good comedy read.

Well they are right! Australians exercising their democratic right to vote against the Liberal Party was 100% the Australian voting public's fault! Wasn't the fault of the Shadow Government as they all voted for themselves in their electorates.

Your fault.
My fault.
We are Aus-tra-lian!

Righto, that's cleared up. Looking forward to it being our fault when Conservatives never see public office again!

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Where has this idea that kids are being pushed towards progressive ideas in public schools come from?

I blame the internet, which is as you know a series of tubes that progressives use to put their gay transgendered communist privates right into childrens mouths!

It's political correctness gone mad!!!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I can get them halfway competitive again with just three things. No need to pay for expensive reviews.

1. Drop their moronic opposition to action on climate change.

2. Boot out the religious zealots

3. Bring in quotas for women. They can crap on all they want with "oh we're a meritocracy", but the simple fact is, women are not interested in joining the Coalition in any way near a number remotely resembling the real world.

Quotas worked for the ALP. Just do it and stop being so stupid. In the rare circumstance that a truly dud female candidate somehow gets through purely on quota rather than ability, whatever damage she does will be hugely outweighed by the positives that having a realistic female representation across the board will bring.

They don't even need to tangle themselves up in hairsplitting about "minorities". We're talking about over 50% of the population FFS.

 

[liz]

Where has this idea that kids are being pushed towards progressive ideas in public schools come from?

It’s called critical thinking, maybe the most important tool schools should be equipping students with. Unfortunately, critical thinking enables people to challenge what they hear and read and see through the dogma, propaganda and outright lies that the MAGA-style right peddles. Or any political regime, for that matter, that looks to authoritarianism.

 

[liz]

I can get them halfway competitive again with just three things. No need to pay for expensive reviews.

1. Drop their moronic opposition to action on climate change.

2. Boot out the religious zealots

3. Bring in quotas for women. They can crap on all they want with "oh we're a meritocracy", but the simple fact is, women are not interested in joining the Coalition in any way near a number remotely resembling the real world.

Quotas worked for the ALP. Just do it and stop being so stupid. In the rare circumstance that a truly dud female candidate somehow gets through purely on quota rather than ability, whatever damage she does will be hugely outweighed by the positives that having a realistic female representation across the board will bring.

They don't even need to tangle themselves up in hairsplitting about "minorities". We're talking about over 50% of the population FFS.

Cutting out the undercurrent of Islamophobia would help too.