Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[Mr Meow]

And yet gws haven't played finals at scg even though their capacity is way smaller then geelongs and we know gold Coast won't play finals at the gabba if they ever get there. It's a rule that has only ever applied to Geelong and its bull****. It's cost us 2 flags at least in the past 20 years.

It's a Victoria only rule (unofficially). Geelong and the Marvel tenants have to deal with the MCG boys getting a leg up come finals.

 

[doppleganger]

And yet gws haven't played finals at scg even though their capacity is way smaller then geelongs and we know gold Coast won't play finals at the gabba if they ever get there. It's a rule that has only ever applied to Geelong and its bull****. It's cost us 2 flags at least in the past 20 years.

Sydney have hosted home state finals at Stadium Australia and not the SCG.

Hawthorn have hosted home state finals at Docklands and not the G.

It is really only a rule that guarantees a home ground game for the WA and SA teams.

 

[kranky al]

Sydney have hosted home state finals at Stadium Australia and not the SCG.

Hawthorn have hosted home state finals at Docklands and not the G.

It is really only a rule that guarantees a home ground game for the WA and SA teams.

Guarantees Collingwood a home game too.

Difference with the wa and sa teams is we must finish higher than our opposition.

 

[doppleganger]

Guarantees Collingwood a home game too.

Difference with the wa and sa teams is we must finish higher than our opposition.

Difference with the SA and WA teams is they benefit from the massive advantage during H&A so they finish top2 more than Melbourne teams who share just 2 grounds.

And WA and SA teams then likely get a true home ground advantage, where plenty of MCG finals are often neutral games.

 

[kranky al]

Difference with the SA and WA teams is they benefit from the massive advantage during H&A so they finish top2 more than Melbourne teams who share just 2 grounds.

And WA and SA teams then likely get a true home ground advantage, where plenty of MCG finals are often neutral games.

lol

We get ten home games with advantage.

Where do the games that get us home finals come from?


I’d suggest like 2018 beating Collingwood at the mcg for the first time in over 20 years….

We have to beat top 8 teams on the road to earn hga in finals…. Meanwhile you rest your best older players interstate because you plane dodgers can afford to

 

[Bont the Lord]

I'll just leave this here

 

[TW Sherrin]

There should be a royal commission into Geelongs fixture.

 

[kranky al]

There should be a royal commission into Geelongs fixture.

Played brizzy in brizzy — freo at geelong
Adelaide in Adelaide — giants at geelong
Hawthorn at the g — Suns at geelong
Collingwood at theg — Lions at geelong
Giants in sydney

Looks like a difficult row to hoe to me played 3 of the top 4 away from home vs 2 of the top 4 at home

Played 2 of the bottom four of the eight away and 2 at home.

 

[sr36]

Played brizzy in brizzy — freo at geelong
Adelaide in Adelaide — giants at geelong
Hawthorn at the g — Suns at geelong
Collingwood at theg — Lions at geelong
Giants in sydney

Looks like a difficult row to hoe to me played 3 of the top 4 away from home vs 2 of the top 4 at home

Played 2 of the bottom four of the eight away and 2 at home.

The top 9 are beating the bottom 9 comfortably everywhere. Thus who your double up games are against is the biggest factor in who has gotten an advantageous draw this year. Below is how many double ups are against the other top 9 teams:

Gold Coast 6
Brisbane 5
Freo 5
Hawthorn 5
Collingwood 4
GWS 4
Adelaide 3
Dogs 3
Geelong 2

Cats have gotten really lucky this year with the easiest draw of the likely finalists. It's a significant advantage in terms of both likely games won and percentage. That's without going into you equating the advantage of home games at KP with their "away" games at the G. They have comfortably the easiest fixture this year. It's just not arguable - they got lucky.

 

[Grumpyshades]

It's funny listening to Victorian clubs argue who gets the bigger 'leg up'

 

[doppleganger]

lol

We get ten home games with advantage.

Pies get 4-5 if we are lucky.

The results show teams that have kept home ground advantage are much better off than those who are forced into two grounds.

But your moronic position is any game in Melbourne is an advantage to both Melbourne teams (just completely ignores the main factors that provide any advantage).


SA clubs finished top2 10 times

The 8 Melbourne based clubs who rarely travel, but play their games between the neutral stadiums have combined for just 8 top2 finishes

Blues 0
Pies 4
Dons 0
Dees 2
North 0
Tigers 1
Saints 1
Dogs 0

The WA clubs finished top2 5 times
BL themselves finished top2 6 times

The results are clear, if you want to do well in H&A season make sure you have a home ground that isn't used by 8 teams.

Where do the games that get us home finals come from?

When you play your 4th or 5th away game at the same venue (4 at Marvel this year) they aren't really true disadvantage games.

I’d suggest like 2018 beating Collingwood at the mcg for the first time in over 20 years….

No argument from me, WC were better than Collingwood in 2018 beat us 3 times.

We have to beat top 8 teams on the road to earn hga in finals…. Meanwhile you rest your best older players interstate because you plane dodgers can afford to

In 2015 of your 6 wins away from Perth, 2 were not at the home grounds of your opponent.

You played Melbourne in Darwin, the Dees travelled further, and Pies at Marvel (Pies were 0-3 at Marvel that year).

So WC only needed to beat 4 teams away on their home decks to finish top2 in 2015.

 

[kranky al]

The top 9 are beating the bottom 9 comfortably everywhere. Thus who your double up games are against is the biggest factor in who has gotten an advantageous draw this year. Below is how many double ups are against the other top 9 teams:

Gold Coast 6
Brisbane 5
Freo 5
Hawthorn 5
Collingwood 4
GWS 4
Adelaide 3
Dogs 3
Geelong 2

Cats have gotten really lucky this year with the easiest draw of the likely finalists. It's a significant advantage in terms of both likely games won and percentage. That's without going into you equating the advantage of home games at KP with their "away" games at the G. They have comfortably the easiest fixture this year. It's just not arguable - they got lucky.

lol - where would you rather play geelong - the g or geelong


Your life is on the line if you lose…

 

[sr36]

It's funny listening to Victorian clubs argue who gets the bigger 'leg up'

How difficult your fixture is isn't about a "leg up". It's about luck. Teams play a set number of double up from each third of last year's ladder. If your doubles ups from the top third last year are against Port or Sydney - you've gotten lucky. If from the bottom third they're against Adelaide - you've been unlucky. With the middle third - you don't want your double ups to have been against Collingwood, Fremantle - you want them to have been against Essendon, Saints, Carlton

 

[kranky al]

Pies get 4-5 if we are lucky.

The results show teams that have kept home ground advantage are much better off than those who are forced into two grounds.

But your moronic position is any game in Melbourne is an advantage to both Melbourne teams (just completely ignores the main factors that provide any advantage).


SA clubs finished top2 10 times

The 8 Melbourne based clubs who rarely travel, but play their games between the neutral stadiums have combined for just 8 top2 finishes

Blues 0
Pies 4
Dons 0
Dees 2
North 0
Tigers 1
Saints 1
Dogs 0

The WA clubs finished top2 5 times
BL themselves finished top2 6 times

The results are clear, if you want to do well in H&A season make sure you have a home ground that isn't used by 8 teams.

When you play your 4th or 5th away game at the same venue (4 at Marvel this year) they aren't really true disadvantage games.

No argument from me, WC were better than Collingwood in 2018 beat us 3 times.

In 2015 of your 6 wins away from Perth, 2 were not at the home grounds of your opponent.

You played Melbourne in Darwin, the Dees travelled further, and Pies at Marvel (Pies were 0-3 at Marvel that year).

So WC only needed to beat 4 teams away on their home decks to finish top2 in 2015.

In 2018 if we don’t beat Collingwood and the hawks interstate - we come 6th and host week one then fly for the rest of finals.

 

[sr36]

lol - where would you rather play geelong - the g or geelong


Your life is on the line if you lose…

At the MCG - Cats have a really big advantage at KP, whereas it's neutral or very close to at the MCG. It's beyond me how you don't seem to understand that big home advantage and a very small away disadvantage nets out very well.

But the real point is who the double ups are against. Cats have gotten lucky with easily the easiest draw of the 9 teams battling it out for a spot in the finals and positioning within the 8.

 

[doppleganger]

It's funny listening to Victorian clubs argue who gets the bigger 'leg up'

It is even funnier when SA fans try to group themselves with WA clubs as copping a travel impost, or Geelong fans pretending they face a genuine away disadvantage at the G.

Results speak for themselves.

Anyone who thinks it is Melbourne teams who are dominating the H&A season and making GFs and winning flags need to actually just take a look at results.

 

[STPer18]

There should be a royal commission into Geelongs fixture.

Geelong had the objective hardest first half of anyone. We understand the current angst but it's not a lay down misère Collingwood face their masters Geelong in the finals just yet, so keep the faith.

 

[doppleganger]

In 2018 if we don’t beat Collingwood and the hawks interstate - we come 6th and host week one then fly for the rest of finals.

You played Hawks at Marvel.

Play that at either of the Hawks two preferred grounds MCG or Tassie, where the Hawks actually enjoy a ground advantage and you probably lose and finish 4th and never win the flag.

It should be pretty obvious that not playing teams at their preferred home ground is advantage to the away team.

 

[Roobs321]

was depressing listening to 360’s Gerard & Garry on Monday discuss the 4 state games like they were foreign films. They’ve accepted the Showdown is apparently this big deal, but you got the sense they’d never voluntarily watched or called a QClash or H&A Sydney Derby. Partly a Vic telecast thing, but in AFL season #36 and with the 61st Western Derby it felt an indictment on the still Vic-centric AFL media. Meanwhile they circlejerk about Jurassic Parking SoO.

 

[sr36]

Geelong had the objective hardest first half of anyone. We understand the current angst but it's not a lay down misère Collingwood face their masters Geelong in the finals just yet, so keep the faith.

I agree that it's silly to just look at the run home, but you've undoubtedly got the easiest opponents of the 9 teams jostling for final's position.

It's a really distinct top and bottom 9 this year. This is how many double ups the top 9 teams play against the other top 9 teams. Gold Coast with the hardest and the Cats with the easiest:

Gold Coast 6
Brisbane 5
Freo 5
Hawthorn 5
Collingwood 4
GWS 4
Adelaide 3
Dogs 3
Geelong 2

 

[TW Sherrin]

Geelong had the objective hardest first half of anyone. We understand the current angst but it's not a lay down misère Collingwood face their masters Geelong in the finals just yet, so keep the faith.

Rubbish.

Collingwood played 7 last years top 8 before round 10.

 

[STPer18]

Rubbish.

Collingwood played 7 last years top 8 before round 10.

And Geelong play last year's 1st and 2nd in the last month of the season, so we've got the hardest last month, right?

Hardest to easiest first half fixture.

1. Geelong (FDR: 5.7)
2. Western Bulldogs (5.5)
3. Sydney (5.5)
4. Collingwood (5.4)
5. North Melbourne (5.2)
6. West Coast (5.0)
7. Port Adelaide (5.0)
8. GWS Giants (5.0)
9. Adelaide (5.0)
10. Brisbane (5.0)
11. St Kilda (4.9)
12. Melbourne (4.9)
13. Hawthorn (4.9)
14. Essendon (4.8)
15. Gold Coast (4.7)
16. Fremantle (4.6)
17. Richmond (4.5)
18. Carlton (4.5)

 

[TW Sherrin]

And Geelong play last year's 1st and 2nd in the last month of the season, so we've got the hardest last month, right?

Hardest to easiest first half fixture.

1. Geelong (FDR: 5.7)
2. Western Bulldogs (5.5)
3. Sydney (5.5)
4. Collingwood (5.4)
5. North Melbourne (5.2)
6. West Coast (5.0)
7. Port Adelaide (5.0)
8. GWS Giants (5.0)
9. Adelaide (5.0)
10. Brisbane (5.0)
11. St Kilda (4.9)
12. Melbourne (4.9)
13. Hawthorn (4.9)
14. Essendon (4.8)
15. Gold Coast (4.7)
16. Fremantle (4.6)
17. Richmond (4.5)
18. Carlton (4.5)

Did Collingwood play finals last year?

And given Collingwood have Adelaide, Brisbane and Hawthorn thats another no.

 

[STPer18]

Did Collingwood play finals last year?

Concession accepted.

 

[Mr Meow]

I am shocked - shocked I tell you - to find a flock of Magpies squawking about how easy Geelong have it in here again.