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[Dard Ball Get]

IF THIS IS ACCURATE ***

We literally have the majority of our best players and future out of contract at the end of 2027. Including Ross himself & now Hall with rumours Windy is signing a 2 year deal and potentially Nas

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With our renaming to the
St.asmania Devil Saints any new contract will have to wait for the new letterhead to arrive

 

[beside the seaside]

Someone at this event is heavily implying Nas is signing on a deal longer than 2 years.

This person is also a player sponsor of one of our biggest talents.

Where were they implying this?

 

[TheJackal]

Leek, Isaac and Nas were all part of the Crows NGA

Leek was aligned to Centrals, Isaac to North and Nas to Glenelg

Leek was available to Adelaide to match at the draft as his parents are from Africa. Isaac was available to match as an indigenous player from a regional zone in Adelaide catchment (Port Augusta)

While Nas due to his junior club Glenelg, was part of Adelaide's NGA, he wasn't available to match at the draft as he was zoned in the Adelaide metro area. Neither SA clubs have access to indigenous players from the metro area.

In another post you mentioned that Isaac was kicked out or fell out of the Adelaide NGA. The only place I've ever heard this is on this board (twice now)

There are plenty of posters on the Adelaide board still active with the SANFL clubs they grew up with. Never heard 1 of them mention it. And there were plenty on the Adelaide board who would've been stoked for Adelaide to draft him.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like nonsense to me

I dont have concrete information and sometimes my memory fails me. I was under the impression that the Crows did not nominate Keels prior to the draft. Whether that was because they anticipated a top 40 bid or whether they thought he was lazy I dont know - but I'm sure he couldn't have gone to Adelaide due to the lack of nomination. Happy to be proven wrong as I'm only going off second hand info.

 

[PandaG]

All signs and credible reporting point to the most obvious answer, that Nas is torn and legitimately hasn’t made up his mind yet.

Another scenario is that he has, but is playing it close to the vest to keep all parties interested and drive up the price (which would be good business and a huge success to this point).

Scenario 3 says he wants to get traded, but only if a fair deal can be reached behind closed doors.

In any case, my point is anyone claiming they know for sure what he’s doing is utterly full of shite, or parroting someone else who is utterly full of shite.

I know it sucks to be in limbo but best just settle in, could be here a while longer (god I hope not though)

I think it is - Scenario 3 says he wants to get traded, but only if a fair deal can be reached behind closed doors.

Port will be scrambling to find a way, but eventually NAS will realize the two years is the only option. Port ****ed up trading away their picks.

Again, while on the surface it works, it is really bad business. I said it yesterday, NAS will never be worth more than he is today.

So the advice should 100% be sign the ten-year deal; if you want to move in two years, move while under contract. Port will still need 2-3 first-rounders, or if his form slips/injury, they may need less.

While Clayton Oliver and NAS are poles apart as people, it is a good example of how wrong it could have gone for Clayton.

Oliver signs mid 2022 - 8 years at 1.5mil, today he is still getting paid 1.5 and 1.7 next year, even with his recent form drop and off field history. ALTERNATIVELY Oliver signs 2 year deal mid 2022 - 2 years at 1.5 mil, issues off field mid/end 2023. No contract at Melb no contract anywhere else at the end of the 2023, career effectively over.


Ben W. on the surface seems like he is doing well, but in fact, if NAS doesn't take the big 10-year contract, he is doing his man a massive disservice.

Those saying Ben W has done well here is also correct short term but might do his eventual undoing because no doubt a player's manager will come into discussions when looking to trade in or recruit young talent. If Ben W manages them, they will move past him.

I don't know anything about player managers but I assume players pick their managers on reputation and proven ability to get the best possible deal at any club at any time their opportunity comes up.

 

[PeterSalt]

Keeler was never kicked out of the Adelaide academy. He felt it was better for him to play SANFL and also felt Adelaide didn't rate him which was borne out when Adelaide chose Billy Dowling at 43 with Keeler going the next pick to the Saints

Our NGA's aren't playing games every weekend.

They all predominately play for the SANFL club they're aligned with.

We don't have a Coates Talent League either. So again, they play for their schools and/or their SANFL club.

Sure there were questions over Keeler. The reality is our list desperately needed players in other areas of the ground. At the time we had plenty of talls

 

[bwardi]

Anyone got a recap of what Delena and Bassett said about Nas at the function today?

 

[PeterSalt]

I dont have concrete information and sometimes my memory fails me. I was under the impression that the Crows did not nominate Keels prior to the draft. Whether that was because they anticipated a top 40 bid or whether they thought he was lazy I dont know - but I'm sure he couldn't have gone to Adelaide due to the lack of nomination. Happy to be proven wrong as I'm only going off second hand info.

Nominating as far as I know is only a father/son exercise? Could be wrong

Reality is that twice on this board I've read that there was some sort of falling out. It's just plain nonsense

 

[CaptainRisky]

I suspect that Hall's manager would prefer it this way, for if Hall continues on with his recent form he will get a monster contract in 2 year's time.

I had a brief chat with Sinclair today and told him that I thought Hall was a lot like him in his ability to make quick good decisions and to then execute that with very good disposals. Mentioned to Sincs that I rated them both along with Nas as the best three in the Club at present in this regard. Now it was a member's function and I was just a random talking to Sinclair, but Sinclair by his response seemed to concur on how good Hall is.

 

[Schwarzes_Goal]

I suggest anyone who is dissapointed in the 2 year deal for Hall get used to it.
Anyone with an ounce of confidence in their ability signing a deal now would be mad to go over 2 years with Tassie coming in to the comp in 2028.
Even if they have no intention of ever going to Tasmania the fact that they enter the player market at the end of 2027 will inflate all contracts signed in that period.

 

[phantom13]

I’d argue that if you have set a deadline or agreed with his agent that we need an answer by X.

And you don’t get ANY answer. That in itself is one.

At some point Nas needs to make a choice. Because as we have discussed to death - him leaving would mean negotiating the biggest trade since Judd (without free agency or newly created expansion clubs) needing to be negotiated.

Is that what’s happened?

First time I’ve seen it suggested any deadline or agreement on a date and if Nas and Williams decided to wait to max his value then they’ve been smart.

 

[Minga]

IF THIS IS ACCURATE ***

We literally have the majority of our best players and future out of contract at the end of 2027. Including Ross himself & now Hall with rumours Windy is signing a 2 year deal and potentially Nas

St Kilda Saints AFL Player Contracts

Details of AFL player contracts for the St Kilda Saints.

www.footywire.com

Only King, Higgins and Owens are signed on beyond 2027.

I’m sure most (that aren’t delisted) will extend between now and 2027.

Cleary 2027 is the year a lot of the KPI’s are revolving around though within the footy department in general.

 

[Joffaboy]

Don't know how NWM escapes criticism here and it is all the managers fault.

If it is not about money why is he waiting to sign?
All the talk is squeezing every cent out of the Saints.
To me that is about money and to make the excuse it is all Williams fault is a cop out. NWM can say this minute, 1.4 x 2 is enough, let's get it done,but hadn't.
The manager is doing his client what is best financial and NAZ would take his advice,but also the manager would have to do what his client wants.
Not all and good to assign blame to only one party when there are two involved.
Think I am up to the anger stage of grief.

 

[PandaG]

IF THIS IS ACCURATE ***

We literally have the majority of our best players and future out of contract at the end of 2027. Including Ross himself & now Hall with rumours Windy is signing a 2 year deal and potentially Nas

St Kilda Saints AFL Player Contracts

Details of AFL player contracts for the St Kilda Saints.

www.footywire.com

Not a bad thing. Allows the club to have a line of sight on development and growth. Prioritize the top-end talent end of 2026. Cut anyone that doesn't improve our chance of winning a flag. At 100 games you are the player you are going to be. If Hall is the same player at the end of 2026 that he has been in the last month, he will get his big contract.

My assumption here however is the club is working on this all year, with every player on every contract.

 

[okeydoke7]

Philipou is also closing in on a longer term deal (until 2030) but that hasn’t been signed quite yet as far as I’m aware.

Let’s get this Nas thing done. Very worrying to get to this stage of the year.

 

[stavro#4]

Nominating as far as I know is only a father/son exercise? Could be wrong

Reality is that twice on this board I've read that there was some sort of falling out. It's just plain nonsense

From memory I thought you guys just didn’t rate him. You had very soft academy matching rules back then and he went at the ass end of the draft.

 

[stfan]

Everyone interprets things differently, eg the most recent RTB presser.

I wonder whether any other posters were at this function who may have viewed the comments differently.

I think it is more that they still do not know which way it is going. Which at least to me this late in the piece is concerning.

It could just be that we are keeping a bit of a lid on things until it can be formally announced

I certainly do not think it is this.

Dilena's crack on Williams this morning would not have been said this was the case IMO.

 

[Joffaboy]

Our NGA's aren't playing games every weekend.

They all predominately play for the SANFL club they're aligned with.

We don't have a Coates Talent League either. So again, they play for their schools and/or their SANFL club.

Sure there were questions over Keeler. The reality is our list desperately needed players in other areas of the ground. At the time we had plenty of talls

Fair enough. Just relaying info I got from the father of an Adelaide NGA player at the time he was drafted.
He cold PM'ed me, so could have been total bs, but over the course of the conversation he sounded genuine.
I have no problems Adelaide looking elsewhere. We didn't select two or three NGA last draft period either.
Keeler is still a project player, shows some skill but has a long way to go. I have no idea what Adelaide required at the time and my post wasn't a criticism of Adelaide.
Anyway go well and good luck in the finals, the Crows are playing an exciting brand.

 

[jimmytigs]

11 pages behind as is normal in these naz days

but loved what i heard on gettable about Pou,totally invested in the saints,deal imminent

if and lets hope not,but if naz leaves im all for taking as gooda deal we can get for him,sucking it up,captaining wilkie for 2026 and beyond,with a view to hand over to the pou when the time comes after hearing that & getting right behind him with support & the cash

it was a bright moment in worrying times

i still dont think he is cruel enough to do what he did on sunday & leave us

that would be akin to

tying me to a chair in an empty room and piping whitney houston for 12 hours
kellie underwood doing 9 games every weekend
watching daniel craigs bond movies
being served crispy bacon
hearing the word rooting used american style
tipping culture
living in melbourne mid june to mid september
forced to stay in a gogo bar whos dj plays f f mf n n n f f mf mf n n n f f mf incessantly
watching an aflw game without beeson/brennan/o'dwyer/patrikios/saint/prespakis(cats)/rowbottom/molloy/blackburn
returned to a world where cigarette smoke and now vape can be blown all over you without smashing the cxxxx face
afl footy shows to use cooney a.lynch underwood g.lyon and a returning mark robinson only,with peter landy and peter mckenna to return

 

[Sully111]

Don't know how NWM escapes criticism here and it is all the managers fault.

If it is not about money why is he waiting to sign?
All the talk is squeezing every cent out of the Saints.
To me that is about money and to make the excuse it is all Williams fault is a cop out. NWM can say this minute, 1.4 x 2 is enough, let's get it done,but hadn't.
The manager is doing his client what is best financial and NAZ would take his advice,but also the manager would have to do what his client wants.
Not all and good to assign blame to only one party when there are two involved.
Think I am up to the anger stage of grief.

Said for a while Nas has a say in this. It's all well and good to just say deal with my manager but as you say, at any point he can act in good faith to the club and sign.
I honestly think the money we've offered the likes of TDK has possibly affected the mindset of a few, but still, the point stands.

 

[jh38]

Thought Clark looked good when he went back on Sunday

Played his best footy in 2020 at half back, should've never moved from there.

 

[_Maximus_12]

2 year deals also align to better pay days for the player down the line.
For example, if Windhager is on the outter for our midfield in 2 years time it’s very realistic to think Tasmania would offer him a significant contract to pull him to the club.
I hope all of the big contracts we are offering are front ended, because we’re bound to lose some talent in two years time.

 

[Veer Right]

2 years for Hall is a pretty shit go so i can only imagine we lowballed him. Yeah way to go SOS.

 

[Mowman]

Don't know how NWM escapes criticism here and it is all the managers fault.

If it is not about money why is he waiting to sign?
All the talk is squeezing every cent out of the Saints.
To me that is about money and to make the excuse it is all Williams fault is a cop out. NWM can say this minute, 1.4 x 2 is enough, let's get it done,but hadn't.
The manager is doing his client what is best financial and NAZ would take his advice,but also the manager would have to do what his client wants.
Not all and good to assign blame to only one party when there are two involved.
Think I am up to the anger stage of grief.

Nas job to set himself up for life after football, why should he take 1.4 when TDK is getting 1.7 and Rowell was offered 2mill. Much better player than those 2

His manager has done nothing wrong apart trying to get the best deal for his client

 

[PeterSalt]

From memory I thought you guys just didn’t rate him. You had very soft academy matching rules back then and he went at the ass end of the draft.

On 1 hand, I've posted before that were questions over his hunger for the contest. He's always been kind of laconic.

On the other we drafted Thilthorpe 2 years earlier and had plenty of talls on our list at the time. We desperately needed tp find players to fill holes in other parts of the list

The questions over leek Allir were around his kicking. That's still a problem for him.

 

[stavro#4]

I think it is more that they still do not know which way it is going. Which at least to me this late in the piece is concerning.


I certainly do not think it is this.

Dilena's crack on Williams this morning would not have been said this was the case IMO.

The crack from Dilena is because the club believe the hold up is purely Williams

The clubs belief/understanding is Nas wants to stay