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[stfan]

In positive news Misson stated that Keeler has now commenced doing more work gym work aimed at improving his strength. This in addition to his other training.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Done plenty of those sort of things, and no-one other than the psychopaths that seem to occupy the CEO seats of a lot of corporations seem to actually like them. Most people prefer something simpler, and just enjoy the better class of booze being served.

Funny you mention that as this came up on my Facebook feed yesty. I think most people (and I certainly was, until pretty recently) are completely oblivious to just how many peeps with serious psychological disorders- like psychopathy, sociopathy and narcissism- are all around us in society. Nor how to deal with them effectively.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

The whinging never ends

 

[stavro#4]

Someone needs to let nas know that the water back in SA makes you stupid.

 

[_Maximus_12]

It wasn’t so long ago that we offered long term contracts on big money to the likes of Billings, Gresham, Dunstan & Coffield before they’d even established themselves.

I’m okay with 2 year contracts until the body of work is sustained.

 

[The Jack]

The whinging never ends

I agree. The the club should ease up for a while.

 

[sainter7]

would've liked a longer contract

Likely his choice, if he keeps playing well he'll be getting paid much more in 2 years

 

[Joffaboy]

Nas job to set himself up for life after football, why should he take 1.4 when TDK is getting 1.7 and Rowell was offered 2mill. Much better player than those 2

His manager has done nothing wrong apart trying to get the best deal for his client

Don't think I implied the manager wasn't doing his job.
More my post was pointing out that this board is scapegoating the manager and NWM is being led by the nose.
I don't think anything could be further from the truth.
Never bought in that 'its not about money' that is plain bs.
Also I have posted in the past that trumpeting to the world 1.7 for a middling ruckman would have pricked up the managers ears.
My point is that Williams is not the devil and NAZ is not the naive indigenous kid being led like a sheep.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Don't know how NWM escapes criticism here and it is all the managers fault.

If it is not about money why is he waiting to sign?
All the talk is squeezing every cent out of the Saints.
To me that is about money and to make the excuse it is all Williams fault is a cop out. NWM can say this minute, 1.4 x 2 is enough, let's get it done,but hadn't.
The manager is doing his client what is best financial and NAZ would take his advice,but also the manager would have to do what his client wants.
Not all and good to assign blame to only one party when there are two involved.
Think I am up to the anger stage of grief.

This has dragged on for far too long and I agree I dont think any one party can carry all the blame.

Nas is being torn between his loyalty to his family and the St Kilda FC. There is no doubt he loves the club, kids dont play like he does without a genuine love of his team mates and club. But there is obviously the pull of being close to family, child hood freinds and returning home to Adelaide.

Port are just the vessel to get him home if he decides to leave...either way Im sick and tired of the speculation. If he is leaving I wished players/managers etc would just come out and say they want to return home and stop playing everyone along for entire seasons.

 

[True Believer]

Funny you mention that as this came up on my Facebook feed yesty. I think most people (and I certainly was, until pretty recently) are completely oblivious to just how many peeps with serious psychological disorders- like psychopathy, sociopathy and narcissism- are all around us in society. Nor how to deal with them effectively.

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Yeah, was aware of the 20% number. The lack of empathy and ability to fake sincerity and throw people under the bus as needed have been cited previously as traits that help achieve corporate success.......worked once with a guy that got away with embezzling $250k in 3 years, and still denied it as they were showing him the books that proved his guilt!! Treated his subordinates like personal servants, and lied through his teeth with a straight face every time he opened his mouth...... a year later I read the first report on corporate psychopaths, and he could have been their case study!

 

[Mat Mann]

To be fair i did say its a stupid story all the way around.

I think the angle is that weve misread what Nas values, he doesnt want to be wined and dined and given wristys by creepy old white dudes just give him his 2m a year and let him spend it on his family and building orphanges in third world countries etc.

AGAIN, its a stupid ****in story but painting the indigenous kid from the backwaters of the bush as being uncomfortable in the rich white surroundings and the saints "not getting it" is the obvious angle to me.

The whole thing is bullshit. Just look at that made-up picture

not sure how many have talked to Bassat, I've had couple of chats at the club and another at a game, just inane fan stuff, but he doesn't strike me as a bloke who is likely to show off his wealth in an opulent manner like that picture portrays, seems rather down to earth to me, plus Ross was there, so there's a gurantee it's not going to be an extravagant and classy affair, but peeps losing thier shits over it is funny as hell. Ross even told us this sort of thing is what the club needs to be doing more of...

What a media beat-up by a grub of a bloke (Tom Morris)

 

[aussierulesrules]

Don't know how NWM escapes criticism here and it is all the managers fault.

If it is not about money why is he waiting to sign?
All the talk is squeezing every cent out of the Saints.
To me that is about money and to make the excuse it is all Williams fault is a cop out. NWM can say this minute, 1.4 x 2 is enough, let's get it done,but hadn't.
The manager is doing his client what is best financial and NAZ would take his advice,but also the manager would have to do what his client wants.
Not all and good to assign blame to only one party when there are two involved.
Think I am up to the anger stage of grief.

Exactly. If this was a situation where we had a bottomless pit of money then it would be fair enough for Nas to try to squeeze every dollar he can out of us, but every dollar he does squeeze out of us is a dollar we then don’t have to offer to other blokes, who could HELP NAS BE PART OF A PREMIERSHIP!

If it wasn’t for that, I’m sure we’d gladly offer him more, but every AFL player talks about how all that really matters is a premiership, which is precisely why a guy like Bont- who could get $2mil on the open market- signed recently for reportedly the same about as the vastly inferior LDU.

It doesn’t matter if we’re offering guys from other clubs more, because that’s what we HAVE TO DO, in order to have any chance of getting them to our club to help Nas and his mates win a flag.

Sure we could just overpay our own blokes and not land any big fish from other clubs, but we’ve tried that before (with Gresham, Billings and co) and it got us nowhere.

And if we’re offering him say $1.5mil x 2, he’s still likely to make FAR more in the long run than if he signs for say $1.6 x 8 at Port.

Because if he continues his current trajectory, he could potentially sign somewhere for $2mil x 7 in two years time.

Leaving him potentially millions better off in the long run than if he signs for 8 years somewhere now.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Funny you mention that as this came up on my Facebook feed yesty. I think most people (and I certainly was, until pretty recently) are completely oblivious to just how many peeps with serious psychological disorders- like psychopathy, sociopathy and narcissism- are all around us in society. Nor how to deal with them effectively.

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Yep sociopathy is almost a requirement at the very top end of town. No sane person could do what they have to do lol

 

[St Neil]

I think it is - Scenario 3 says he wants to get traded, but only if a fair deal can be reached behind closed doors.

Port will be scrambling to find a way, but eventually NAS will realize the two years is the only option. Port ****ed up trading away their picks.

Again, while on the surface it works, it is really bad business. I said it yesterday, NAS will never be worth more than he is today.

So the advice should 100% be sign the ten-year deal; if you want to move in two years, move while under contract. Port will still need 2-3 first-rounders, or if his form slips/injury, they may need less.

While Clayton Oliver and NAS are poles apart as people, it is a good example of how wrong it could have gone for Clayton.

Oliver signs mid 2022 - 8 years at 1.5mil, today he is still getting paid 1.5 and 1.7 next year, even with his recent form drop and off field history. ALTERNATIVELY Oliver signs 2 year deal mid 2022 - 2 years at 1.5 mil, issues off field mid/end 2023. No contract at Melb no contract anywhere else at the end of the 2023, career effectively over.


Ben W. on the surface seems like he is doing well, but in fact, if NAS doesn't take the big 10-year contract, he is doing his man a massive disservice.

Those saying Ben W has done well here is also correct short term but might do his eventual undoing because no doubt a player's manager will come into discussions when looking to trade in or recruit young talent. If Ben W manages them, they will move past him.

I don't know anything about player managers but I assume players pick their managers on reputation and proven ability to get the best possible deal at any club at any time their opportunity comes up.

Excellent summation.

Craig Hutchison said on Agenda Setters that NWM’s manager has missed a trick here and isn’t getting the best deal for his client.

Using the logic you have, Hutchison said he expects NWM to sign a contract with St Kilda for longer than 2 years for guaranteed money. Hutchison didn’t seem to like the idea of a short term contract with an extended option the player’s way.

I rate Hutchison. In terms of understanding the business of football he is very astute.

Hutchison also said the only way PA can facilitate a trade now is to convince Butters to be traded at the end of this year. Then use Butters as part of a swap for NWM, or to pass the draft picks on to St Kilda if Butters is traded to another club.

I thought it was very interesting to hear that view.

 

[Lightsxo]

The outward perception if Nas leaves will be awful.

It will be 2 seasons in a row where a player leaves.

Add to the fact we’re wildly overpaying for a good-very good ruck.

The media will pot us endlessly. We don’t appear to have our house in order but we’re overpaying for not top end talent etc etc.

Very grim.

 

[SainterinSydney]

It wasn’t so long ago that we offered long term contracts on big money to the likes of Billings, Gresham, Dunstan & Coffield before they’d even established themselves.

I’m okay with 2 year contracts until the body of work is sustained.

Imagine if we had given Ben Paton a massive contract after his purple patch

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Someone at this event is heavily implying Nas is signing on a deal longer than 2 years.

This person is also a player sponsor of one of our biggest talents.

Was his name Anthony???

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Excellent summation.

Craig Hutchison said on Agenda Setters that NWM’s manager has missed a trick here and isn’t getting the best deal for his client.

Using the logic you have, Hutchison said he expects NWM to sign a contract with St Kilda for longer than 2 years for guaranteed money. Hutchison didn’t seem to like the idea of a short term contract with an extended option the player’s way.

I rate Hutchison. In terms of understanding the business of football he is very astute.

Hutchison also said the only way PA can facilitate a trade now is to convince Butters to be traded at the end of this year. Then use Butters as part of a swap for NWM, or to pass the draft picks on to St Kilda if Butters is traded to another club.

I thought it was very interesting to hear that view.

They'll be hoping Butters can be convinced to go to Essendope so their two top ten picks (maybe 3) can be sent our way.

 

[bergholt]

Doesn't mean that it can't though.

All the reports say that Nas loves the club... I doubt he wants to leave the club and his mates up shi*tcreek with some trash as picks.

So if push comes to shove and neither SA club steps up to the plate, surely he just comes back and plays with us - in the scenario of him asking for a trade

Maybe, hopefully, doubt it personally tho

 

[SainterinSydney]

Was his name Anthony???

Anthony 74?

 

[stavro#4]

Excellent summation.

Craig Hutchison said on Agenda Setters that NWM’s manager has missed a trick here and isn’t getting the best deal for his client.

Using the logic you have, Hutchison said he expects NWM to sign a contract with St Kilda for longer than 2 years for guaranteed money. Hutchison didn’t seem to like the idea of a short term contract with an extended option the player’s way.

I rate Hutchison. In terms of understanding the business of football he is very astute.

Hutchison also said the only way PA can facilitate a trade now is to convince Butters to be traded at the end of this year. Then use Butters as part of a swap for NWM, or to pass the draft picks on to St Kilda if Butters is traded to another club.

I thought it was very interesting to hear that view.

I deal with Hutchy for work.

Very shrewd operator. Very cut throat when required to.

Also very fat

 

[Lightsxo]

Imagine if we had given Ben Paton a massive contract after his purple patch

Wasn’t a purple patch.

He was a lower ceiling but more consistent version of Dmac. Have no doubts if Roughead didn’t attempt to assassinate him he would be playing ahead of Stock or Webster.

Tough as nails, decent mark and kick. Genuinely career altering tackle.

 

[Linton Street Saint]

Excellent summation.

Craig Hutchison said on Agenda Setters that NWM’s manager has missed a trick here and isn’t getting the best deal for his client.

Using the logic you have, Hutchison said he expects NWM to sign a contract with St Kilda for longer than 2 years for guaranteed money. Hutchison didn’t seem to like the idea of a short term contract with an extended option the player’s way.

I rate Hutchison. In terms of understanding the business of football he is very astute.

Hutchison also said the only way PA can facilitate a trade now is to convince Butters to be traded at the end of this year. Then use Butters as part of a swap for NWM, or to pass the draft picks on to St Kilda if Butters is traded to another club.

I thought it was very interesting to hear that view.

I don't particularly like the bloke but he is one of a select few who actually have a ****ing brain or are capable of critical thinking in the AFL media landscape atm.

 

[Sainter88]

Anthony 74?

Tony is really Tony Soprano, take it to the bank. Truckload of gabagool coming his way

 

[TheJackal]

I take it you haven’t been keeping up to date with Fabrizio of late

Fab's a tap in merchant