Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[Grin]

Pies play 6 interstate games. In a 24 round season you would expect to get 2 in the last 8 weeks and that's what they got.

If they backend all their interstate games you would be complaining their cushy start to the season has enabled them to get clear on top of the ladder and rest their stars from interstate games leading into finals.

From memory, that's what happened with Richmond. The howls of outrage were deafening when Richmond MCG games were a bit front ended in 2018. Then when the AFL caved in to the infernal whinging, the tears and gnashing of teeth just got louder.
They'll always whinge and moan and bitch and complain, even when they're gifted what they demand and feel entitled to. It's a cultural thing, this unwavering inferiority complex and chip on their shoulder about Melbourne.

 

[Grin]

If they're gifted a priority pick at the end of the first round, as they seem to be demanding, they'll whinge endlessly that it's a vAFL conspiracy that it's a weak draft this year.
If you ask why they think they should be rescued by the vAFL 7 years after a premiership? They'll scream in your face the they're entitled to it.

 

[sr36]

Dude a couple of comments up sounded like a marginalised Muslim Uyghur, was enough to bring tears to the eyes hearing that tale of persecution.

Listening to years of one team centric local media in their fishbowl has turned some of their brains to mush, makes it harder to sympathise with once you understand they don’t really care about fair for others, just fairer for me.

And the things he was complaining about:

WA teams travelling in preseason. WCE played 1 game in Perth and one in Bunbury. Freo played both in Perth.

Small Vic teams "selling" home games to the MCG. What? Doesn't happen. Unless he's talking about the Dogs requesting their 100 year celebration there?

 

[kranky al]

It'a comical that WCE fans think that they're the underdog with the cards stacked against them. The ratio of clubs in each state has gifted WCE an enormous fan base and all the benefits that brings as well as a significant recruiting advantage. Which has played a big part in them being the equal second most successful club of the AFL era.

It’s not a gift.

When suburban comps become big national comps they only have a few in each city…. That way you don’t end up with clubs on perma-drips….


They don’t take all of one city’s clubs and make a comp around that…. Only the most parochial navel gazing auto fellating cities do things like that

 

[kranky al]

If they're gifted a priority pick at the end of the first round, as they seem to be demanding, they'll whinge endlessly that it's a vAFL conspiracy that it's a weak draft this year.
If you ask why they think they should be rescued by the vAFL 7 years after a premiership? They'll scream in your face the they're entitled to it.

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Or they will say that the priority pick was instigated due to the inequity in the fixture.

With some teams playing teams once and others playing teams twice, the teams that play basket cases twice can get an unfair boost into finals and more importantly top 4.

It makes an unequal fixture even more unequal.

I saw a stat there has been no team as bad as west coast for as long as west coast and not got a pp.

That was 2 years ago.

 

[doppleganger]

And the things he was complaining about:

WA teams travelling in preseason. WCE played 1 game in Perth and one in Bunbury. Freo played both in Perth.

It is pretty easy to think you have it rough when you are just making up crap and basing your whinging off the bullshit.

AFL rarely fixture the WA teams outside of WA in pre-season., and if they do they give them the short trip to SA / NT.

WC pre-season fixtures

2025, 1 in WA v North
2024, 1 in SA v Adel
2023, 1 in WA v Adel
2022, 1 in WA v Freo
2021, 1 in WA v Freo
2020, 2 in WA, v Freo & Dons
2019 2 in WA, v Freo & Cats
2018 2 in WA, v Freo & Port
2017 2 in WA, v Freo & Dees and 1 in NSW v GWS
2016 2 in WA, v Dons & Suns and 1 in SA v Adel
2015 2 in WA, v Blues & Freo and 1 in SA v PA

Of their last 20 pre-season fixtures, 16 have been in WA, 3 in SA and just 1 over on East coast.

But the he thinks the AFL ain't looking after them enough.

 

[demondavey]

The Muppets even note "there’s nothing you can do about geography" but they think the AFL should give them extra advantages because of geography anyway!

Geography isn't an all AFL problem, it is a WA problem.

If WA wants to enter a team to play in an Australian competition, they will travel further than the other teams, an absolute nonsense to expect the competition to give them.extra home games.

They are re-introducing the Perth Bears in 2027 in the NRL, wonder if the Perth Bear fans will also be WA wowsers like Kranky and complain how it is unfair they travel further than other NRL teams?

Also complain that Manly play so many games in NSW, they should be entitled to the same number of games in WA....to make it fair.

And why the **** is the NRL GF in Sydney all the time... unfair that a Perth Bears supporter can't just get a ferry to the NRL GF.

Travel isn’t the issue. It’s what it is. Nothing can be done. What can be done is evening up the draw at the back end of the year to prevent tenant teams running into finals with minimal travel.

I think that’s pretty much all you can ask for in the current landscape.

 

[demondavey]

From memory, that's what happened with Richmond. The howls of outrage were deafening when Richmond MCG games were a bit front ended in 2018. Then when the AFL caved in to the infernal whinging, the tears and gnashing of teeth just got louder.
They'll always whinge and moan and bitch and complain, even when they're gifted what they demand and feel entitled to. It's a cultural thing, this unwavering inferiority complex and chip on their shoulder about Melbourne.

Front or back ended?

In 2018 you travelled once out of the last 9 weeks.

This is exactly my point. You come into finals with virtually no travel. Exactly the same as Collingwood this year. There’s no way that is fair.

 

[sr36]

It’s not a gift.

When suburban comps become big national comps they only have a few in each city…. That way you don’t end up with clubs on perma-drips….


They don’t take all of one city’s clubs and make a comp around that…. Only the most parochial navel gazing auto fellating cities do things like that

The distribution of clubs in the comp gives WCE a significant advantage. Regardless of whether the distribution is ideal or not, it gives you a big financial and recruiting leg up.

 

[sr36]

Travel isn’t the issue. It’s what it is. Nothing can be done. What can be done is evening up the draw at the back end of the year to prevent tenant teams running into finals with minimal travel.

I think that’s pretty much all you can ask for in the current landscape.

There's a pre-finals bye.

 

[Grin]

Front or back ended?

In 2018 you travelled once out of the last 9 weeks.

This is exactly my point. You come into finals with virtually no travel. Exactly the same as Collingwood this year. There’s no way that is fair.

Yep sorry, got the years wrong, it was 2017 when Richmonds MCG Games were front ended and the whinging was deafening. Then when the AFL reversed it, the whinging was deafening.
Then, in 2020, when Richmond played about 1 game at the MCG and travelled a lot more than West Coast, the whinging was still deafening, because suddenly, and for one year only, travel was a massive advantage.

Weagles supporters have always been very angry about Richmond's premierships. They feel their club was entitled to them and have been tirelessly whining and bitching and moaning and complaining ever since.

Rather than angrily complaining that Melbournians aren't working hard enough to gift your club unearned and undeserved flags, perhaps the Weagles could look at themselves and what they have to do to actually earn success. But that's not something you'll ever do. It's a cultural thing that you'll whinge at Melbournians to do it for you.
As it is, you've, yet again got your hands out demanding yet more charity and leg ups from the vAFL. You want to have a draft hand like Richmond's in 2024, but don't want to do the forward planning, hard work or make the sacrifices to achieve it.

 

[Grin]

By the way demondavey
Who won the Premiership in 2018?

 

[demondavey]

By the way demondavey
Who won the Premiership in 2018?

WC beat Collingwood.

Only the second time in about 17 years that a non vic beat a vic.

What’s your point?

 

[demondavey]

There's a pre-finals bye.

Make the bye after the PF

 

[Grin]

WC beat Collingwood.

Only the second time in about 17 years that a non vic beat a vic.

What’s your point?

Ummmm. Back ending games to the minor premier obviously wasn't an advantage in the year your having a good whinge about.

I think you'll find teams that have an easier path to the top 8, tend to do worse in the finals. They don't deserve to be there, or at least not as high on the ladder as they end up being. It's part of the reason non-Melbourne based teams are over represented in finals and under represented in grand finals.

When non-Vic clubs make the grand final against Vic clubs, they win about 50% of the time. It's just that when non-Vic clubs make the finals, they have trouble making the grand final.

Of course I accept that logic and facts that don't fit your entitled victim narrative will be ignored. Which is reasonable, as they create cognitive dissonance.

 

[demondavey]

Ummmm. Back ending games to the minor premier obviously wasn't an advantage in the year your having a good whinge about.

I think you'll find teams that have an easier path to the top 8, tend to do worse in the finals. They don't deserve to be there, or at least not as high on the ladder as they end up being. It's part of the reason non-Melbourne based teams are over represented in finals and under represented in grand finals.

When non-Vic clubs make the grand final against Vic clubs, they win about 50% of the time. It's just that when non-Vic clubs make the finals, they have trouble making the grand final.

Of course I accept that logic and facts that don't fit your entitled victim narrative will be ignored. Which is reasonable, as they create cognitive dissonance.

You lost a PF to a fellow tenant team.

‘When non vic clubs make finals they have trouble making the GF’ - yeah, nah……

2012
2013
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2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2022
2023
2024

Don’t Google terms like cognitive dissonance when your basic facts are, well, basic.

 

[kranky al]

The distribution of clubs in the comp gives WCE a significant advantage. Regardless of whether the distribution is ideal or not, it gives you a big financial and recruiting leg up.

Of course it does.

It should be like that comp wide.

Instead of a handful of clubs dragging the comp down we should have a sustainable amount of clubs pushing the comp to new levels.

It’s really hard to see any argument against this.

Except that one state wants to dominate the landscape at the expense of fairness, efficiency, quality and overall logic.


*looks at the thread title.

*looks at sr36



Recruiting wise its diluted by the travel bug. No one wants to spend 8 hours every second week in a cramped tube for zero extra dollars. Injury issues doubly so.

 

[sr36]

Of course it does.

It should be like that comp wide.

Instead of a handful of clubs dragging the comp down we should have a sustainable amount of clubs pushing the comp to new levels.

It’s really hard to see any argument against this.

Except that one state wants to dominate the landscape at the expense of fairness, efficiency, quality and overall logic.


*looks at the thread title.

*looks at sr36



Recruiting wise its diluted by the travel bug. No one wants to spend 8 hours every second week in a cramped tube for zero extra dollars. Injury issues doubly so.

So you start by conceding that the distribution of clubs gives WCE a significant advantage. Then finish by saying that the distribution of clubs is unfair Vicbias. It's certainly not unfair to WCE. As you pointed out, it gives WCE a significant advantage.

I appreciate your argument from a State vs State pride angle. But it's a club competition - and the WA clubs are the big winners from the way clubs are distributed in the AFL. You know it. I know it. But strangely you carry on as though WCE are somehow disadvantaged by this.

 

[Humblebob]

It’s not a gift.

When suburban comps become big national comps they only have a few in each city…. That way you don’t end up with clubs on perma-drips….


They don’t take all of one city’s clubs and make a comp around that…. Only the most parochial navel gazing auto fellating cities do things like that

The irony is that that auto fellating city is the only reason you are able to come here everyday and complain about things. Without Melbourne we'd all be playing Rugby League

 

[Humblebob]

Of course it does.

It should be like that comp wide.

Instead of a handful of clubs dragging the comp down we should have a sustainable amount of clubs pushing the comp to new levels.

It’s really hard to see any argument against this.

Except that one state wants to dominate the landscape at the expense of fairness, efficiency, quality and overall logic.


*looks at the thread title.

*looks at sr36



Recruiting wise its diluted by the travel bug. No one wants to spend 8 hours every second week in a cramped tube for zero extra dollars. Injury issues doubly so.

Deleting Clubs with a 100 years of History and who did the ground work to make this comp a marketable and viable business?

Fair for me but not for thee.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

So you start by conceding that the distribution of clubs gives WCE a significant advantage. Then finish by saying that the distribution of clubs is unfair Vicbias. It's certainly not unfair to WCE. As you pointed out, it gives WCE a significant advantage.

I appreciate your argument from a State vs State pride angle. But it's a club competition - and the WA clubs are the big winners from the way clubs are distributed in the AFL. You know it. I know it. But strangely you carry on as though WCE are somehow disadvantaged by this.

It is not a club competition, the VFL made that very clear when they would not accept clubs into their expanded league.
All AFL teams are now franchises, you can think your members have voting rights and could vote the boot studder in as president but the reality is you cannot.
Big business run by big businessman is the AFL now. The members are more sponsors now than members and have less say than ever. In fact they have pretty much no say.

 

[Humblebob]

Starting to think i have the beginnings of plan:

W.A thumbs their nose at the AFL and the rest of the country and leave.
Succeeds from Australia and installs Twiggy, Gina or Clive as President and commander in chief of the Western Oceania Mining Corporation.
Becomes the Dubai of the South and starts their own sporting leagues and national competition with 6 teams in greater Perth and more scattered throughout the great mining nation.
Fulfils their big fish in small pond mentality and general sense of self importance.

Years later Broome becomes a wealthy club because of it's great standard of living, and lack of competition in the area. They start complaining about the travel, being so far from where the competition was formed and cultivated in it's infancy, and the fact that they have to play all their Grand Finals at Optus Stadium because it is the only fit stadium to hold such a momentous occasion annually.
Other team's who feel similarly slighted start following this lead and join the growing Anti-Perth sentiment in despair.
Someone starts a Western Oceania Big Footy.
Perth-Bias thread is started for people to vent their collective frustrations.

 

[kranky al]

When non-Vic clubs make the grand final against Vic clubs, they win about 50% of the time. It's just that when non-Vic clubs make the finals, they have trouble making the grand final.

9-5 =4 50%


Just Grin logic.

Of course I accept that logic and facts that don't fit your entitled victim narrative will be ignored. Which is reasonable, as they create cognitive dissonance.

You were saying.

 

[Grin]

You lost a PF to a fellow tenant team.

True. It was our home game but played at a neutral venue.
Just another example of how it's harder for Vic based clubs to make it to a grand final.
Thanks for helping me make my point

‘When non vic clubs make finals they have trouble making the GF’ - yeah, nah……

2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2022
2023
2024

Don’t Google terms like cognitive dissonance when your basic facts are, well, basic.

So you're saying that non-Vic clubs are advantaged in finals as well as the H&A season? Makes sense. They get the same advantage in finals as they do in the H&A season until they make the Grand Final. When they make the Grand final and play against Vic teams, they win about a 50% of the time (although I do admit that, in your mind, it would only be fair if they won 100%of the time). But again, thanks for helping me make my point

Vic bias?
Myth busted

 

[sr36]

It is not a club competition, the VFL made that very clear when they would not accept clubs into their expanded league.
All AFL teams are now franchises, you can think your members have voting rights and could vote the boot studder in as president but the reality is you cannot.
Big business run by big businessman is the AFL now. The members are more sponsors now than members and have less say than ever. In fact they have pretty much no say.