Review Cats into ANOTHER PRELIM (14 of 18) after beating Lions by 38 points

[Generalissimo]

I do worry that a team might try and isolate him and he would exposed, but that certainly didn’t happen last night.

Brisbane haven't got the tall forwards to do that, especially with Hipwood missing.

 

[devilsnap]

Wow, the Cats blew me away. That third quarter in particular, and the way Max Holmes took control of the game, was one of the most amazing performances I've seen from this club. And it wasn't as if Brissie didn't have a crack, play badly, or choke; it was purely that Geelong was the superior side out there. The pressure they brought to the game was elite stuff. Everyone contributed. I can only hope the Cats can keep this up and take it all the way to the end. Brilliantly coached and brilliantly played. Another prelim ahead of us. God, I love this club.

Not sure if previously stated, but just to add some stats to that.

Holmes had 10 disposals (5K, 5H), 330 metres gained and a goal in the 3rd quarter. Huge.

 

[The_Todd07]

Grinch here- I'm going to have a word to Shaun. He needs to cool it, twice he poked someone in the eye.
Passion welcome, not friendly fire!

Avoiding Friendly Fire is covered next semester

 

[MisterMarcus]

The young talent we have is so good. Stephen Wells is so so so so so so good.

We've got so many gems from 'nothing' picks or weird random backgrounds

Atkins - rookie draft
Blicavs - rookie draft, athletics background
Close - rookie draft
J Henry - rookie draft
Zuthrie - rookie draft
Dempsey - rookie draft, basketball background
Miers - Pick 50 something
Humphries - Pick 60 something
Stewart - Pick 40 something bloke from local footy
O'Connor - Irish bloke
Mullin - Irish bloke
Stengle - outside the system doing penance after being dropped by two teams
Martin - delisted free agent

If Kolo was fit he'd be best 23 and he was Pick 40 something.

 

[standupand]

Chris Scott is very smart. Avoided calling out the shocking umpiring. But hinted that the AFL need to look at the laws.

Why should an incident 150 m off the ball result in a free kick at the other end of the ground and certain goal? It wasn't a Free Kick After Disposal situation. Brisbane didn't have the ball. A free kick at the position of the ball would seem fair.

And why is a free kick after a goal paid at the position of the offence? Pay the free kick at the centre circle.

I was actually talking to someone about this a few weeks ago. Little things like that in the rules weirdly fascinate me.

Didn't imagine that it would come and bite us that hard in a final.

Very easy to correct mind you. Like you say- make the free kick (if it's there!!!) to be taken from where the ball is at the time of the indiscretion. After a goal, ball is deemed to be in the centre. After a behind - goal square. Oob - from where it crossed the boundary.

 

[standupand]

I want to know what Smith had planned for his celebration before Mannagh interrupted him.

Looked like it was maybe going to be a wetting your fingers like "reading the magazines" kinda thing.

 

[The_Koulouriotis_Fan]

Nah it’s an add on that doesn’t feel right.. no one sings it, atmosphere drops when it rolls in

It’s not an add on though, it’s original, they just stopped using it, I think Lingy said that Scarlett started singing it back in the day. I like the second verse, can’t see the problem tbh

 

[Sticksman]

Who did the job on Charlie Cameron?

The ghost of Jed Bews

 

[The_Koulouriotis_Fan]

Yeah I loved it when he cold beat Andrews in that marking contest late. He knows he can now

Agree with this, that last quarter he looked like he figured out his advantages against Andrews. Time will tell but hopefully he takes it into the next battle

 

[DanA]

We lost the hit outs 39 to 52 against our dumped vfl part time forward ruck who had zero back up support which is unheard of in the modern game. Some perspective please.

Around the ground he was good. But only marginally better than Fort.

This is a horrible take.

Blitz was a big part of why we were able to dominate clearances. I thought he was significantly more impactful than Fort and one of the keys to our win.

 

[thejester]

I was actually talking to someone about this a few weeks ago. Little things like that in the rules weirdly fascinate me.

Didn't imagine that it would come and bite us that hard in a final.

Very easy to correct mind you. Like you say- make the free kick (if it's there!!!) to be taken from where the ball is at the time of the indiscretion. After a goal, ball is deemed to be in the centre. After a behind - goal square. Oob - from where it crossed the boundary.

But the only reason it's an issue is because the frees were soft. If O'Connor had punched him in the head a free kick where Stengle was would be totally inadequate.

 

[Lana]

Given Brisbane's lack of aerial presence ahead of the ball forced them to be reliant of that the possesion heavy transition play through the corridor, which only worked so well last year as they had the full ground threat, that created the space for them to exploit, this year they tried to exploit without setting up the conditions to do so. Blicavs and SDK's ground level 2nd efforts were top notch, esepcially in the 1st half, we were so negative that they ended up being that big bodied battering ram that move the ball in our favour.

Pre game I though we had to navigate through various filters

Break even in the contest
Avoid Andrews
Forward half pressure

We killed them at the centre clearances, which should have been one of Brisbane's main advantages
While Andrews was dominant, he only took 3 intercept marks, we were +7 in intercpet marks, Stewart and Henry had the day
We beat them around the ground in pressure, not just in the forward half. +19 in post stoppage CP, +16 in tackles

I think Brisbane made a mistake by pressing us high, it kept a lot of our ball movement straight line, and the ground small for us on defense. Our ball movement is much more direct, our midfield has never been one to share it around in close, we get it out and go. Where as Brisbane were doing this tiki-taka thing, a larger ground means a looser zone, which means that a displacement of one player creates even larger gaps. Because we were so compact, it didn't have their desired effect.

Pre-game I didn't appreciate how lobsided Brisbane's team was and how those constraints would limit their play.
Finals are generally won by the more conventionally structually sound team( so long as there is a pinch of class somewhere), as that provides the conditions of a team to play with a variety of different threats, methods to move the ball and score.

 

[Play it Sam]

I don’t think we are at a stage where the coaching group are needing this-they know what Knevitt and Clark provide and will select as needed.

Fans want to see more and want that opportunity to prove they are more than we’ve seen, but the coaching group wouldn’t be thinking an additional 15-20 mins of Clark adds anything.

In my opinion the way we select- A breakout Qtr and he still gets replaced by Duncan or Knevitt if the role required changes in two weeks.

It did seem harsh, but why upset the balance, when Brisbane recently proved they can come back from a fair way out. I'm sure Clark wasn't sidelined wondering without communication from the bosses. Insurance only. Maybe they were being kind with the 2 mins, if he has a dollar trigger clause.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He just looked confused.

He looked like an 85 year old man trying to activate an iPhone.

I didn't get that feeling from him. He knew why they lost and was transparent about it. I thought him quite noble in defeat actually

 

[standupand]

But the only reason it's an issue is because the frees were soft. If O'Connor had punched him in the head a free kick where Stengle was would be totally inadequate.

No the reason it's an issue is that the penalty for a free off the ball is vastly different depending on where the ball is. It can involve taking it from one goalsquare to the other for a simple free kick at the other end of the field. You would have to give away 3 or 4 50m penalties back to back to reach that under normal circumstances.

If O'Connor punched him in the head I'd expect a report and a free kick. Not a 150m penalty.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

No idea why "Bambi", but the 41 games part suggests it must be Mullin.

One person said he was losing his feet like Bambi on an ice lake in one game.

Reference to a throwaway content not a nickname

 

[Gunf]

Who did the job on Charlie Cameron?

Charlie himself otherwise Zuthrie was on him a bit

 

[Lana]

Crazy to think half the side who ran out last night didn't play in the grand final 3 years ago (Bowes, Clark, Dempsey, Holmes, Humphries, Mannagh, Martin, Mullin, Neale, O'Sullivan and Smith).

Who says you need to bottom out to rebuild?

That collectively costs us
A future 3rd
A Future 1st
Pick 10
Pick 20
Nakia Cockatoo

 

[Gunf]

Re-watched that 3rd quarter and Holmes and Smith really did take control especially Holmes.

Bodes well for the next decade when 2 of our younger players take control of a game instead of leaving it to the older blokes.

 

[gogeelongcats]

On another site it says Raynor stood on O'Connors toes before he incident. If so Disgraceful!

How do you adjudicate the game now. When there is a similar incident at the other end of the ground what happens now?

 

[standupand]

Not sure if previously stated, but just to add some stats to that.

Holmes had 10 disposals (5K, 5H), 330 metres gained and a goal in the 3rd quarter. Huge.

Evened up for the 330m gained for Brisbane in around a minute at the end of the second.

 

[catsfootyfan89]

Who did the job on Charlie Cameron?

I could be wrong, but I don't think he had a dedicated matchup. MOC played on him a bit. Stewart sometimes also. With SDK / Blicavs rolling through multiple zones and aiding the ruck, the back half group had to be flexible. The only ones that seemed to have dedicated partners at all times were McCluggage and Rayner?

 

[standupand]

This is a horrible take.

Blitz was a big part of why we were able to dominate clearances. I thought he was significantly more impactful than Fort and one of the keys to our win.

The one who impressed me the most in the ruck I thought was Neale in the f50. Was able to jump over his opponent and give decent advantage to our crumbers up there.

 

[Gunf]

I could be wrong, but I don't think he had a dedicated matchup. MOC played on him a bit. With SDK / Blicavs rolling through multiple zones and aiding the ruck, the back half group had to be flexible. The only ones that seemed to have dedicated partners at all times were McCluggage and Rayner?

We tend to play a rolling defence so Charlie probably had a few different defenders throughout the night.

I noticed Zuthrie on him a bit.

We don't really play man on man except the example you listed in Suitcase and Flopper.

 

[aCunningPlan]

I was actually talking to someone about this a few weeks ago. Little things like that in the rules weirdly fascinate me.

Didn't imagine that it would come and bite us that hard in a final.

Very easy to correct mind you. Like you say- make the free kick (if it's there!!!) to be taken from where the ball is at the time of the indiscretion. After a goal, ball is deemed to be in the centre. After a behind - goal square. Oob - from where it crossed the boundary.

I get what you mean but very bad take. The free kick should always be at the place of greatest advantage, either where the ball is or where the free kick occurred. Otherwise, say there's a quick break and you have some defender outnumbered in the goalsquare...you just grab an opponent's jumper and force a free kick where the ball is 60 metres out from goal rather than ten metres out where the infringement took place. This would actually disadvantage the attacking team.

The rule is fine, the umpiring was poor in this instance and outside the spirit of the game. The key thing is once you pay something you have to be consistent in your application, and with something like the Raynor dive it encourages similar poor behaviour.