Player Watch #12: Jy Simpkin [Part II] - staying at North in 2026 + won't feature in leadership group as Larkey set to be named captain

[GoRoos2023]

Well what is 10000% he can never be in a leadership role at the club now. Trust with the players will be gone.

 

[My Left Foote]

If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, Mohammed will go to the mountain.

 

[kanga kanga kanga]

has to go now, can’t come back to the club even if it’s not true

 

[GoRoos2023]

has to go now, can’t come back to the club even if it’s not true

I agree needs to go now, it’s the captain factor that makes it inconceivable to try and shop yourself around with a 4 year contract at the club because you need more midfield time.

What the worst part is he is risking all of this bad publicity and ruining trust on an absolute gamble that any other team is seriously interested in him with his wage and trade requirements.

It’s worse than Merrett as at least someone is courting Merrett!!

 

[Twinkletoes]

Rightio, Shirley the caller to SEN a couple of minutes ago talking about Jy’s disposal being subpar compared to the kids we’ve brought in to play midfield was one of us?

 

[My Left Foote]

I'm more annoyed at him today.

Something not mentioned is that football works in longer cycles. Clubs plan for 3-5 year+ phases and players deemed critical to those plans are shown faith with longer deals. In turn they're expected to honour them.

Additionally the bloke accepted the role of captain which is supposed to be about buying into the club and sacrificing your individual honours for the collective betterment of the team.

Guys like Simpson, Petrie, Archer, Rawlings, Stevens, Boomer, Carey et al all accepted whatever onfield role they were handed as senior players understanding they are part of a team.

This is a shit look for our club, not to us as rusted ons but to the wider audience and the market. The guy who is meant to be the #1 spruiker and driver of club values on the playing list going and "testing the market" with 4 years left on a deal.

I've always stood up for the guy but as captain pulling this trick I now rate him as a cancer. Cut him out of the club for the best possible trade return and onwards and upwards.

I agree with what you're saying but I can't help think that what we're also seeing is the market shifting. Merrett wants out, Oscar Allen is leaving, Curnow wants out, TDK, Silvagni etc. It's not a great look for us but I don't think it's that bad and certainly not as bad as what it would have been 2 or even 3 years ago.

The AFL is becoming more and more like the Premier League it's becoming more about individual players, their egos and chasing dollars and / or success. I don't think it will ever get to same level as the EPL as the AFL's not a free market and the salary cap will restrict it to only a certain number of players doing this each year but I think what were seeing will become more common, particularly with the introduction of trading picks 2 years in advance.

Also, f*ck Jy get what we can for him player, pick whatever and move on. Trade period hasn't even started yet, there's going to be so much player movement let's make sure we're ready to rock and roll.

 

[William Caresser]

The good sides have guys who can play high half-forward very well when required (eg Geelong and Brisbane with Mannagh, Miers, Close, Rayner, Ah Chee, Bailey, Ashcrofts, Lohman). They get up and back to defend, impact around stoppages when required, zip around with high energy and are dangerous going forward. And have stints on ball.

We have Simpkin, Konstanty, Hansen Jnr, Harvey, Banch and Payne. And then our midfielders when they rest forward. The problem with our mids is they literally rest - do the bare minimum, do not play high half forward well.

So even with his faults, Jy is our best bet at high half forward. The coaches were right to play him there and his concussions may have been a factor.

That's not to say our midfield is particularly good. They won their share of clearances but too many are one-paced and collectively they apply far less pressure than good midfields - Xerri makes them look better than they are in this area.

If Jy stays, it's likely playing 70% at high half forward and you'd think definitely without the captaincy. In that situation, is he going to support the new leadership or continue to be disgruntled and potentially create rifts? How bad have the relationships become with the coach/coaching staff for the captain to want to explore his options? Pretty bad you'd think.

If he does go, who's going to play in the high half forward spots? They're crucial positions that top clubs don't just pay lip service to.

 

[My Left Foote]

Rightio, Shirley the caller to SEN a couple of minutes ago talking about Jy’s disposal being subpar compared to the kids we’ve brought in to play midfield was one of us?

I am Shirley.

EDIT: For clarity this is a poor attempt at a "I am Spartacus" joke, I am not Shirley.

EDIT: Nor am I Spartacus.

 

[My Left Foote]

has to go now, can’t come back to the club even if it’s not true

Oh it be true.

 

[William Caresser]

Started dating a Vegan and now it's all about him. Color me surprised.

Also started playing with a vegan in Luke Parker so maybe that was it?

 

[King Corey]

Rightio, Shirley the caller to SEN a couple of minutes ago talking about Jy’s disposal being subpar compared to the kids we’ve brought in to play midfield was one of us?

Caller went by the name "Huke Lodge" and sounded familiar, but can't figure out who it is.

 

[My Left Foote]

The good sides have guys who can play high half-forward very well when required (eg Geelong and Brisbane with Mannagh, Miers, Close, Rayner, Ah Chee, Bailey, Ashcrofts, Lohman). They get up and back to defend, impact around stoppages when required, zip around with high energy and are dangerous going forward. And have stints on ball.

We have Simpkin, Konstanty, Hansen Jnr, Harvey, Banch and Payne. And then our midfielders when they rest forward. The problem with our mids is they literally rest - do the bare minimum, do not play high half forward well.

So even with his faults, Jy is our best bet at high half forward. The coaches were right to play him there and his concussions may have been a factor.

That's not to say our midfield is particularly good. They won their share of clearances but too many are one-paced and collectively they apply far less pressure than good midfields - Xerri makes them look better than they are in this area.

If Jy stays, it's likely playing 70% at high half forward and you'd think definitely without the captaincy. In that situation, is he going to support the new leadership or continue to be disgruntled and potentially create rifts? How bad have the relationships become with the coach/coaching staff for the captain to want to explore his options? Pretty bad you'd think.

If he does go, who's going to play in the high half forward spots? They're crucial positions that top clubs don't just pay lip service to.

We're putting a lot of faith in an out of form, post injury recovering Paul Spargo but I suspect that's what he was recruited for. Does Brayden George get a chance? Not sure about his tank. Or dare I say it Zane 'The Disgruntled' Duursma.

 

[Gorman2Geister]

Caller went by the name "Huke Lodge" and sounded familiar, but can't figure out who it is.

Also the caller used an interesting metaphor too to describe the situation, saying that the club was stuck between a hip and a point post.

 

[justroyal]

This is the weirdest thread ever.
A lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves for fighting with me for years.

But here we are, where we were supposed to be…

Jy is shit. No one cares.

I was more upset by the Stephenson retirement. That’s ****ed. This could be the most amicable thing the club has had to cut ties with. Even more amicable than Goldie wanting to go onto his 30th season at *.

I reiterate. No one cares about Jy. I’m sure we’ll miss his little pre-game huddle where he got the fellas to put their guernseys on together. Right up there with Tex Walker power stance type of shit.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

has to go now, can’t come back to the club even if it’s not true

Disagree, if it's not true then all parties can unite and categorically state it's not true.

In the more likely event that it is true, then yeah, he has probably burnt the bridge back to the club.

 

[Passmore]

"He knows it'll be a challenge for him to find a new home, given the price, given the contract, given the role, but he has wanted to have a look, regardless" - Twomey on Jy

"No problems, Jyza.

Just to let you know, given these developments, we've started having a look around too. I'm sure you'll understand. WC seem interested in a trade..."

 

[Val Keating]

"He knows it'll be a challenge for him to find a new home, given the price, given the contract, given the role, but he has wanted to have a look, regardless" - Twomey on Jy

Shithouse move to do this without having a club lined up. He should sack Trotter.

 

[Themanbun]

What a clusterfk

 

[Tas]

I'm more annoyed at him today.

Something not mentioned is that football works in longer cycles. Clubs plan for 3-5 year+ phases and players deemed critical to those plans are shown faith with longer deals. In turn they're expected to honour them.

Additionally the bloke accepted the role of captain which is supposed to be about buying into the club and sacrificing your individual honours for the collective betterment of the team.

Guys like Simpson, Petrie, Archer, Rawlings, Stevens, Boomer, Carey et al all accepted whatever onfield role they were handed as senior players understanding they are part of a team.

This is a shit look for our club, not to us as rusted ons but to the wider audience and the market. The guy who is meant to be the #1 spruiker and driver of club values on the playing list going and "testing the market" with 4 years left on a deal.

I've always stood up for the guy but as captain pulling this trick I now rate him as a cancer. Cut him out of the club for the best possible trade return and onwards and upwards.

I was thinking about the leadership aspect this morning, not just Jy but the entire senior group, particular those who were around and in the leadership group when we went **** up during the covid relocation to QLD.

Then I was wondering about Thomas, I don't blame anyone other than Thomas for what he did but thinking about what Gawn did for Olliver when he went on his alleged bender, what Hardwick did for Chopsticks, how Collingwood sorted out DeGoey, how Geelong has turned every bad boy into a disciplined footballer.

Where was our leadership with Thomas. There was nothing we could do to save him from himself? I bet Carko was itching to take his phone off him but he was pretty much cut off at the balls due to the Hawthorn saga.

We kicked Thomas to the curb when he needed support the most. Thomas is still fully at fault for everything he had done, but I felt we could have done a lot more to protect him from himself, like other clubs have done.

It wasn't an accident we became a shit team. We have had teams full of potatoes that performed a lot better. We always had a sense of pride and desire to do whatever it took to be the best we could be.

A lot of shit has happened and has made me question the leadership and character of people who pretty much stood by and let us hit the iceberg and sink, they were comfortable being footballers but had no drive or ambition to be or achieve anything more than that.

We, the club, are at fault for not demanding more and I think we need to take a stand if we have any pride or self-respect to be better than what we have degenerated into.

 

[Horace]

I'm not going to get into the business of speculating on the why's and why not's of Jy's apparent desire to be traded. I'm certainly not going to bag him either. I just wish it wasn't happening but if it is then my thoughts turn to some possible trade options.

Surely *essendon is the team for us to deal with and of course if he goes *there, he will have some mates in the coach, BMac and probably Goldie (why oh why did he choose *them ). So that should work reasonably for Jy. *they of course are going to lose Merrett, *their skipper, to the Hawks, which means *they will get some good compensation one way or another.

If Jy goes *there, *they get our skipper, plus a bloke who can certainly step up in the midfield in Merretts absence.

Presently *they hold picks 4, 5, 22 and 25 in this year's draft. We hold picks 20 and 21. Clearly these picks in the 20's will shuffle down due to compensations for any departing free agents.

My first (feeble) attempt at a trade with *essendon would be Jy plus pick 20 for their Picks 4, 25 and Tsatas. I have no idea if Tsatas is any good, however he was originally Pick 5 in the 2022 Draft. *essendon do not seem to rate him.

Works for me, but doubtless there are better options.

 

[DocSholl]

Amazed that Trotter has let this play out like this. It's a PR nightmare for Jy as it paints him as someone who isnt prepared to play a role for the team

 

[Chip Scab1]

Scum of the earth. They get to do open book exams. They are glorified real estate agents.

I break them down to Commercial/Rest.

The problem is if you have to deal with anything relating to the Family/Federal Circuit... you're scraping bottom of the "Lawyer Barrel". Why anyone would actively want to do that for a living is beyond me. That is akin to those players (bar Parker/Darling) who come to North! (prior to who we trade-in from now on, of course). They're wonderful until they prove otherwise.

What a clusterfk

Hard disagree. 2 years ago, probably.

We're finally acting like the North I love.

 

[Scottroo]

Honestly hope he leaves. He’s a terrible captain

 

[Ashley B]

Yes Jy’s management bringing out his first memoir lol

 

[My Left Foote]

Shithouse move to do this without having a club lined up. He should sack Trotter.

I reckon there's a club/s lined up, the narrative will change, he'll ask for a trade soon and then the next day or two there will be a suitor.