List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Plus we still have edwards and ryan waiting in the wings

I'm worried they'll both be delisted without playing a game

 

[1990crow]

He'd be a fantastic fit imho but internally we see Milera and Laird as half back lock options next season and beyond so McVee wouldn't have realistically been on our radar

By that I mean we have more pressing needs with only so many assets to address them.

Cumming can go to half back.
Edwards and Ryan could be options.
As Dawson ages he could go back.

 

[1970crow]

Well, we were in the mix for flags in the mid 2000s, in the early 2010s and then again in 2017, and this year we were one of the better sides in the comp.

We struggled while rebuilding, exactly as everyone expected us to. Now we seem to have a strong and positive squad that's missing a couple of pieces.

I think the "woe is me" is overstated. We've mostly been an okay second-tier club, with a few who have been better than us. Hopefully we'll now use our advantages in the way we should have the last 15 years and haven't.

The criticism of the philosophies that stopped us winning flags during those ‘contending’ periods still remain. I don’t understand how that’s not patently obvious to people interested in our club. Through process and consistent application of intent we’ll continue to be pretty good minor round performers. But we’re going to continue to fall short when it matters. Our philosophies guarantee this and we absolutely do not have the edge required to win a flag.

 

[kirky]

Zane Duursma, Travaglia, Leo Lombard, Bo Allan, Ryley Sanders, Tholstrup ......

Seriously, how many of those are midfielders?

Think I count one, Zane, the rest are not. And Zane has played 23 games over two years.

Stop proving how clueless you are.

 

[1990crow]

Seriously, how many of those are midfielders?

Pretty funny isn't it.

 

[1970crow]

Or playing Tex in the SANFL or Worrell for a bunch of games. You learn focusing on developing your weaknesses in the lower leagues.

Did it help Fogarty playing other roles in the SANFL? Hard to know - he is a much better footballer now than then, that's clear. Hard to know what contributed to that.

Worrell only got a game because Doedee finally missed through injury. Doedee’s form was bad enough to he dropped, but we don’t operate that way.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Seriously, how many of those are midfielders?

Think I count one, Zane, the rest are not. And Zane has played 23 games over two years.

Stop proving how clueless you are.

I would’ve thought Sanders is and Duursma isn’t?

 

[Mostyn]

Seriously, how many of those are midfielders?

Think I count one, Zane, the rest are not. And Zane has played 23 games over two years.

Stop proving how clueless you are.

Bo Allen, Sanders, Leo Lombard were drafted as midfielders. Duursma and Travaglia are utilities that spent some time in the midfield but a lot of time in other roles. Tholstrop is a forward.

Not sure either of you should call someone else clueless, that seems unnecessary.

 

[kirky]

Bo Allen, Sanders, Leo Lombard were drafted as midfielders. Duursma and Travaglia are utilities that spent some time in the midfield but a lot of time in other roles. Tholstrop is a forward.

Not sure either of you should call someone else clueless, that seems unnecessary.

You might consider unnecessary but his form suggests otherwise.

 

[1970crow]

Draper doesn't need to work on his game any more than other elite picks. He's a bonafide star player who was excellent at junior level and has a boatload of strengths. This idea he's a flawed project player that needs tinkering with in the SANFL is wrong.

And if it was true, why the **** did we take him at pick 4?

Look at the competition's star midfielders. How many of them were top picks (so not project players) and were developed through the reserves?

Just from the last few years All Australian teams
Smith - no
McCluggage - no
Serong - no
Rowell - no
Anderson - no
Daicos - no
Bontempelli - no
Richards - no
NWM - no
Heeney - not really
Bailey - 12 full games first year
Gulden - no
Butters - no
Cripps - yes, but played 20 in year 2
Treloar - no
Rozee - no
Merrett - no
Petracca - no
Oliver - 13 full games first year
Mills - no
Brayshaw - no
Walsh - no
Wines - no
Macrae - 13 full games first year
Parish - no
Adams - no
Boak - no
Dangerfield - not really because of school

There has to be something to this. It's a clear, overwhelming pattern

Dawson?

 

[Mutineer]

 

[Scorpus]

Seriously, how many of those are midfielders?

Think I count one, Zane, the rest are not. And Zane has played 23 games over two years.

Stop proving how clueless you are.

It's irrelevant whether they are midfielders because I was talking about established proven players

For all we know they could be proving the point. Maybe they will fail because they aren't being developed in the AFL

My point is that of the elite players that we do know about, the All Australian types, the vast majority of them were played in the AFL early, especially if they were early draft picks. It's a proven fact.

There is very little evidence that early draft picks become elite players by playing mostly reserves football early. If there are players that fit that bill, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Current evidence I've seen suggests otherwise though

 

[fossilllCrow]

It’s strange that WA supporters and mesdia still think they are a chance

 

[Crow till I die]

Seriously, how many of those are midfielders?

Think I count one, Zane, the rest are not. And Zane has played 23 games over two years.

Stop proving how clueless you are.

Lombard is too?

 

[Slim258]

It's irrelevant whether they are midfielders because I was talking about established proven players

For all we know they could be proving the point. Maybe they will fail because they aren't being developed in the AFL

My point is that of the elite players that we do know about, the All Australian types, the vast majority of them were played in the AFL early, especially if they were early draft picks. It's a proven fact.

There is very little evidence that early draft picks become elite players by playing mostly reserves football early. If there are players that fit that bill, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Current evidence I've seen suggests otherwise though

I’m not convinced Nicks’ choice of experience over youth is Drapers fault.

Interrupted draft year, leading to a limited pre-season. Needs work but so do kids, some get to do it in the one’s, however Crows have always done it through the two’s. Let’s not write off a 19 year old just yet.

 

[1970crow]

Plus we still have edwards and ryan waiting in the wings

To do what? They’ll be delisted soon enough. There’s no spots opening up in our 23, Tex and Smith will be gone, buttresses we’ll be locking in 20 of our last 23 for the next 2 years. Edwards and Ryan won’t be a part of it.

 

[1990crow]

I’m not convinced Nicks’ choice of experience over youth is Drapers fault.

Interrupted draft year, leading to a limited pre-season. Needs work but so do kids, some get to do it in the one’s, however Crows have always done it through the two’s. Let’s not write off a 19 year old just yet.

"Crows have always done it through the twos"

And how has that worked out for us so far?

 

[1970crow]

Couldn’t possibly begrudge the bloke for staying. And ie wouldn’t be a knock on us, leaving your premiership teammates would be very hard work.

 

[Crow till I die]

Lombard is too?

And he'd be right near the top of the list for us to target in my opinion

 

[1970crow]

He didn't look lost when he started. Quite the opposite

As the season wore on, the worse he looked which is the worrying thing to me.

I know a lot of you can’t remember, but Jones started off looking very promising.

 

[spenze]

Seriously, how many of those are midfielders?

Think I count one, Zane, the rest are not. And Zane has played 23 games over two years.

Stop proving how clueless you are.

But it's his schtick

 

[Billy Cart]

I know a lot of you can’t remember, but Jones started off looking very promising.

So did (ducks head) McHenry).

 

[imagifED]

Really need to get a ruck. Some people say Darcy Fort

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Darcy Fort

Age

32

Ht

204cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

2.9

3star

CL

2.9

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

9.2

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.2

2star

CL

3.6

4star

HO

21.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

CL

2.2

4star

HO

15.6

5star

, Rhys Stanley

1

Rhys Stanley

Age

35

Ht

200cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.4

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

27.6

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.5

3star

CL

5.0

5star

HO

21.5

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.4

4star

CL

3.0

5star

HO

33.0

5star

, etc are "nothing special", "average" rucks but they actually contribute, have good coordination and don't inhibit their teams from success. ROB however does not with his tapwork to the opposition, falconing the ball, shinning the ball, getting in the way of handball chains, crowding our forward line etc. We won't win a flag with him.

 

[Doctor B]

Fagan said in his press conference after the Grand Final that he likes to back young players in, and tells them to use their weapons to play to their strengths.

The Brisbane Grand Final team had

Sam Marshall 19
Ty Gallop 19
Levi Ashcroft 19
Logan Morris 20
Darcy Willmott 21
Jaspa Fletcher 21
Will Ashcroft 21
Kai Lohmann 22

 

[crows dude]

Fagan said in his press conference after the Grand Final that he likes to back young players in, and tells them to use their weapons to play to their strengths.

The Brisbane Grand Final team had

Sam Marshall 19
Ty Gallop 19
Levi Ashcroft 19
Logan Morris 20
Darcy Willmott 21
Jaspa Fletcher 21
Will Ashcroft 21
Kai Lohmann 22

Hopefully they can’t afford to keep them all as they get older and we can grab a few