Have Richmond passed North and west coast

[Dr Tigris]

Fair call, and probably Hopper rounding out the quintet.

Our 23-26 year olds are conspicuously sub-par, with the bulk of Tigers supporters faith in the current crop recruited from 2021-2024 (and our two very early picks this year).

Hence we are well behind North, and should at least be significantly behind the Eagles too - not entirely convinced on that latter one though.

Our 23 - 26 years olds looks like having a good crop of solid AFL players, but possibly no stars - Although I have pretty high hopes for Banks and Brown. So they might be a good core group of role players. But that just makes you able to compete, not win things.

North has a good group of young players maturing into above average players.

WC one star and some role players.

Different list profiles there really.

 

[Chip Scab1]

So Richmond are irrefutably ahead of West Coast, considering that the Eagles need charity picks and Richmond don't.

Probably not ahead of North, but will fly past them if North don't finally rise up the ladder next year.

Yeah maybe in 2036!

Norf have at least your next 2 drafts worth of picks still waiting to debut.

Not to mention the 4-5 Mids who project to be better than your "Goat LayLaw".

I find it insulting to be graded alongside Richmond. They are the best part of a decade behind us and losing further ground. We haven't even got to our father sons or NGA yet, that's 2026,2027. That should ensure our future hauls, at least, come close to matching Richmond's.

Our 23 - 26 years olds looks like having a good crop of solid AFL players, but possibly no stars - Although I have pretty high hopes for Banks and Brown. So they might be a good core group of role players. But that just makes you able to compete, not win things.

North has a good group of young players maturing into above average players.

WC one star and some role players.

Different list profiles there really.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Yeah maybe in 2036!

Norf have at least your next 2 drafts worth of picks still waiting to debut.

Not to mention the 4-5 Mids who project to be better than your "Goat LayLaw".

I find it insulting to be graded alongside Richmond. They are the best part of a decade behind us and losing further ground. We haven't even got to our father sons or NGA yet, that's 2026,2027. That should ensure our future hauls, at least, come close to matching Richmond's.

A decade behind is 1 position on the ladder?

 

[Chip Scab1]

A decade behind is 1 position on the ladder?

For you it is, most of your good players are pretty old, most of our good players are babies.

It's gonna be rough like the old days for you, CB.

You got your 3, cherish those memories. I reckon 2050ish for you boys. In fact, $1.38 for you to never see another. I think I'm about $1.68 to never see another, my Dad wants to take that bet as he's convinced he's outliving me.

Enjoy the 2 you probably saw, they were better than 1999. Not quite as good as 1996.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Our 23 - 26 years olds looks like having a good crop of solid AFL players, but possibly no stars - Although I have pretty high hopes for Banks and Brown. So they might be a good core group of role players. But that just makes you able to compete, not win things.

Brown and Banks are both 22.

They’re not who I was referring to.

Our 23-26’s are the likes of Ross, Dow, Ryan, Ralph-Smith and Rioli.

 

[lalorGOAT]

Yeah maybe in 2036!

Norf have at least your next 2 drafts worth of picks still waiting to debut.

Not to mention the 4-5 Mids who project to be better than your "Goat LayLaw".

I find it insulting to be graded alongside Richmond. They are the best part of a decade behind us and losing further ground. We haven't even got to our father sons or NGA yet, that's 2026,2027. That should ensure our future hauls, at least, come close to matching Richmond's.

I want names.

Give me your 2 drafts worth of picks waiting to debut and 4-5 mids who are better than Lalor.

 

[lalorGOAT]

Love the cope.

A team that does not receive priority picks is doing better than a team that does.

Point out a fault in that logic and I will be happy to discuss.

 

[Shueygod]

A team that does not receive priority picks is doing better than a tram that does.

Point out a fault in that logic and I will be happy to discuss.

It suggests that the team has previously done better, not that they will continue to do so.

Look at WC/North last season to this one.

Also have a look at Richmond’s B&F results, seriously dire times ahead.

 

[bzparkes]

A team that does not receive priority picks is doing better than a tram that does.

Point out a fault in that logic and I will be happy to discuss.

Welcome to every WCE supporter last year.

Richmond supporters are just lagging behind.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Brown and Banks are both 22.

They’re not who I was referring to.

Our 23-26’s are the likes of Ross, Dow, Ryan, Ralph-Smith and Rioli.

So not a single top 250 player in the AFL?

I reckon you'll be $1.88 to make the 8 in 2036.

I want names.

Give me your 2 drafts worth of picks waiting to debut and 4-5 mids who are better than Lalor.

The players waiting on debut;
Goad (~20) - much better than CDT
George (~21) would go #1-5 in this draft probably
.......

Players who didn't play final round;

Wardlaw (4) already a star

Duursma (4) not waiting for a debut obviously, but clear run at it
Goater (~20) again not waiting for a debut but clear run at it
Hardeman (~22) already good
Wil Dawson (~21) looks good, actually beat SDarcy for 3 Quarters in his 2nd game.

Our mids who project to be as good or better than your "Hammies" LayLaw;

McKercher
Wardlaw
O'Sullivan
Sheezel
LDU (already better but 27)
...
Arguable but not quite there;
Duursma
Hardeman

Need more evidence? We're shit, you'll do almost everything better than us and will be more attractive to Free Agents (given) but, you're still being carried by your older premiership players and haven't even hit your bottom yet (not fiction).

 

[captain bloodsport]

For you it is, most of your good players are pretty old, most of our good players are babies.

It's gonna be rough like the old days for you, CB.

You got your 3, cherish those memories. I reckon 2050ish for you boys. In fact, $1.38 for you to never see another. I think I'm about $1.68 to never see another, my Dad wants to take that bet as he's convinced he's outliving me.

Enjoy the 2 you probably saw, they were better than 1999. Not quite as good as 1996.

Tim tarnto won our bnf and is only 27, Seth Campbell and Ben miller also in the top 5. Not really old either.
Just because it was rough and still is rough for you, doesn't mean it will be for everyone else.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

So not a single top 250 player in the AFL?

I reckon you'll be $1.88 to make the 8 in 2036.



The players waiting on debut;
Goad (~20) - much better than CDT
George (~21) would go #1-5 in this draft probably
.......

Players who didn't play final round;

Wardlaw (4) already a star

Duursma (4) not waiting for a debut obviously, but clear run at it
Goater (~20) again not waiting for a debut but clear run at it
Hardeman (~22) already good
Wil Dawson (~21) looks good, actually beat SDarcy for 3 Quarters in his 2nd game.

Our mids who project to be as good or better than your "Hammies" LayLaw;

McKercher
Wardlaw
O'Sullivan
Sheezel
LDU (already better but 27)
...
Arguable but not quite there;
Duursma
Hardeman

Need more evidence? We're shit, you'll do almost everything better than us and will be more attractive to Free Agents (given) but, you're still being carried by your older premiership players and haven't even hit your bottom yet (not fiction).

Which exact part of “we are well behind North” eluded you?

You’re preaching to the choir mate.

And EVERY team would currently be $1.88 to make the 8 in 2036.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Which exact part of “we are well behind North” eluded you?

You’re preaching to the choir mate.

And EVERY team would currently be $1.88 to make the 8 in 2036.

You're one of the good ones GOJJ, I wasn't trying to be smart, I was trying to agree with you!! I was just pointing out that you'll be a good chance to make finals by 2036.

I don't hate Richmond, I'm a fan of what you guys are and have achieved in last 10 years. But you're rebuilding from the bottom up again in compromised drafts this time with two/three extra teams. I think those are saying it'll be a few years are folly, it's a long road back.

 

[lalorGOAT]

It suggests that the team has previously done better, not that they will continue to do so.

Look at WC/North last season to this one.

Also have a look at Richmond’s B&F results, seriously dire times ahead.

Why would our bnf results mean there's dire times ahead?

 

[lalorGOAT]

So not a single top 250 player in the AFL?

I reckon you'll be $1.88 to make the 8 in 2036.



The players waiting on debut;
Goad (~20) - much better than CDT
George (~21) would go #1-5 in this draft probably
.......

Players who didn't play final round;

Wardlaw (4) already a star

Duursma (4) not waiting for a debut obviously, but clear run at it
Goater (~20) again not waiting for a debut but clear run at it
Hardeman (~22) already good
Wil Dawson (~21) looks good, actually beat SDarcy for 3 Quarters in his 2nd game.

Our mids who project to be as good or better than your "Hammies" LayLaw;

McKercher
Wardlaw
O'Sullivan
Sheezel
LDU (already better but 27)
...
Arguable but not quite there;
Duursma
Hardeman

Need more evidence? We're shit, you'll do almost everything better than us and will be more attractive to Free Agents (given) but, you're still being carried by your older premiership players and haven't even hit your bottom yet (not fiction).

Two players = two drafts worth

6 bottom 3 finishes in a row and you can only name 5 players you think might better than a 1st year player with injuries. Suddenly I'm thinking that we are killing you in the rebuild.

Maybe you should find a vfl forum and argue with Port Melbourne fans, might be more your league.

 

[Senor M]

For you it is, most of your good players are pretty old, most of our good players are babies.

It's gonna be rough like the old days for you, CB.

Let’s look at the age of North’s 10 highest disposal getters the last time Richmond played North

— Harry Sheezel (20y, 308d)
— Luke Davies-Uniake (26y, 70d)
— Luke Parker (32y, 296d)
— Coby McKercher (20y, 127d)
— Caleb Daniel (29y, 41d)
— George Wardlaw (21y, 67d)
— Jye Simpkin (27y, 165d)

• Tom Powell (23y, 168d)
• Dylan Stephens (24y, 211d)
• Tristan Xerri (26y, 155d)

Of your Top 10 disposal getters that day half are over the age of 25; barely “babies” — especially in a league where the Brownlow medalist was 24, the runner up was 22 and the reigning two time Norm smith medalist is 21.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Brown and Banks are both 22.

They’re not who I was referring to.

Our 23-26’s are the likes of Ross, Dow, Ryan, Ralph-Smith and Rioli.

OK. Then we have a bunch of role players in that age group. Solid group, but nothing to get excited about.

 

[Ambrosia]

Have the Dons fallen to last?

Hobbs, Tsatas, Jones and Perkins have consolidated themselves as unlikely to be difference makers.

Reid, Ridley and Caldwell all very good footballers but are consistently injured.

Parish injury prone and has question marks over being a winning footballer.

McKay coming off his worst season since he became a handy KPD also injury prone.

Langford, Wright and Merrett now entering the post prime part of their careers.

Positives for mine are:

Caddy is the real deal. His average stats are due to playing in our side who just chips the ball around.

Martin and Durham are long term mids with the flexibility to play a variety of roles.

Archie Roberts and Kako look like long term players to me.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Let’s look at the age of North’s 10 highest disposal getters the last time Richmond played North

— Harry Sheezel (20y, 308d)
— Luke Davies-Uniake (26y, 70d)
— Luke Parker (32y, 296d)
— Coby McKercher (20y, 127d)
— Caleb Daniel (29y, 41d)
— George Wardlaw (21y, 67d)
— Jye Simpkin (27y, 165d)

• Tom Powell (23y, 168d)
• Dylan Stephens (24y, 211d)
• Tristan Xerri (26y, 155d)

Of your Top 10 disposal getters that day half are over the age of 25; barely “babies” — especially in a league where the Brownlow medalist was 24, the runner up was 22 and the reigning two time Norm smith medalist is 21.

You forgot the dash on your n, amigo.

What has that all got to do with future projections?

On one hand you don't like opposition pointing out how old your bnf placings appear, yet on the other are pointing to a one off game's disposal numbers as some form of gotcha.

Ummm yeah. You're entitled to whatever your view may be... I hope for your sake you're right. I can't see it personally.

We played a dreck team and won against the all-conquering Tiges. Amazing really.

Dude, McKercher is so much better than Lalor. It's not even close.

Sheezel laps him.
FOS is better and more sound.
Hammies Jorge Wardlaw is quicker and tougher with just as good disposal and similarly poor hammies
LDU has him covered
Tommy Powell isn't far away at all (I didn't include him originally)
Duursma is comfortably more talented

The only high draft pick who is worse than Lalor at Norf, is Phillips.

I wouldn't even swap Hardeman for Lalor.

 

[captain bloodsport]

You forgot the dash on your n, amigo.

What has that all got to do with future projections?

On one hand you don't like opposition pointing out how old your bnf placings appear, yet on the other are pointing to a one off game's disposal numbers as some form of gotcha.

Ummm yeah. You're entitled to whatever your view may be... I hope for your sake you're right. I can't see it personally.

We played a dreck team and won against the all-conquering Tiges. Amazing really.

Dude, McKercher is so much better than Lalor. It's not even close.

Sheezel laps him.
FOS is better and more sound.
Hammies Jorge Wardlaw is quicker and tougher with just as good disposal and similarly poor hammies
LDU has him covered
Tommy Powell isn't far away at all (I didn't include him originally)
Duursma is comfortably more talented

The only high draft pick who is worse than Lalor at Norf, is Phillips.

I wouldn't even swap Hardeman for Lalor.

You forgot the dash on your n, amigo.

What has that all got to do with future projections?

On one hand you don't like opposition pointing out how old your bnf placings appear, yet on the other are pointing to a one off game's disposal numbers as some form of gotcha.

Ummm yeah. You're entitled to whatever your view may be... I hope for your sake you're right. I can't see it personally.

We played a dreck team and won against the all-conquering Tiges. Amazing really.

Dude, McKercher is so much better than Lalor. It's not even close.

Sheezel laps him.
FOS is better and more sound.
Hammies Jorge Wardlaw is quicker and tougher with just as good disposal and similarly poor hammies
LDU has him covered
Tommy Powell isn't far away at all (I didn't include him originally)
Duursma is comfortably more talented

The only high draft pick who is worse than Lalor at Norf, is Phillips.

I wouldn't even swap Hardeman for Lalor.

Top 8 next year you reckon?

 

[Morro]

You forgot the dash on your n, amigo.

What has that all got to do with future projections?

On one hand you don't like opposition pointing out how old your bnf placings appear, yet on the other are pointing to a one off game's disposal numbers as some form of gotcha.

Ummm yeah. You're entitled to whatever your view may be... I hope for your sake you're right. I can't see it personally.

We played a dreck team and won against the all-conquering Tiges. Amazing really.

Dude, McKercher is so much better than Lalor. It's not even close.

Sheezel laps him.
FOS is better and more sound.
Hammies Jorge Wardlaw is quicker and tougher with just as good disposal and similarly poor hammies
LDU has him covered
Tommy Powell isn't far away at all (I didn't include him originally)
Duursma is comfortably more talented

The only high draft pick who is worse than Lalor at Norf, is Phillips.

I wouldn't even swap Hardeman for Lalor.

Clearly a piss take, but not even a cleverly disguised one

 

[Chip Scab1]

Clearly a piss take, but not even a cleverly disguised one

Not a pisstake at all.

 

[Morro]

Not a pisstake at all.

Yes it is ya silly

 

[Senor M]

What has that all got to do with future projections?

On one hand you don't like opposition pointing out how old your bnf placings appear, yet on the other are pointing to a one off game's disposal numbers as some form of gotcha.

LDU has him covered

The only high draft pick who is worse than Lalor at Norf, is Phillips.

I wouldn't even swap Hardeman for Lalor.

LDU is 7 years older than Sam Lalor.

He's not a "baby" and he's definitely not the "future"--- LDU is the present of your club, based on your current rate of improvement, by the time North makes the Top 8, LDU will be retired.

 

[Shueygod]

Why would our bnf results mean there's dire times ahead?

Are you serious? It resembles a retirement home.

Compare that to the Eagles.