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List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Thread - Picks 31, 32, 42, 60 and 71

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So many people in here are concerned that Curnow won't be serious if he comes to us because we are not good 'preferred' option, but are happy to take draftees who grew up fanatically supporting another club for their whole life.
Draftees theoretically have no choice in the matter, though there have been shenanigans before. Completely different scenario for mine. Young kids feeling lucky just to be in the system as opposed to a veteran player who can nominate a preferred destination.
 
Draftees theoretically have no choice in the matter, though there have been shenanigans before. Completely different scenario for mine. Young kids feeling lucky just to be in the system as opposed to a veteran player who can nominate a preferred destination.
More likely to get buy-in from an 18 year old possibly going to work for the first time over the 30 year old set in their ways and just wants to not be where they came from
 
Draftees theoretically have no choice in the matter, though there have been shenanigans before. Completely different scenario for mine. Young kids feeling lucky just to be in the system as opposed to a veteran player who can nominate a preferred destination.

This nomination rubbish has to stop until you qualify for RFA and UFA, it's a complete blight on the game.
 
I don't know if it's Vic media bias but every article talks about Curnow wanting to go to Geelong and then about how Sydney are going to get the deal done. There's a major disconnect there.

I get it's more of a mercenary age in football now and loyalty isn't what it was but it would be nice if our potential spearhead that we're haggling for actually wanted to come to the club as a preference rather than as a fallback option.
Better still, Merrett to Hawthorn was the first big story yet no journo is saying what Hawks need to do to get the trade done.
No mention.
 

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Florent + 2025 first + 2026 first and walk buller to draft so carlton can get him ahead of Collingwood (assuming they're ahead in the order).

Carlton get a key forward and buller gets to Vic in a team he'd be best 22 forward 🙃

Even without Curnow, decent inclusions with serong + Rosas that will generate more scoring by the impact it has on Blakey, Mills and Heeney. Hope we have a good year with injuries and Lmac has a Thilthrope-esque improvement, with Campbell and Dattoli stepping up.

Forward line of Logan, Amartey, Heeney, Hayward, Papley and Campbell / Dattoli / Rosa is nicely balanced. The first 5 can kick 40+ a year, the last 3 have potential. Decent depth - key is injuries.

Would love to see though gulden, Blakey and Heeney kicking into Curnow. If fit, reckon he'd kick 70+ with us easily.
 
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Better still, Merrett to Hawthorn was the first big story yet no journo is saying what Hawks need to do to get the trade done.
No mention.
A trade which last I checked still hasn't happened yet
 
Florent + 2025 first + 2026 first and walk buller to draft so carlton can get him ahead of Collingwood (assuming they're ahead in the order).

Carlton get a key forward and buller gets to Vic in a team he'd be best 22 forward 🙃

Even without Curnow, decent inclusions with serong + Rosas. Hope we have a good year with injuries and Lmac has a Thilthrope-esque improvement, and Campbell and Dattoli step up.

Forward like of Logan, Amartey, Heeney, Hayward, Papley and Campbell / Dattoli is nicely balanced.

Serong allows Blakey to rebound, and mills to the mids unlocks Heeney to kick 50. Reckon Heeney is hands down the best non-key position forward in the game.

Please no on the Heeney forward thing, just no he's our no1 mid can we keep the bloke there at least for 2 years where he can. That doesn't mean he won't play spurts forward but it's exactly that. Every club would sign up tomorrow if Heeney is playing full time forward, sure he may win a few games...he'll win a bucketload more as a mid!
 
Please no on the Heeney forward thing, just no he's our no1 mid can we keep the bloke there at least for 2 years where he can. That doesn't mean he won't play spurts forward but it's exactly that. Every club would sign up tomorrow if Heeney is playing full time forward, sure he may win a few games...he'll win a bucketload more as a mid!

Again this misses the point. Heeney might be our best forward and our best midfielder at the same time.

The question actually is where does he make our team better given who else is available. If we had (which by the way we dont) a midfielder as close to him in terms of ball winning youd play heeney forward. This midfielder was josh kennedy.

We havent had anyone capable of replacing this (maybe mills) as an on baller so heeney needs to play in midfield. That Konstanty moment may well be the defining moment for the post 2020 playing group
 
So many people in here are concerned that Curnow won't be serious if he comes to us because we are not good 'preferred' option, but are happy to take draftees who grew up fanatically supporting another club for their whole life.

I think Curnow will be good but theres a big difference between the two

Draftees that support other clubs dont join a club on $1m/year so they have to deliver for their career

It can be argued (I'm not in this camp) that Curnow could be lazy here

But I don't think anyone goes to a new job and is not serious from the get go
 
Again this misses the point. Heeney might be our best forward and our best midfielder at the same time.

The question actually is where does he make our team better given who else is available. If we had (which by the way we dont) a midfielder as close to him in terms of ball winning youd play heeney forward. This midfielder was josh kennedy.

We havent had anyone capable of replacing this (maybe mills) as an on baller so heeney needs to play in midfield. That Konstanty moment may well be the defining moment for the post 2020 playing group

Easy midfield, you want someone to play more forward move Chad. I sure as anything am not moving our best mid that's the hardest to match up on. I agree Mills to the midfield, and I'd be pushing Rowbottom forward/mid that doesn't mean he won't play some mid minutes but he'd actually do a great role there keep the ball in 50. Then you add Rosas etc. We still lack that bull mid but unless we take 11 to the draft we aint in a position to address this really
 
Easy midfield, you want someone to play more forward move Chad. I sure as anything am not moving our best mid that's the hardest to match up on. I agree Mills to the midfield, and I'd be pushing Rowbottom forward/mid that doesn't mean he won't play some mid minutes but he'd actually do a great role there keep the ball in 50. Then you add Rosas etc. We still lack that bull mid but unless we take 11 to the draft we aint in a position to address this really
That bull mid is Callum Mills, hopefully he can be replaced in the backline, and go back to the midfield where he belongs.
 

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That bull mid is Callum Mills, hopefully he can be replaced in the backline, and go back to the midfield where he belongs.

It might be i'm just wary that physically he can't do it full time these days. It is why and bare in mind I hate the contract, but I was on board with getting Oliver, that's obviously not happening. I just wonder whether the Davies one that was mentioned a month ago is in play that would be a late trade. Ideally you need more than just Mills there
 
It might be i'm just wary that physically he can't do it full time these days. It is why and bare in mind I hate the contract, but I was on board with getting Oliver, that's obviously not happening. I just wonder whether the Davies one that was mentioned a month ago is in play that would be a late trade. Ideally you need more than just Mills there
So Mills to midfield is fine if it's for trading Rowy, but you're wary a few hours later.

Why would we get Davies when you prefer Rowy out of mids?
 

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So Mills to midfield is fine if it's for trading Rowy, but you're wary a few hours later.

Why would we get Davies when you prefer Rowy out of mids?

I'd be fine with Mills playing the Rowbottom role, he's a better version.

Getting Davies is not even part, I'd be fine getting him anyway but doubt he comes to backup that ship has sailed
 
Again this misses the point. Heeney might be our best forward and our best midfielder at the same time.

The question actually is where does he make our team better given who else is available. If we had (which by the way we dont) a midfielder as close to him in terms of ball winning youd play heeney forward. This midfielder was josh kennedy.

We havent had anyone capable of replacing this (maybe mills) as an on baller so heeney needs to play in midfield. That Konstanty moment may well be the defining moment for the post 2020 playing group
I think we'll see Heeney in an almost Miers type role, just with a higher time in the guts. Ditto with Gulden and Warner. All players who can be really damaging forward of centre. They absolutely have value in the middle, but their flexibility allows us to exploit matchups going forward and hitting targets.

Using them forward a bit more often would also allow guys like Sheldrick and Cleary to get more time in the middle, if they're ready for it, and give us a better blend of midfield matchups and styles, depending on the game situation. As we've seen over the last few seasons, you need to have 6-8 players that you can rotate through the middle at a pinch if you're going to win it all, and you need to have a blend of speed, power, pressure, skill, etc.

We'll still have our core midfield group, and Heeney, Gulden, and Warner will all be part of that, their roles will hopefully expand as we become more dangerous.
 
I am pleased to hear that any talk of trading Rowbottom has been shut down, so it should hopes that right. Same applies to Hayward.
We should just offer Carlton a couple of first rounders and possibly Florent but that’s it. If Carlton don’t like it we walk away.
I do think though we should have gone harder for Pettraca and maybe targeted an emerging forward like Mitch Lewis from Hawthorn. That would have ticked some boxes and cost far less than the all out Curnow thing which I am not convinced is the way to go. Guess time will tell but no I don’t want Charlie if we sell the farm to get him.
 
Can you imagine if Curnow comes out on Wednesday and says "Sorry guys, I actually dont want to leave anymore" hahah

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