Have Richmond passed North and west coast

["The Roar Is Back"]

If by the end of 2027 , Richmond’s current squad minus Lynch, Prestia , short and broad are realistically good enough to be challenging for a place in the 8 ., the club will be in a position to trade to top up .
If not challenging for the 8 by 2027 , we might well be in bigger shit than can be imagined .
Be shocked in there is anyone who isn’t concerned by injuries incurred last year and that it meant games lost to play alongside and learn off ageing players
IF 30+ games isn’t put into the majority of young players , with current experienced players , Richmond might need to revisit years gone by of getting broken down experienced players in .

 

[SnakeMan86]

 

[Chip Scab1]

Thanks for the emotional support son

Your correct that not all draftees will make it but, statistically, first round draft picks have a much greater chance of performing over a long career than players taken later in the draft. Richmond haven't just relied upon one draft. We won't suddenly stop recruiting and trading. List can't be built in one year - even GWS/GC/Tas had to recruit/trade over multiple years.

Last year and this, Richmond propelled and fast tracked its rebuild by choosing 8 first round draft picks. Couple that will multiple early seconds and that is a massive shot in the arm of any regenerating side. The cupboards not bare either with younger existing players either and older quality mentors that will help protect, educate and guide the younger recruits. All of this means a far quicker rebuild than what would historically be expected.

Not all the players will come on but that is when we can trade or draft in replacements. We don't have all the ingredients yet but the cake is already cooking and rising well - we just need the icing.

Need the cake and some icing and then some chocolate.

If you're losing to us you're job ain't close to being done.

 

[Grin]

Need the cake and some icing and then some chocolate.

If you're losing to us you're job ain't close to being done.

Sounds lovely. I'm not fussy about the chocky, but what sort of cake are we talking here?

 

[Chip Scab1]

No fans were spitting on players in 2016, that shit happened in 2005.
You're just making shit up.

I have to hand it the Tigers, that there are multiple examples where this may have occurred is a credit to you.

 

[SnakeMan86]

I have to hand it the Tigers, that there are multiple examples where this may have occurred is a credit to you.

Huh? Examples of incidents that happened 20 years ago, as some form of relevant dig or slight on a supported base???

Hell, the last time an incident like that happened... Essendon had just won their last finals game.

Clutching at straws here...

 

[Chip Scab1]

Huh? Examples of incidents that happened 20 years ago, as some form of relevant dig or slight on a supported base???

Hell, the last time an incident like that happened... Essendon had just won their last finals game.

Clutching at straws here...

It's a compliment. You're welcome.

 

[Rich01]

If by the end of 2027 , Richmond’s current squad minus Lynch, Prestia , short and broad are realistically good enough to be challenging for a place in the 8 ., the club will be in a position to trade to top up .
If not challenging for the 8 by 2027 , we might well be in bigger shit than can be imagined .
Be shocked in there is anyone who isn’t concerned by injuries incurred last year and that it meant games lost to play alongside and learn off ageing players
IF 30+ games isn’t put into the majority of young players , with current experienced players , Richmond might need to revisit years gone by of getting broken down experienced players in .

The core group of players leading any of the three clubs to potential success in this discussion need to have around 100 games of experience.

North are a 1-2 years away from that, while West Coast and Richmond are probably 4 years at best.

That should be the timeline clubs should be looking at.

That’s if they chose the right players and developed them well enough.

 

[the big lebowski]

Shueygod please continue with how Wardlaw and Reid aren’t in the same conversation

Nor is Ginbey vs Wardlaw

And Hewitt is also better than Wardlaw

 

[Shueygod]

Shueygod please continue with how Wardlaw and Reid aren’t in the same conversation

Nor is Ginbey vs Wardlaw

And Hewitt is also better than Wardlaw

Did I say Hewett was better? I said that’s the closest comparison.

They had similar stats this year, Wardlaw has one of the worst centre clearance rates in the comp.

For a guy that’s a shit kick, not being able to win clearances is alarming.

What does he project to be if he isn’t an elite clearance winner?

 

[the big lebowski]

Did I say Hewett was better? I said that’s the closest comparison.

They had similar stats this year, Wardlaw has one of the worst centre clearance rates in the comp.

For a guy that’s a shit kick, not being able to win clearances is alarming.

What does he project to be if he isn’t an elite clearance winner?

He’s had 10 clearances in a game mate

He averages basically as many clearances and possessions as Reid in 25% less game time

Reid is the main man in there. Wardlaw is one of many.

All that is fine. I have no problem saying I’d take Reid over Wardlaw.

But they are clearly at a similar level at the moment.

As for Ginbey and Hewitt

Sweet merciful Jesus

 

[Shueygod]

He’s had 10 clearances in a game mate

He averages basically as many clearances and possessions as Reid in 25% less game time

Reid is the main man in there. Wardlaw is one of many.

All that is fine. I have no problem saying I’d take Reid over Wardlaw.

But they are clearly at a similar level at the moment.

As for Ginbey and Hewitt

Sweet merciful Jesus

I’m referring to clearance rate, despite having less TOG than Harley and Hewett Wardlaw attended the same/more CBA’s than both, yet had less centre clearances than both. I also don’t know where you’ve gotten 25% less game time.

Wardlaw averages less coaches votes than both Hewett and Reid.

Ginbey came 2nd in our best and fairest,he’s leagues above Wardlaw right now. Any comparison is difficult considering Ginbey is a defender.

Hewett is a great comparison, both being the same age, both having injury issues.. Hewett outperforming Wardlaw offensively but Wardlaw the better defensive player.

How you don’t consider the below a similar level is beyond me.

 

[the big lebowski]

I’m referring to clearance rate, despite having less TOG than Harley and Hewett Wardlaw attended the same/more CBA’s than both, yet had less centre clearances than both. I also don’t know where you’ve gotten 25% less game time.

Wardlaw averages less coaches votes than both Hewett and Reid.

Ginbey came 2nd in our best and fairest,he’s leagues above Wardlaw right now. Any comparison is difficult considering Ginbey is a defender.

Hewett is a great comparison, both being the same age, both having injury issues.. Hewett outperforming Wardlaw offensively but Wardlaw the better defensive player.

How you don’t consider the below a similar level is beyond me.

Again you’re comparing literally the worst clearance team in the comp with the third best.

Wardlaw sets up as part of an A grade structure.

I can assure you that North aren’t “alarmed” at a guy that gets as much of the footy as Harley Reid in 25% less game time and turns into over less.

 

[Shueygod]

Again you’re comparing literally the worst clearance team in the comp with the third best.

Wardlaw sets up as part of an A grade structure.

I can assure you that North aren’t “alarmed” at a guy that gets as much of the footy as Harley Reid in 25% less game time and turns into over less.

Again, that’s a bigger indictment on Wardlaw, they jumped from 9th to 3rd the year he played less.

If by as much, you mean 21% less and by 25% less game time you mean 19% less TOG you’d be right.

That’s despite Reid being a year younger.

 

[the big lebowski]

but Wardlaw the better defensive player.

And that’s not even in argument. Every second week a commentator lets out an audible gasp at wardlaws attack on the footy and the man.

Every week Wardlaw gets his team a goal with an action that doesn’t even get a stat.

 

[Shueygod]

And that’s not even in argument. Every second week a commentator lets out an audible gasp at wardlaws attack on the footy and the man.

Every week Wardlaw gets his team a goal with an action that doesn’t even get a stat.

Must be a good cheerleader considering half the weeks he’s in the stands.

 

[the big lebowski]

Again, that’s a bigger indictment on Wardlaw, they jumped from 9th to 3rd the year he played less.

If by as much, you mean 21% less and by 25% less game time you mean 19% less TOG you’d be right.

That’s despite Reid being a year younger.

Simpkin wanted out as Wardlaw pushed him and Powell out the centre square

Try again

 

[Shueygod]

Simpkin wanted out as Wardlaw pushed him and Powell out the centre square

Try again

I’ve already told you he has the 11th worst centre clearance rate in the league. Don’t know what more you want.

A plodder in Simpkin being pushed out changes nothing.

 

[the big lebowski]

I’ve already told you he has the 11th worst centre clearance rate in the league. Don’t know what more you want.

A plodder in Simpkin being pushed out changes nothing.

Fair enough

We’ll just have to live with George Wardlaw while you have “one of the best defenders in the league” in Reuben Ginbey

 

[Aido97]

The fact the likes of Wardlaw and Ginbey are being thrown up as reasons north and west coast are going to be good in the future shows just how far off they both are.

I actually think north will win a few more games this year (7-8) and get out of the bottom 4 but their ceiling is low with the battlers that they have and headed for a st kilda like stay in no man’s land.

West coast are putrid and will again challenge the bombers for the spoon.

Tiges probably win 8 -10 games with a decent run at injuries and finals beckon in 27

 

[bzparkes]

And that’s not even in argument. Every second week a commentator lets out an audible gasp at wardlaws attack on the footy and the man.

Every week Wardlaw gets his team a goal with an action that doesn’t even get a stat.

If Wardlaw played for the Eagles, the commentators wouldn't even know who he was.

Such is their Vic-centric focus on their own love children.

I mean, even those audible gasps are probably concern for his safety, considering he's 1-2 concussions away from retirement.

I like the kid but he really needs to learn some self preservation of he wants a long AFL career.

 

[bzparkes]

The fact the likes of Wardlaw and Ginbey are being thrown up as reasons north and west coast are going to be good in the future shows just how far off they both are.

I actually think north will win a few more games this year (7-8) and get out of the bottom 4 but their ceiling is low with the battlers that they have and headed for a st kilda like stay in no man’s land.

West coast are putrid and will again challenge the bombers for the spoon.

Tiges probably win 8 -10 games with a decent run at injuries and finals beckon in 27

Genuinely curious where Richmond supporters get their confidence from considering they were massively carried by their old brigade this year and apart from 2 Lalor games, none of their kids have shown that they'll particularly move the needle in the W/L column.

It's not to say they're bad, they're just nowhere near that level yet, which seems obvious to all but a number of Richmond supporters who think they'll take a monumental leap this year because their first year players are entering their second season.

They must think time stops still for all other teams or something.

I'd expect a similar season from Richmond. Their offseason did nothing to suggest they're going to have any significant improvement but I don't think they'll regress.

Eagles are hard to place. Should improve with the senior players brought in and a huge emphasis on running over the offseason/preseason should help those young blokes play 4 quarters instead of being gassed in the last.

North should improve the most. A sneaky for wildcard weekend.

 

[Shueygod]

The fact the likes of Wardlaw and Ginbey are being thrown up as reasons north and west coast are going to be good in the future shows just how far off they both are.

I actually think north will win a few more games this year (7-8) and get out of the bottom 4 but their ceiling is low with the battlers that they have and headed for a st kilda like stay in no man’s land.

West coast are putrid and will again challenge the bombers for the spoon.

Tiges probably win 8 -10 games with a decent run at injuries and finals beckon in 27

Who do Richmond have that’s done anything of note at AFL level?

 

[the big lebowski]

The fact the likes of Wardlaw and Ginbey are being thrown up as reasons north and west coast are going to be good in the future shows just how far off they both are.

2 games ago Wardlaw had 25 against your mob as part of a midfield that absolutely obliterated your aging pedestrian midfield. In 65% game time if you don’t mind.

He also had 5 clearances (I know Shueygod finds this important) a goal assist and in the 3rd qrt beat 2 Richmond mids for a loose ball that ultimately got to sheezel for a goal and his 41st odd possession. This drew the standard gasps of amazement from the commentary team.

That was game number 38

His career game was 30 disposals, 10 clearances, 1 goal, 3 goal assists against the pies

He came second in the rising star and polled across 2 seasons in the award.

 

[Chip Scab1]

The core group of players leading any of the three clubs to potential success in this discussion need to have around 100 games of experience.

North are a 1-2 years away from that, while West Coast and Richmond are probably 4 years at best.

That should be the timeline clubs should be looking at.

That’s if they chose the right players and developed them well enough.

Correct. Bit of work to do for the Tigs.

Gotta laugh at the North fans. Richmond is much more mature well run club that has outclassed them in their rebuild debatably. To even have a debate is laughable with the amount of bottom finishes.

Very cute.

You'll always be "Save Our Skins" - Tigers to me.

I remember feeling sorry for you and putting some pocket money in one of your tins as a 10 year old.

How could Richmond, the only team we were guaranteed to beat, not be in the league.

I was in tears. The year before (I think) you kicked the first goal - we kicked the next 13 in Q1. Derek Kickett kicked a torp from about 70m. It was glorious.