News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Lore]

By tax I mean if you carry say a 200pt deficit than it becomes 400pts.
They need to make teams try and avoid going into deficit for the system to work it’s best.

If you have a deficit you can’t trade the corresponding pick in that round.

 

[marcmurphy3]

By tax I mean if you carry say a 200pt deficit than it becomes 400pts.
They need to make teams try and avoid going into deficit for the system to work it’s best.

I dont think they'll do that. Needlessly complicated.

Also, I dont think the AFL will care about teams going into deficit or they wouldnt allow one. Their main concern is clubs paying for early talents with late picks.

If they can wipe out 2 early picks for clubs matching top bids plus downgrade another 1st the following that year to cover any shortfall, they'll be achieving exactly what they want.

 

[Mat Mann]

Does St Kilda have access to a NGA academy?
Does St Kilda have access to Father sons?
Does St Kilda have access to free agents?

Unfortunately my friend Mat Mann has gulped down the kool aid presented by his president Fred bassatt. As a result he doesn’t acknowledge any of these things.

So everyone loves to give us crap for being bad, but yet

Brisbane were bad and the AFL jump in and give them concessions and help.
Carlton were bad, the AFL gives them help
GCS were bad and the AFL gave them the most concessions EVER and help
Melbourne were bad, the AFL jumped in and helped
North were bad, did the AFL give them concessions?
WC just received concessions

can you point out anytime that my club has received any concessions outside of the rules?

as for NGA, yes
Mitch Owens, pick 33
Marcus Windhager pick 47
Kye Fincher pick 52
but the one we could have had in the 1st round. were not allowed to

F/S - we've had 3 for a total of 100 odd games played

FA's we've just had to pay a record amount to get one

things are not equal

I don't want concessions; I want us to make it on our own, but if you think teams aren't favored or looked after, then you're in denial.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

If you have a deficit you can’t trade the corresponding pick in that round.

I dont think they'll do that. Needlessly complicated.

Also, I dont think the AFL will care about teams going into deficit or they wouldnt allow one. Their main concern is clubs paying for early talents with late picks.

If they can wipe out 2 early picks for clubs matching top bids plus downgrade another 1st the following that year to cover any shortfall, they'll be achieving exactly what they want.

The problem is that this then makes it a three picks to match system and you run into the problem of teams having traded future picks in that round.
Also a top 4 side matching a bid at 5 with say 14, 30 and than maybe downgrading 16 into the mid 20’s the next season is not ideal. It’s pretty much 14, 16, 30 for pick 5 and ~26. You want teams to have to trade up,l close to the pick.

 

[Elixuh]

can you point out anytime that my club has received any concessions outside of the rules?

FA's we've just had to pay a record amount to get one

things are not equal

No club has received any concession outside of the rules, Mat Mann.

No one forces you to do anything in relation to FAs. In fact all the Saints fans (including your good self) have been telling us what great list management it is. Why is that unequal as against the FAs Brisbane has chosen?

Things are not equal, yes! We finally agree! Things are not equal, Mat Mann. The aim of the game is to create inequalities to balance everything out while serving the broader objective of the game.

 

[Miller1971]

No club has recieved any concessions outside the rules.

Apart from the Dee's tanking I guess.

 

[Elixuh]

No club has recieved any concessions outside the rules.

Apart from the Dee's tanking I guess.

It’s sad that my friend Mat Mann has resorted to peddling Fred Bassat conspiracy theories about clubs receiving concessions outside the rules of the game. Sad!

 

[marcmurphy3]

The problem is that this then makes it a three picks to match system and you run into the problem of teams having traded future picks in that round.
Also a top 4 side matching a bid at 5 with say 14, 30 and than maybe downgrading 16 into the mid 20’s the next season is not ideal. It’s pretty much 14, 16, 30 for pick 5 and ~26. You want teams to have to trade up,l close to the pick.

If thats what the AFL wanted they would not allow a deficit at all.

I dont think they expect clubs to trade up to a specific pick. Thats often not practical in any case. They just dont want clubs downgrading and paying with late picks. Its a bad look.

Not having clubs trade out future picks is pretty easy to manage. You just say clubs can only go into deficit if they hold a pick in that round.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Cal noted 3 things about future bid matching on gettable today:

• only matching with 2 picks (already well documented)
• will be able to go into deficit
• 10% discount to be removed.

It will be interesting to see where the deficit is applied.

I assume that if they are a 1st round pick then it comes off of their first rounder regardless of how small the deficit is.

 

[danster168]

So everyone loves to give us crap for being bad, but yet

Brisbane were bad and the AFL jump in and give them concessions and help.
Carlton were bad, the AFL gives them help
GCS were bad and the AFL gave them the most concessions EVER and help
Melbourne were bad, the AFL jumped in and helped
North were bad, did the AFL give them concessions?
WC just received concessions

can you point out anytime that my club has received any concessions outside of the rules?

as for NGA, yes
Mitch Owens, pick 33
Marcus Windhager pick 47
Kye Fincher pick 52
but the one we could have had in the 1st round. were not allowed to

F/S - we've had 3 for a total of 100 odd games played

FA's we've just had to pay a record amount to get one

things are not equal

I don't want concessions; I want us to make it on our own, but if you think teams aren't favored or looked after, then you're in denial.

the fact that 2 of your best young players were both NGA's voids your argument. My club has had 0. Other than Mac Andrew who got ripped out of our academy. We've had 1 father/son (Viney) in 25 years so that evens it out somewhat but Owens and Windhager will combine for 400 games

 

[danster168]

It will be interesting to see where the deficit is applied.

I assume that if they are a 1st round pick then it comes off of their first rounder regardless of how small the deficit is.

it's a bit late now. Brisbane and Suns have already been gifted their players. So the comp won't be made even until the rules are made fair and the careers of the current draft crop have finished in 10-15 years time.

 

[blueboy25]

So everyone loves to give us crap for being bad, but yet

Brisbane were bad and the AFL jump in and give them concessions and help.
Carlton were bad, the AFL gives them help
GCS were bad and the AFL gave them the most concessions EVER and help
Melbourne were bad, the AFL jumped in and helped
North were bad, did the AFL give them concessions?
WC just received concessions

can you point out anytime that my club has received any concessions outside of the rules?

as for NGA, yes
Mitch Owens, pick 33
Marcus Windhager pick 47
Kye Fincher pick 52
but the one we could have had in the 1st round. were not allowed to

F/S - we've had 3 for a total of 100 odd games played

FA's we've just had to pay a record amount to get one

things are not equal

I don't want concessions; I want us to make it on our own, but if you think teams aren't favored or looked after, then you're in denial.

Isn't your greatest ever player and longest serving captain a priority pick?

 

[Philhawk]

Things are not equal, yes! We finally agree! Things are not equal, Mat Mann. The aim of the game is to create inequalities to balance everything out while serving the broader objective of the game.

This is hysterical.

It’s a wonder you were able to type it with a straight face.

 

[jumperfan]

This is hysterical.

It’s a wonder you were able to type it with a straight face.

It’s quite amazing that such an obvious troll has been allowed to run rampant for so long

 

[Elixuh]

This is hysterical.

It’s a wonder you were able to type it with a straight face.

It’s quite amazing that such an obvious troll has been allowed to run rampant for so long

I know these things are inconvenient for the VFL club supporters to hear, but the truth is never an easy thing.

 

[jumperfan]

I know these things are inconvenient for the VFL club supporters to hear, but the truth is never an easy thing.

It doesn’t seem to be for you either given that you spend every waking moment on BigFooty trying desperately to convince sane people that a system giving 6th place 4 first rounders is fair and equitable.

 

[Elixuh]

Isn't your greatest ever player and longest serving captain a priority pick?

God that’s hilarious. I forgot about Nick. Mentally the saints fans have blocked out all of these concessions.

 

[Philhawk]

I know these things are inconvenient for the VFL club supporters to hear, but the truth is never an easy thing.

Ok, I’ll play along.

Which inequalities exist that serve to gift the Suns and Lions multiple top picks via the academies over the last few years?

Looking forward to this sob story.

 

[jumperfan]

Isn't your greatest ever player and longest serving captain a priority pick?

Are we really saying that St Kilda had an unfair advantage by picking with pick 1 after winning the spoon now?

 

[Elixuh]

It doesn’t seem to be for you either given that you spend every waking moment on BigFooty trying desperately to convince sane people that a system giving 6th place 4 first rounders is fair and equitable.

The system doesn’t give it to the Suns. They fund and produce the talent. They give to the system. Players who would be playing in the nrl or other sports are now in the AFL. You have players on your list who you wouldn’t if academies didn’t exist, they would have been taken by other clubs.

We provide a service to the league. And apparently, our service is valued highly.

 

[Elixuh]

Ok, I’ll play along.

Which inequalities exist that serve to gift the Suns and Lions multiple top picks via the academies over the last few years?

Looking forward to this sob story.

See my response above. Thank you!

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

If thats what the AFL wanted they would not allow a deficit at all.

I dont think they expect clubs to trade up to a specific pick. Thats often not practical in any case. They just dont want clubs downgrading and paying with late picks. Its a bad look.

Not having clubs trade out future picks is pretty easy to manage. You just say clubs can only go into deficit if they hold a pick in that round.

You have to allow a deficit because clubs don’t know exact when a bid is coming. The whole point in using two picks is for clubs to use as high picks as they reasonably can to match. You are just allowing three picks but making one have to be a first rounder.

For instance if we finish say 13th next year and Swan’s 4th and say North bottom 3. If If Walker is expected to be bid on at 3 Than you get a stupid situation where we would be trading pick 5 and our future first and be matching with with picks 14, ~21 and downgrading Swans future late first rounder next year. That’s the stupid double dipping crap that we don’t want to see.

 

[Philhawk]

See my response above. Thank you!

Which one?

 

[blueboy25]

Are we really saying that St Kilda had an unfair advantage by picking with pick 1 after winning the spoon now?

So why did you have pick 2 that year?

Pick 1 was a priority pick

 

[Elixuh]

Which one?

The one directly above.