Have Richmond passed North and west coast

[Aido97]

Banks is ok. Not a lot of defensive accountability or contested ball winning ability but he's dangerous with ball in hand. His ceiling isn't huge though and I'd take the younger Hewett and Gruzewski ahead of him easily given their upside.

Brown finished behind a completely cooked Kamdyn McIntosh in your B&F. He finished behind a cooked Prestia despite playing twice as many games. That's in his 4th season. If that's improvement he must've been utterly shit before this season.

Jonty Faull has shown 100x what Gruzewski has at AFL level. Banks and Brown miles more as well. Anyone who argues otherwise is trolling.

Kane McAullife averages more disposals at a higher disposal efficiency with more contested possessions and tackles than Hewitt. We got him from a rubbish pick in the next draft

 

[Disco Dew]

Dont forget you got Callum Coleman-Jones too….

 

[bzparkes]

Or Lalor?

Has done more hammies at afl level than Wardlaw

2 & 2 are the same number, FYI.

If you want to include before they were drafted, then 5 is a bigger number than 3.

I'll let you work out who the 5 belongs to.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Jonty Faull has shown 100x what Gruzewski has at AFL level.

That might be the dumbest post in the history of this forum

 

[Aido97]

That might be the dumbest post in the history of this forum

Go on….

Bloke averages 5 touches a game.

 

[the big lebowski]

None of those Norf players have proven a thing. Whitlock looked horribly outside his depth even at vfl level for the most part. He keep crapping on about Richmond players having proved nothing but they’ve all shown 100x more than Whitlock

So I’m curious as to why you would say this. Is it

1: lying to try and convince others of an inaccurate view
Or
2: lying to convince yourself about Matt Whitlock

It’s weird because there seems to be an echo chamber amongst Richmond fans about trying to talk down Matt Whitlock

Is this your view of struggling at vfl level

Debut game 20 disposals 9 marks
27 disposals 7 marks
16 disposals 10 marks
15 disposals 7 marks
17 disposals
THEN
Swung forward for final 3 games
4 goals
2 goals
2.3 goals

Now these Richmond guys at vfl that have shown “100 times more”

Tom Simms
Cracked 10 disposals once in 7 games
Averages 0.85 goals per game (vs 2.7 per game to Whitlock when he played forward).

At afl level Whitlock averaged 0.5 goals per game (with one of 2 games played as a defender). Simms averaged 0.4 goals per game.

Jonny faul kicked 2 goals from 3 vfl games. At afl level he averages 0.6 goals per game. Granted that’s better than 0.5 for Whitlock, but Whitlock played one game down back, as a forward he averages 1 goals per game.

Armstrong kicked 2 goals in one vfl game and averaged a very nice 0.8 goals at afl level.

So, in summary, why do you lie?

 

[the big lebowski]

2 & 2 are the same number, FYI.

If you want to include before they were drafted, then 5 is a bigger number than 3.

I'll let you work out who the 5 belongs to.

Fair enough.

So Wardlaw has hurt his hammy 2 in 3 years at afl level. There was talk that his 2025 injury was the other leg, but that was unconfirmed.

Lalor has hurt it 2 in 1 year at afl level. (Or 3 times in 12 months)

Alarming

 

[bzparkes]

Fair enough.

So Wardlaw has hurt his hammy 2 in 3 years at afl level.

Lalor has hurt it 2 in 1 year at afl level. (Or 3 times in 12 months)

Alarming

Wardlaw did it 3 times in his draft year and that was before he entered the AFL system.

Much more alarming, if you're the kind of person who happens to get fixated on this kind of thing that is.

 

[the big lebowski]

Wardlaw did it 3 times in his draft year and that was before he entered the AFL system.

Much more alarming, if you're the kind of person who happens to get fixated on this kind of thing that is.

His hammies will always be a worry it’s true, given his extreme power, explosiveness and his unique ability to run quickly with his body hunched over to pick up the footy.

It’s happened 2 times in the 3 years within a high performance environment.

Hopefully we know how to manage it and minimise the chance of it happening again.

 

[bzparkes]

His hammies will always be a worry it’s true, given his extreme power, explosiveness and his unique ability to run quickly with his body hunched over to pick up the footy.

It’s happened 2 times in the 3 years within a high performance environment.

Hopefully we know how to manage it and minimise the chance of it happening again.

Certainly. I hope he's past his troubles. I like watching him.

 

[Aido97]

So I’m curious as to why you would say this. Is it

1: lying to try and convince others of an inaccurate view
Or
2: lying to convince yourself about Matt Whitlock

It’s weird because there seems to be an echo chamber amongst Richmond fans about trying to talk down Matt Whitlock

Is this your view of struggling at vfl level

Debut game 20 disposals 9 marks
27 disposals 7 marks
16 disposals 10 marks
15 disposals 7 marks
17 disposals
THEN
Swung forward for final 3 games
4 goals
2 goals
2.3 goals

Now these Richmond guys at vfl that have shown “100 times more”

Tom Simms
Cracked 10 disposals once in 7 games
Averages 0.85 goals per game (vs 2.7 per game to Whitlock when he played forward).

At afl level Whitlock averaged 0.5 goals per game (with one of 2 games played as a defender). Simms averaged 0.4 goals per game.

Jonny faul kicked 2 goals from 3 vfl games. At afl level he averages 0.6 goals per game. Granted that’s better than 0.5 for Whitlock, but Whitlock played one game down back, as a forward he averages 1 goals per game.

Armstrong kicked 2 goals in one vfl game and averaged a very nice 0.8 goals at afl level.

So, in summary, why do you lie?

Faull is a competitive beast that was regularly playing as our number one forward alongside other first year forwards. His kicking accuracy for goal is the only thing that stopped him having an all time debut year for a key forward coming off no preseason. Had games as follows:

• 23 possessions, 7 marks and 2 goals
• 17 possessions, 7 marks and 2 goals

Armstrong again showed competitive intent and a work ethic that showed he is a 10+ year afl standard forward. Battled with injury for a large part of the year but absolutely showed more at AFL level. Had games as follows:

• 12 possessions, 5 marks and 2 goals (in a side with debutant as the only other key forward in a side that got hammered)
• 11 disposals, 6 marks and 2 goals against the reigning premiers

Simms was ok and not much more at AFL level jury out as to where he makes it but he did alright for a first year ruckman.

Whitlock had one goal in total from a junktime Joe the Goose in an otherwise 2 possession (1 kick) game when played forward (admittedly was the sub but youd expect more from a forward in a side that was trouncing the opposition). His game as defender he had 5 clangers from 10 disposals. Looks miles away from AFL level

 

[the big lebowski]

Faull is a competitive beast that was regularly playing as our number one forward alongside other first year forwards. His kicking accuracy for goal is the only thing that stopped him having an all time debut year for a key forward coming off no preseason.

Armstrong again showed competitive intent and a work ethic that showed he is a 10+ year afl standard forward. Battled with injury for a large part of the year but absolutely showed more at AFL level.

Simms was ok and not much more at AFL level jury out as to where he makes it but he did alright for a first year ruckman.

Whitlock had one goal in total from a Joe the Goose in an otherwise 2 possession (1 kick) game when played forward (admittedly was the sub but youd expect more from a forward in a side that was trouncing the opposition). His game as defender he had 5 clangers from 10 disposals. Looks miles away from AFL level

You seem to be changing your assertion. You said Matt Whitlock struggled at vfl level. When infact he outperformed every Richmond tall.

That’s clearly a fact.

So again, why did you lie?

To convince yourself or to convince others?

At afl level, agree whitlock was not ready. That’s why he only played 2 games. When you struggle to bench press 100kgs that’s not unexpected is it?

Again, why are you so desperate to talk him down? It’s very weird to make up a narrative that facts clearly don’t support, and talk about how a first year tall player is that far off AFL standard.

It’s almost like you’re invested in his failure

Weird

 

[Aido97]

You seem to be changing your assertion. You said Matt Whitlock struggled at vfl level. When infact he outperformed every Richmond tall.

That’s clearly a fact.

So again, why did you lie?

To convince yourself or to convince others?

At afl level, agree whitlock was not ready. That’s why he only played 2 games. When you struggle to bench press 100kgs that’s not unexpected is it?

Again, why are you so desperate to talk him down? It’s very weird to make up a narrative that facts clearly don’t support, and talk about how a first year tall player is that far off AFL standard.

It’s almost like you’re invested in his failure

Weird

Sure. He just struggled badly at AFL Level. Didn't watch any of his VFL games however have a mate who is a mad north fan who said he lacked physicality even at that level.

It was a terrible trade for North. Noone is talking him down just stating facts

 

[the big lebowski]

Sure. He just struggled badly at AFL Level. Didn't watch any of his VFL games however have a mate who is a mad north fan who said he lacked physicality even at that level.

It was a terrible trade for North. Noone is talking him down just stating facts

You said he struggled at vfl level.

It’s a fact that you said it. Not a fact that he did.

I showed you that at vfl level he outperformed every one of your tall draftees.

That’s a fact.

I showed you how despite being not ready for afl level he basically did what your tall draftees did at the level.

You seem very very desperate to talk down a first year, thin, key position tall.

That’s also a fact

It’s like you have some sort of agenda

 

[Aido97]

You said he struggled at vfl level.

It’s a fact that you said it. Not a fact that he did.

I showed you that at vfl level he outperformed every one of your tall draftees.

That’s a fact.

I showed you how despite being not ready for afl level he basically did what your tall draftees did at the level.

You seem very very desperate to talk down a first year, thin, key position tall.

That’s also a fact

It’s like you have some sort of agenda

Is he your son or something? He was putrid at AFL level. The tigers boys all showed far more despite being the same age. He looks a bust. Key position players need mongrel and toughness and at no level has he shown it. The drafting move was perplexing at the time and 12 months later seems even more so. Theres no agenda behind that i was just replying to an earlier comment

 

[TheUnicorn]

Jeez the North fans in here are delusional.

 

[the big lebowski]

Is he your son or something? He was putrid at AFL level. The tigers boys all showed far more despite being the same age. He looks a bust. Key position players need mongrel and toughness and at no level has he shown it. The drafting move was perplexing at the time and 12 months later seems even more so. Theres no agenda behind that i was just replying to an earlier comment

“Struggled at vfl level” yet confesses to not seeing a game

“Tigers talls 100x better performance”
Yet basically the same stats

is he my son? No.

Did he root your mum?

No agenda?

 

[JZTIME!]

None of those Norf players have proven a thing. Whitlock looked horribly outside his depth even at vfl level for the most part. He keep crapping on about Richmond players having proved nothing but they’ve all shown 100x more than Whitlock

Whitlock looked a level above in VFL games hence why he debuted. Passing 20 possessions a lot of the time down back and intercepting, as well as using it well by foot. When forward kicking multiple goals on occasions as well. Definitely trolling here

 

[SnakeMan86]

Is he your son or something? He was putrid at AFL level. The tigers boys all showed far more despite being the same age. He looks a bust. Key position players need mongrel and toughness and at no level has he shown it. The drafting move was perplexing at the time and 12 months later seems even more so. Theres no agenda behind that i was just replying to an earlier comment

You clearly said he was out of his depth at VFL level....

If I were you i'd probably just take the L on this one and move on...

 

[the big lebowski]

You clearly said he was out of his depth at VFL level....

If I were you i'd probably just take the L on this one and move on...

For the record I think all of simms, faull and Armstrong look like great prospects

 

[Aido97]

“Struggled at vfl level” yet confesses to not seeing a game

“Tigers talls 100x better performance”
Yet basically the same stats

is he my son? No.

Did he root your mum?

No agenda?

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Their stats are nothing alike.

The tigers players AFL stats are miles ahead of anything Whitlock showed.

 

[Andyy]

Dont forget you got Callum Coleman-Jones too….

some of them still think he'll come good tbh

 

[Disco Dew]

If I were you i'd probably just take the L on this one and move on...

Haha no chance that’ll happen.

 

[SnakeMan86]

For the record I think all of simms, faull and Armstrong look like great prospects

It's like we both can't all be happy with our own talls without turning it into a dick measuring contest lol.

There bigs, and they are all going to develop at different rates, and can't be judged either way after one season of senior footy.

Whitlocks stats would be worse than Faull and Armstrongs for the simple fact that he was 3rd in line behind Larkey and Zurhaar in the forward 50. Faull and Armstrong were mostly 1 and 2 targets for most of there year.

 

[the big lebowski]

Their stats are nothing alike.

The tigers players AFL stats are miles ahead of anything Whitlock showed.

Simms

Ave disposals 6.8
Ave goals 0.4
Disposal efficiency 59%
TOG 72%

Faull

Ave disposals 7.2
Ave goals 0.6
Disposal efficiency 57%
TOG 76%

Armstrong

Ave disposals 6.6
Ave goals 0.8
Disposal efficiency 59%
TOG 70%

Whitlock

Ave disposals 6
Ave goals 0.5
Disposal efficiency 75%
TOG 50%

Maybe we have a different definition of “miles better” or “100 times better”