Operation Epstein Fury: US/Israel attack on Iran

[SaintsSeptember]

Ground troops is a disaster. USA couldn't win in Iraq or Afghanistan while Iran military is bigger bigger population bigger land area plus a mountainous nation is guaranteed to fail. Heck Saudi and US can't defeat Houthis who aren't even a military in Yemen.

There's speculation that they want to take over Kharg Island.

I agree with you completely regarding a mainland operation.
Kharg Island probably feasible.

 

[bourbons]

I was in USA not so long ago homeless and people on drugs their is insane, speaking to guy at a hotel he pays 500 USD a month for health insurance he cut himself while riding a bike needing stitches he went to hospital and they didn't let him in as his insurance didn't get coverage from that hospital so he needed to travel 50 minutes to a hospital that is covered while bleeding. Also paid 400 on top of that to get stitches. You think money for pointless war spent on it's people m

Shithole country.

 

[FromTheBoundaryLine]

The Israelis seem intent on trying to drag other countries into the war. They don’t want Trump to pull out before they have accomplished their aims which would most likely be exactly what we’ve been seeing in Gaza and Lebanon. They will be seeking to take out anyone in the Iranian regime who may have any authority to negotiate with the U.S. They definitely don’t want peace it would seem.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

In what way was Qatar an ally?

They tried to keep Iran on-side to avoid what's happening now, but Qatar have always been more closely aligned with the USA than with Iran.

That's why Iran is attacking them.

Still it makes no sense , they only did it because.....they could.
Iran:"We will avenge the attack on our gas field , by Israel.....by attacking ........... Qatar."(In my mind i hear an evil laugh)
Israel: "Ok. "

 

[stax on the mull]

The current drone launch rate is a fraction of the hundreds at a time we saw earlier in the conflict.
Most vulnerable seem to be Qatar.

The USA have been using bunker busting bombs along the south coast of Iran, do you suggest they were hunting for the rabbits, ( to save building another great wall )?

This is not new and not an ideal source, it would be interesting to see if anyone has tracked drone launches per day since the conflict started.

Iran’s missile fire rate has collapsed by 92%: What's next? | The Jerusalem Post

A data-driven comparison of Iranian ballistic missile and drone operations across Operation Rising Lion and Operation Roaring Lion/Epic Fury from March 9 with scenario modelling through March 23

www.jpost.com

 

[stax on the mull]

Take over Kharg Island to open up the Strait Of Hormuz...which was open before the war started.

 

[Saint]

Still it makes no sense , they only did it because.....they could.
Iran:"We will avenge the attack on our gas field , by Israel.....by attacking ........... Qatar."(In my mind i hear an evil laugh)
Israel: "Ok. "

No, they're doing it to force pressure on the USA by increasing the price of oil.

It's the same reason they are closing the strait, which they always said they would do. None of the oil or gas is US/Israel's gas. They're deliberately spiking gas/oil prices. That's their goal. That was what they have always said they would do if the USA attacked them.

It seems like they've laid a few mines in the International shipping lane and it's only the lane closer to the Iranian coast which friendly shipping can use. US-allied oil and gas is not being allowed, just like they said.

Why are people acting surprised or not understanding this?

Iran said "If you attack us, we will close the Strait and the price of oil will be the highest it has ever been". The fact they're attacking oil and gas facilities as well is probably the only unexpected part on behalf of the USA. But it was always going to be the Gulf states punished if the US attacked Iran.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Take over Kharg Island to open up the Strait Of Hormuz...which was open before the war started.

I think Iran then takes out all the oil production facilities in the ME if that happens.

It will be an uncontrolled chain reaction/

 

[Not Important]

aipac is a toxic pestilence.so pleasing there are some signs of the zionist diaspora losing its power and influence. if there's anything good that comes from the gaza genocide it might be the world sees the evil at the heart of zionism

 

[Not Important]

no, it's because of the zealotry and cruelty of zionism. netanyahu is about as devoted to judaism as trump is to christianity

 

[Not Important]

it's not the first time the u.s has lied in order to invade. in fact, they do it all the time.

 

[Not Important]

and iran was stable until the u.s overthrew pm mosaddegh in 1953, cos he wanted to nationalise iran's oil industry.

 

[Cyg1992]

Nobody, Zidane just likes reminding everybody that one side is bad (no comment on the other side. Iran is killing civilians and that's terrible and Israelis are white, so they can do what they like).

Meanwhile, Heating Oil has hit an all-time high price (higher than Russian invasion). At least people will start disconnecting the old systems which run on them.

His melt calling someone else a bot was comical and peak irony.

 

[schneebly111]

Take over Kharg Island to open up the Strait Of Hormuz...which was open before the war started.

Kharg Island is well towards the north west coast of the Gulf. Any seaborne force coming to seize it has to first get through the Strait of Hormuz then sail along 500kms of Iranian mountains taking missile hits along the way before they even get within sight of Kharg.

A helicopter assault would be more likely, but don’t think the Iranians haven’t wired the place with detonators to blow as soon as it looks likely it’ll fall into American hands, rendering the site useless.

Hare is a very small island so it can expect the full weight of long range artillery and missiles being pounded down on it with a huge loss of US troops. For what reason? The Yanks aren’t going to be exporting oil out of Kharg.

 

[Cyg1992]

“Being a member of MAGA is practically being a neo-Nazi”, really shows how the divide and conquer strategy is effective on you. Encourage people to hate their neighbours instead of directing it to the power source that controls both sides.

Sorry but voting for maga is a direct vote for that power source.

Someone gullible enough to fall for it because it's dressed up in racism should be scorned by their neighbours for making everyone else's life harder unnecessarily, not to mention the mountains of dead bodies.

 

[2 eazy]

Shithole country.

Thing is should be best in the world if government spend money wisely

 

[stax on the mull]

I think Iran then takes out all the oil production facilities in the ME if that happens.

It will be an uncontrolled chain reaction/

Kharg Island is well towards the north west coast of the Gulf. Any seaborne force coming to seize it has to first get through the Strait of Hormuz then sail along 500kms of Iranian mountains taking missile hits along the way before they even get within sight of Kharg.

A helicopter assault would be more likely, but don’t think the Iranians haven’t wired the place with detonators to blow as soon as it looks likely it’ll fall into American hands, rendering the site useless.

Hare is a very small island so it can expect the full weight of long range artillery and missiles being pounded down on it with a huge loss of US troops. For what reason? The Yanks aren’t going to be exporting oil out of Kharg.

Analysis already suggests occupying Kharg Island will be difficult to defend, and Iran even has some other route options where they can export oil to run their economy at a survival level.

It's more a comment on where US is at with their military strategy. Their major focus now has become opening the Strait of Hormuz which wasn't closed when they started the war.

 

[stax on the mull]

Who is in charge? Israel or US?



(It's likely BS, as several reports as it was happening had mentioned that Israel's bombing of South Pars gas fields was with US approval.)

 

[Thrawn]

it's not the first time the u.s has lied in order to invade. in fact, they do it all the time.

I detest Netanyahu and trump as much as you, but I dont let it get in the way of reality. While I have no specific understanding of the current situation, when the US bombed the enrichment facilities last time around, it was with very good reason.

The UN"s nuclear body, the IAEA, estimated that Iran had stock piled 100's of kilos of uranium enriched to about 60% - this is frighteningly high. Uranium for the use of power only has to be enriched to a lower figure 20% max (more like 5%) - uranium for nuclear weapons has to be much higher, 80% or more.

If you can trust the IAEA, then there is zero doubt the Iranian regime was pursuing nuclear weapons. Time and time again they were saying they are doing this for peaceful purposes - this is clearly not true and demonstrates how the regime used 'negotiations' to buy time.

Furthermore the regime's modus operandi is to use proxies to push plausible deniability. It is not too much of a stretch to see the situation where all of a sudden hamas, hezbollah or the you this suddenly become nuclear armed, perhaps planting smaller nuclear devices by hand. Would the Iranian regime be crazy enough to do this? Maybe Khamenei wouldn't have been, but he doesn't wield absolute power. The republican guard are essentially a law onto themselves and have their own religious zealots who see the end justifying any means.

Perhaps netanyahu and trump exaggerated the timeline for their own purposes, we should find out in time. But it really was a matter of time until that regime obtained nuclear weapons if nothing was done.

What reality is that again?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think Iran then takes out all the oil production facilities in the ME if that happens.

It will be an uncontrolled chain reaction/

I'm not the only one who thinks they no longer have that capability.

 

[King Patty]

now news.com.au I mean they love negative stuff. Talking about nuclear bombs being reality in Iran - Us- Israel conflict.

Some bright news for your Thursday afternoon....
The World Health Organisation says it is now preparing for the possibility of a nuclear incident as the barrage of US strikes on Iranian atomic sites continue.

Is this the real reason the elite have built their bunkers, Zuckerberg etc

 

[stax on the mull]

(It's likely BS, as several reports as it was happening had mentioned that Israel's bombing of South Pars gas fields was with US approval.)

 

[Angak]

Who is in charge? Israel or US?



(It's likely BS, as several reports as it was happening had mentioned that Israel's bombing of South Pars gas fields was with US approval.)

This is how someone who splits his business interests between Israel and Qatar talks.

 

[FromTheBoundaryLine]

I detest Netanyahu and trump as much as you, but I dont let it get in the way of reality. While I have no specific understanding of the current situation, when the US bombed the enrichment facilities last time around, it was with very good reason.

The UN"s nuclear body, the IAEA, estimated that Iran had stock piled 100's of kilos of uranium enriched to about 60% - this is frighteningly high. Uranium for the use of power only has to be enriched to a lower figure 20% max (more like 5%) - uranium for nuclear weapons has to be much higher, 80% or more.

If you can trust the IAEA, then there is zero doubt the Iranian regime was pursuing nuclear weapons. Time and time again they were saying they are doing this for peaceful purposes - this is clearly not true and demonstrates how the regime used 'negotiations' to buy time.

Furthermore the regime's modus operandi is to use proxies to push plausible deniability. It is not too much of a stretch to see the situation where all of a sudden hamas, hezbollah or the you this suddenly become nuclear armed, perhaps planting smaller nuclear devices by hand. Would the Iranian regime be crazy enough to do this? Maybe Khamenei wouldn't have been, but he doesn't wield absolute power. The republican guard are essentially a law onto themselves and have their own religious zealots who see the end justifying any means.

Perhaps netanyahu and trump exaggerated the timeline for their own purposes, we should find out in time. But it really was a matter of time until that regime obtained nuclear weapons if nothing was done.

You make some good points. I did listen to one very experienced military tactician and trainer who had modelled multiple scenarios regarding Iran ( I’ll try and post a link). He suggested that the U.S. and Israel lost control of the nuclear situation in Iran during last year’s attack on the nuclear facility. He pointed out that the U.S. and Israel knew exactly where the nuclear materials were being stored and therefor could monitor things but Iran, acting on intelligence, moved a lot of it prior to the bombing and now they have absolutely no idea where most of it is. In other words they made the situation less secure.

 

[Saint]

Guaranteed, every day, Bibi calls Trump and says "we have intelligence that they will capitulate if we just do one more attack today, then everything will be fine"
"Ok, Bibi"
" Good boy, reek"

Qatar and the other gulf states complained to Trump and Israel is left laughing.

Trump is the dumbest world leader since the inbreeding in Europe.