Analysis Stadium deals - what, how, when - why we need a new one and the SA footy paradigm shift happening

[RussellEbertHandball]

I'm no lawyer but I would have thought one of abuse of market power / restraint of trade could be at play here?

Also the fact that the SMA objected to our licence is only half of the story. On what grounds was their objection upheld? Surely not on undercutting their prices. That would be anti-competitive surely?

correct you are no lawyer. no one is going to take this to court. liquor licence holders have the right to object to potential competition.

Dig around in the GDV thread and you will find stuff about the SMA's grounds for objections. Read a few pages either side of page 70. I think Doctor Feel linked some stuff about the official proceedings somewhere after page 70.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gameday-village-annexed-by-the-sma.1094730/page-70

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[TeeKray]

Also the fact that the SMA objected to our licence is only half of the story. On what grounds was their objection upheld? Surely not on undercutting their prices. That would be anti-competitive surely?

On the grounds that it's Adelaide and the default answer to wanting to do anything new and innovative is always going to be 'no'.

 

[Killer Power]

correct you are no lawyer. no one is going to take this to court. liquor licence holders have the right to object to potential competition.

Dig around in the GDV thread and you will find stuff about the SMA's grounds for objections. Read a few pages either side of page 70. I think Doctor Feel linked some stuff about the official proceedings somewhere after page 70.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gameday-village-annexed-by-the-sma.1094730/page-70

Thanks for the balanced and factual response but I was looking for the emotionally unhinged one where we take on the SMA and anyone else who stands in our way. **** em all!!!

 

[jo172]

I'm no lawyer but I would have thought one of abuse of market power / restraint of trade could be at play here?

Also the fact that the SMA objected to our licence is only half of the story. On what grounds was their objection upheld? Surely not on undercutting their prices. That would be anti-competitive surely?

95% of the work the Licencing Court does is rather thinly veiled anti-competitive cases. Essentially just Coles, Woolworths and the bigger independents making notionally arguable objections which at the very least delay (and if the proponent isn't well resourced prevent).

 

[Doctor Feel]

Nice to see the gloves come off. Many moons ago I posted plenty about this and the SMA objections to our licence and so on. We tried 5 or 6 different configurations and all of them got knocked back by the ACC or the SMA. Though it must be said, surprisingly the ACC were never our enemy in this. It was purely the SMA.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Nice to see the gloves come off. Many moons ago I posted plenty about this and the SMA objections to our licence and so on. We tried 5 or 6 different configurations and all of them got knocked back by the ACC or the SMA. Though it must be said, surprisingly the ACC were never our enemy in this. It was purely the SMA.

Didn't the Commissioner reject at least one of the submissions we made to piggy back off the Tennis SA liquor licence or was that the Licensing Court?

 

[Jakksynn]

This seems to be the core of the issue here. If it ends up profitable we’d see none of it, and if it isn’t profitable we want to be guaranteed the shortfall wouldn’t be put on us. The SMA are withholding a bunch of info and making it pretty obvious they only care about themselves.

 

[LFC2010]

correct you are no lawyer. no one is going to take this to court. liquor licence holders have the right to object to potential competition.

Dig around in the GDV thread and you will find stuff about the SMA's grounds for objections. Read a few pages either side of page 70. I think Doctor Feel linked some stuff about the official proceedings somewhere after page 70.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gameday-village-annexed-by-the-sma.1094730/page-70

Hurley getting his mates to help out again with the golden cheque book!!!.

 

[OneGreatClub]

It feels like the SMA wants to cripple the club(s).
Strange, killing the goose that laid the Golden Egg.
Perhaps if we get the Commonwealth games there will be another oval in competition with AO and we can get a fairer deal.

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

SMA are now publically denying they ever did it.

"But Stadium Management Authority CEO Andrew Daniels told reporters this afternoon the claim was “outrageous” and “totally incorrect”.
He said the SMA had never opposed any liquor licence application by Port Adelaide and had never expressed antipathy towards the Game Day Village."

 

[NTRabbit]

SMA are now publically denying they ever did it.

"But Stadium Management Authority CEO Andrew Daniels told reporters this afternoon the claim was “outrageous” and “totally incorrect”.
He said the SMA had never opposed any liquor licence application by Port Adelaide and had never expressed antipathy towards the Game Day Village."

Sometimes I wonder if there's a special kind of yet to be researched brain damage that lets these corporate and political types lie so blatantly, and yet be utterly convinced of their truth

 

[Papa G]

SMA are now publically denying they ever did it.

"But Stadium Management Authority CEO Andrew Daniels told reporters this afternoon the claim was “outrageous” and “totally incorrect”.
He said the SMA had never opposed any liquor licence application by Port Adelaide and had never expressed antipathy towards the Game Day Village."

Nice to see the gloves come off. Many moons ago I posted plenty about this and the SMA objections to our licence and so on. We tried 5 or 6 different configurations and all of them got knocked back by the ACC or the SMA. Though it must be said, surprisingly the ACC were never our enemy in this. It was purely the SMA.

Any way of sending this evidence to the media?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It feels like the SMA wants to cripple the club(s).
Strange, killing the goose that laid the Golden Egg.
Perhaps if we get the Commonwealth games there will be another oval in competition with AO and we can get a fairer deal.

If SA get the Comm Games, AO will only be used for opening and closing ceremony. It will be too disruptive to change it for the Games period and have no footy for maybe 2 months.

The MCG hosted the Comm Games in early March and the first footy game after ripping up the track was ANZAC day, but they transferred about 12 to 15 games to Docklands, and then MCG loaded up in the back 2/3rds of the year, but were still down 6-8 games on a normal year. Can't really do that at AO and unlike the GC (which hosted the Games from early April) the 2 SA teams wont accept 5 to 8 weeks with no footy in Adelaide depending on a a March or April start. They wont host the games in October like Brisbane did in 1982.

They will build an athletics venue that like the original London Olympics main stadium design, and it will have 40,000-50,000 capacity for the Games, but then part of it taken down post games, and have a 20,000 or so capacity as a permanent athletics venue and also used by rectangle sports.

London Stadium was supposed to be taken down like a giant Meccano set and leave a permanent national athletics centre with one level of stands all around the ground with 25,000 seats after 80,000 were installed for the Olympics. But the desire to have another big stadium in London saw politicians search for decent permanent large tenant and West Ham took out a lease, it was reconfigured to 60,000 capacity and an athletics track sits under 20,000 or so "movable" seats. West Ham played their first home game their in August 2016 and then it hosted 2017 IAAF World Athletics Championships and I doubt those "movable" seats will ever be moved again.

The original master plan for London

https://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/2012-olympic-stadium/
The stadium, which will be at the south of the Olympic Park and within walking distance of the Olympic village, will be fitted with 80,000 seats, 55,000 of which will be dismantled after the games, leaving a capacity of 25,000. The venue will become a community stadium for athletics, rugby and lower-league football, with a permanent athletics track. There will also be a training, science and medicine centre.

 

[Doctor Feel]

SMA are now publically denying they ever did it.

"But Stadium Management Authority CEO Andrew Daniels told reporters this afternoon the claim was “outrageous” and “totally incorrect”.
He said the SMA had never opposed any liquor licence application by Port Adelaide and had never expressed antipathy towards the Game Day Village."

lol i've seen it with my own eyes. They're so full of it. As if Port would go guns blazing over something like this if there was no evidence. Even if it wasn't true, you could find your way through the proxy opposers right back to Peter Hurley and the other SMA board members with vested interests.

The SMA are losing here. They're getting careless.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

SMA are now publically denying they ever did it.

"But Stadium Management Authority CEO Andrew Daniels told reporters this afternoon the claim was “outrageous” and “totally incorrect”.
He said the SMA had never opposed any liquor licence application by Port Adelaide and had never expressed antipathy towards the Game Day Village."

There were bloody applications lodged with the Commissioner with the SMA objecting. The SMA were reported to have whinged about too many drunks after a game and opposed it on those grounds. **** we have 100+ page thread, where lots of links to their objections are posted, with all this shit.

And this little campaigner Daniels blatantly lies that its not true. I bloody hope we lodge all this evidence with the Select Committee and then they call Daniels in and ask him why he is blatantly lying about this, and what other lies did he put into his official submission to the Select Committee. FFS the guy should be completely publicly ridiculed for speaking so much complete and utter farken bullshit.

 

[LFC2010]

Daniel’s is utter scum... actually the whole board are full of scum.

What next, are they gonna stop CBD food outlets retailers from opening on gameday’s.

 

[elsler]

if they could they'd try

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

All Port Power lies and it's damaging!

 

[ibd77]

Interesting how the SMA are crying poor but are not prepared to open for business outside of sporting events.

New Years Eve was a classic example with the Riverbank Stand Bar being closed immediately after the Strikers game. However the view from the Riverbank Stand Bar would have made a killing for the NYE fireworks display and late night revellers.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/mess...w/news-story/45fb3403245142524c0a449623a7bd41

 

[Janus]

I love the fact that KT went right for the jugular of the SANFL by using the GDV and the lack of competition to their exorbitant beverage prices inside the stadium.

You can tell it hit them right where it hurts. Especially since the club has basically said “Don’t buy alcohol in the stadium, these are the campaigners that shut down the GDV.”

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/mess...w/news-story/45fb3403245142524c0a449623a7bd41
Mr Daniels also took aim at Port Adelaide chief executive Keith Thomas, following claims the SMA effectively killed off the club’s popular “Game Day Village” before matches at the Oval after a “concerted effort”. Fronting the inquiry, Mr Thomas said the club encountered significant opposition from the SMA to run the popular event. “It proved to be immensely popular … that put us in conflict with the Oval, who probably had a number of issues with it,” Mr Thomas said. “One was that we were providing our patrons with cheaper beer, which was pretty popular. “What happened over the next two or three years was a really concerted effort (by the SMA) to ensure that operating that space was as difficult as humanely possible to the point that we no longer do that.”

Mr Daniels labelled the claims “outrageous”, “totally incorrect” and “offensive”. “Any suggestion that we in some way tried to prevent a Game Day Village is totally rejected, it is totally wrong,” he said. “I don’t know why Keith said that … the damage that sort of incorrect statement does is pretty horrific. “To suggest in someway that we would undermine an activity of a club in some way is just outrageous.”
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/mess...w/news-story/45fb3403245142524c0a449623a7bd41

 

[OneGreatClub]

lol i've seen it with my own eyes. They're so full of it. As if Port would go guns blazing over something like this if there was no evidence. Even if it wasn't true, you could find your way through the proxy opposers right back to Peter Hurley and the other SMA board members with vested interests.

The SMA are losing here. They're getting careless.

****ing liars