Scott Morrison - How Long? (Part 1 - Continued in Part 2)

[Donakebab]

So Senate Estimates has gone ahead today. How dumb are you Scomo that you didn't call the election straight after Shorten's reply and avoid the grilling over Chrismas Island/PaladinCDC/Redress/etc etc etc... Everyone is still going to talk about the strength of Labor's proposed budget, but they will have added fuel over refreshers of how shit your reign has been.

 

[Pessimistic]

All so his ugly mug can pollute out TV screens on our weekend time

 

[Donakebab]

All so his ugly mug can pollute out TV screens on our weekend time

Call the election on a Friday and he'll still be all over our screens for the weekend and the whole month thereafter.

 

[GreyWind]

If the dickhead insists on wearing that Australian lapel pin he could at least have it the right way up when he's in public. Also doesn't help this budget luncheon speech is ****ing dross.

 

[JackOutback]

If the dickhead insists on wearing that Australian lapel pin he could at least have it the right way up when he's in public. Also doesn't help this budget luncheon speech is ******* dross.

He's probably looking down on it thinking it is the right way up.

 

[AM]

Scummo following the Trump playbook. Give truth and decency the flick and just tell lie after lie. Political Neanderthals and the neo cons thrive on shysters.

 

[Badesumofu]

ScoMo is amazingly ignorant in what he's been saying about cancer treatments. I won't go into detail, but someone close to me has stage 4 cancer and what I will say is that Labor's policy will save lives and allow cancer sufferers in many cases to not have to chose between life saving treatments and continuing to have a home to live in. Morriscum is utterly clueless and clearly just has no idea how this stuff works and what it costs, currently.

From the party that outright forgot that people on Newstart even exist, it doesn't surprise me that they would be this out of touch when it comes to another vulnerable section of our community.

 

[Crankyhawk]

ScoMo is amazingly ignorant in what he's been saying about cancer treatments. I won't go into detail, but someone close to me has stage 4 cancer and what I will say is that Labor's policy will save lives and allow cancer sufferers in many cases to not have to chose between life saving treatments and continuing to have a home to live in. Morriscum is utterly clueless and clearly just has no idea how this stuff works and what it costs, currently.

From the party that outright forgot that people on Newstart even exist, it doesn't surprise me that they would be this out of touch when it comes to another vulnerable section of our community.

Believes it is all accessible via public hospitals. Except when access block denies or delays access to care...

 

[GreyCrow]

You can always pray yourself back to health

 

[Gough]

The best thing about Scummo is we no longer have to listen to aging boomers banging on about how Billy McMahon is the worst PM in living memory.

 

[JackOutback]

The best thing about Scummo is we no longer have to listen to aging boomers banging on about how Billy McMahon is the worst PM in living memory.

Still reckon Abbott has him covered. Both achieved ****-all but Abbott's missteps were far more hilarious (the budget, women's minister, shirtfronting Putin, knighthoods etc).

 

[Heisenberg_]

Still reckon Abbott has him covered. Both achieved ****-all but Abbott's missteps were far more hilarious (the budget, women's minister, shirtfronting Putin, knighthoods etc).

I’m pretty confident given how much of a joke ScuMo has been in his short time in the big boy chair, if he has as long as Abbott did he would make Abbott look like one of the great world leaders.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

This is like asking who ****ed up Richmond more, Spud or the Sun God

 

[AM]

ScoMo is amazingly ignorant in what he's been saying about cancer treatments. I won't go into detail, but someone close to me has stage 4 cancer and what I will say is that Labor's policy will save lives and allow cancer sufferers in many cases to not have to chose between life saving treatments and continuing to have a home to live in. Morriscum is utterly clueless and clearly just has no idea how this stuff works and what it costs, currently.

From the party that outright forgot that people on Newstart even exist, it doesn't surprise me that they would be this out of touch when it comes to another vulnerable section of our community.

It's not ignorance in my view. It's deliberate deceit in response to an issue he thinks will hurt him electorally. The man is devoid of any scruples.

 

[CakeEater]

The best thing about Scummo is we no longer have to listen to aging boomers banging on about how Billy McMahon is the worst PM in living memory.

Surely it’s Nip/tuck between the two

 

[Tiges1229]

FMD Sco Mo holding back tears talking about royal Commission for disability , unbelievable. All of a sudden he is supposingly this caring and compassionate leader , go and get ****ed!!

 

[GreyWind]

FMD Sco Mo holding back tears talking about royal Commission for disability , unbelievable. All of a sudden he is supposingly this caring and compassionate leader , go and get ******!!

I remember that time his Government had the longest question time to avoid voting. He's a deadset disgrace, he can take his crocodile tears and use em as lube for the reaming his party is about to take.

 

[DaRick]

The best thing about Scummo is we no longer have to listen to aging boomers banging on about how Billy McMahon is the worst PM in living memory.

Still reckon Abbott has him covered. Both achieved ****-all but Abbott's missteps were far more hilarious (the budget, women's minister, shirtfronting Putin, knighthoods etc).

A comparison between Abbott and McMahon (posted by one of Abbott's former associates, no less), points out that they have quite a lot of similarities, and that the points of difference (homosexuality/Senate/immigration policy) don't really favour Abbott.

His Wikivaluation explains the contempt for him as such (bold emphasised by me):

McMahon is often ranked among Australia's worst prime ministers. In 2001, five out of six historians surveyed by Australian Financial Review ranked him among their worst five prime ministers.[54] Similarly, The Age surveyed eight historians in 2004 and all but one ranked McMahon as Australia's worst prime minister since World War II.[55] Some of McMahon's most prominent critics have been those who served with him in cabinet. John Gorton called him "utterly untrustworthy",[56] while Doug Anthony said he was "just not big enough for the job".[57] Malcolm Fraser said he "had an insatiable ambition [...] he wasn't immoral, he was totally amoral".[58] Billy Snedden considered McMahon "conspiratorial, devious, untrustworthy",[56] and Paul Hasluck viewed him as "disloyal, devious, dishonest, untrustworthy, petty, cowardly", in his diaries referring to him as "that treacherous bastard".[59]

McMahon was nicknamed "Billy the Leak" for his willingness to divulge intimate and confidential information to the media. Despite this, he was disliked by many journalists and political commentators. Donald Horne called him "perhaps the silliest prime minister we ever had",[57] and Peter Ryan said that "McMahon's way of politics was one of lying and leaking, conniving and conspiring, deceit and double-crossing".[60] Malcolm Mackerras thought that he had "no achievements beyond actually getting the top job".[61] Laurie Oakes, who spent over 50 years in the Canberra Press Gallery, viewed McMahon as "a liar and a sneak" and rated him as the worst prime minister he had worked with.[62] Oakes recalled that he had continued leaking cabinet discussions even after becoming prime minister, and accused him of once having stolen a tape recorder.[59]

The big thing that distinguishes McMahon from Abbott is his tendency to leak to the press. I don't really recall Abbott doing this, but posters here are free to correct me. Additionally, Abbott at least won an election comfortably after being Opposition Leader, which McMahon never did. Also, despite his back-stabbing ways, Abbott being reluctant to pitch out Credlin/Hockey/Bronwyn Bishop has been framed as a misguided sense of loyalty.

The bold IMO at least arguably apply to Abbott. Abbott IMO was really a limited politician who excelled as an attack-dog but little else - he lacked a strong sense of diplomacy and not only lacked the ability to delegate, but also any sense of what might constitute effective, well-thought out policy which would objectively provide positive results for the many. Unlike Hawke/Keating/(maybe) Rudd he also had limited personal charisma. Plus let's not talk about him making promises that with hindsight he had no real intention of keeping. Deceit and double-crossing right there. In addition, it's at least arguable that Tony sneakily undermined Turnbull and did help to connive/conspire to bring about his downfall as PM.

Apparently he even scores worse than McMahon in terms of productivity (0.434 vs 0.390 acts passed per day).

Now as for the positive things that were said about McMahon (bold emphasised by me):

Some writers have defended McMahon's reputation, arguing that he was a skilled politician who has been unfairly scapegoated for an almost inevitable election loss. According to John Hawkins, McMahon was "grudgingly admired for his energy and diligence",[63] and generally acknowledged as having a mastery of economic policy.[61] Mungo MacCallum, while noting that he left no lasting achievements, called his prime ministership a "brief but cheerful interlude" and praised him for leaving office with good grace.[64] Marian Simms compared McMahon to Richard Nixon, suggesting that his character traits have been overemphasised,[55] while Troy Bramston viewed him as "a prime minister who clearly understood the challenge of the times and was fighting to get his ship back on course" when he was forced out of office.[57] Andrew Peacock, who served in McMahon's ministry, said that McMahon was "much better than he has been painted... He is somewhat ill-treated by history", and described him as "difficult, irascible, nervous yet capable".[65] In his memoirs, Gough Whitlam wrote that McMahon was "an extraordinarily skilful, resourceful and tenacious politician ... had he been otherwise, the ALP victory in December 1972 would have been more convincing than it was".[66]

The bold parts represent what I perceive as points of difference from Abbott.

McMahon's superior productivity indicates that he was more diligent RE creating policy than Abbott. McMahon was sometimes criticised for his economic policy, but few people have had much good to say about Abbott/Hockey in that department. At this point, Abbott will be removed from his seat kicking and screaming and his behaviour towards Turnbull indicated that he very much had hard feelings upon leaving the PM office.

It is also not clear that Abbott understood the challenges of the times - there was no call to implement knighthoods, nor was there any need to implement an unpopular right-wing budget when the inflation rate was already at a low 2.5% at the time. Even if he understood the 'challenge' of paying off the debt (which was already quite low by OECD standards), he utterly failed to do so.

Knighthoods aside, there was not much to cheer about during Abbott's reign (and even that was for ironic reasons), unless you were an opposition member. I guess his handling of the MH17 incident could have been worse, but he undermined even that by threatening to 'shirt-front' Putin.

Abbott was a tenacious operator in the right role - opposition leader with license to attack. But was he skilful or capable beyond that? IMO no - he was too limited a politician.

Abbott served for slightly longer than McMahon, so he has that, I guess.

I'm not going to say that Abbott was worse than McMahon, but such a view would be understandable in light of the above.

EDIT: Scott Morrison for mine doesn't really count unless he wins the next election (hardly looking likely at this stage). For now, he's just the caretaker.

 

[NSWCROW]

Call the election you weak mutt !!!

 

[Northalives]

FMD Sco Mo holding back tears talking about royal Commission for disability , unbelievable. All of a sudden he is supposingly this caring and compassionate leader , go and get ******!!

Check this out to see just what kind of a lying, deceitful bastard this Morrison is and how you cannot believe anything that comes out of this monsters mouth. He'll do anything and say anything if he reckons there's votes in it.

http://dpoa.org.au/labor-suppprt-royal-commission/

At the end of 2015, a Senate Inquiry Report recommending a Royal Commission into Violence against People with Disability, plus an overhaul of the justice system and a national watchdog body. The Coalition Senators on this committee, Zed Seselja and Joanna Lindgren, said that there did not need to be a Royal Commission and that a judicial inquiry should be “considered” and they were open to further investigation of “this crucial matter”: nothing happened of course and the former Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, resisted calls for a national inquiry into the abuse of people with disabilities, arguing states and territories had responsibility for disability services even though the Commonwealth had assumed responsibility for disability services!

 

[GreyWind]

Has Scummo already qualified for a Life Gold Pass yet?

 

[Badesumofu]

On Abbott versus ScoMo - Abbott won Government from opposition. That trumps the entirety of Morrison’s lifetime achievements.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

On Abbott versus ScoMo - Abbott won Government from opposition. That trumps the entirety of Morrison’s lifetime achievements.

Morrison will never be more than the Relief Teacher.

 

[NTRabbit]

Morrison will never be more than the Relief Teacher.

The Nightwatchman

 

[Gough]

The Nightwatchman

And not a good one like Dizzy or Tony Mann or Eddie Hemmings.