We're a Shit Show - Fagan is a Complete Fraud, We're Rotten to the Core

[Cap]

So, that only means that the AFL approve the direct elect board members, that’s not new news. You posted that they’re not responsible for what happens at the AFC, only responsible to the AFL. They are responsible up and down. The CEO operates under their discretion, that is what clause 34 is all about. You’re trying to say that they are not responsible under the constitution for what happens at the club because they’re responsible to the AFL. They are responsible for both, how can you not understand this.

If you’re suggesting that the AFL is demanding that they ignore clause 34 or they won’t be reappointed then you need to get some sparkles for your tin hat. The AFL are not interested in how we go as long as we’re not a financial burden or bringing the game into disrepute. Our board have complete control and responsibility for all club operations either directly or via the CEO. You need to stop saying the buck stops at the CEO because of the AFL, it doesn’t and the constitution specifically ensures that it doesn’t.

The buck stops with the CEO. It literally stops with the CEO.

They have control in the sense they can fire him, but they don't tell him how to do his job.

As it says in the constitution, they interact, but if nothing is noteworthy they move on. The hiring, firing, the bullshit camps, the ridiculous employment of Burton, the incredibly opaque structures, all that is Fagan .

They can sack him for sure. But at this stage, why?

Are as a supporter base have our hands tied for another decade, because Chapman made sure his and anyone who replaces him can't be booted anyway. It's complete bullshit. Our board is completely isolated from anything.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Misery loves company my avian friends. SA football is not in a good state.

The SMA and the SANFL have no small part in this, besides our own incompetence. Both clubs should be juggernauts based on our attendances and memberships and yet...

 

[1970crow]

The buck stops with the CEO. It literally stops with the CEO.

They have control in the sense they can fire him, but they don't tell him how to do his job.

As it says in the constitution, they interact, but if nothing is noteworthy they move on. The hiring, firing, the bullshit camps, the ridiculous employment of Burton, the incredibly opaque structures, all that is Fagan .

They can sack him for sure. But at this stage, why?

Are as a supporter base have our hands tied for another decade, because Chapman made sure his and anyone who replaces him can't be booted anyway. It's complete bullshit. Our board is completely isolated from anything.

“Managed by or under the direction of”. The can instruct Fagan to do whatever they please as long as it doesn’t contravene the constitution itself or the Associations Act. Obviously micro-managing isn’t ordinarily the best way to go, but they could have him sack whoever they please and then wear the consequences. Unless there’s something contradictory in Fagan’s employment contract.

 

[Elite Crow]

“Managed by or under the direction of”. The can instruct Fagan to do whatever they please as long as it doesn’t contravene the constitution itself or the Associations Act. Obviously micro-managing isn’t ordinarily the best way to go, but they could have him sack whoever they please and then wear the consequences. Unless there’s something contradictory in Fagan’s employment contract.

If the Board told Fagan to sack Burton Fagan would sack Burton, but we know that won’t happen as Burton’s best mate is on the Board. That has nothing to do with the AFL controlling us.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Misery loves company my avian friends. SA football is not in a good state.

The SMA and the SANFL have no small part in this, besides our own incompetence. Both clubs should be juggernauts based on our attendances and memberships and yet...

A small part? They have everything to blame for this. They are 100% the problem for both clubs failing at every turn.

From the smallest of issues of scheduling an SANFL game to avidly bitching about the crow and power drafting players in the mid season draft. The West Coast and Fremantle (Peel Thunder) played a WAFL curtain raiser before the WA derby last night. The would never happen in SA. Never.

Both the Power and crows should have had reserves sides years ago to allow both clubs to control their players and and every resource available given to them to make them sucessful. But not in South Australia. Oh god no!!

 

[1970crow]

If the Board told Fagan to sack Burton Fagan would sack Burton, but we know that won’t happen as Burton’s best mate is on the Board. That has nothing to do with the AFL controlling us.

They don’t control us any more than we members control our member elect representatives. AFL appoint the board members based upon recommendation from a constituted committee of our choosing. They then serve their term. And then the board control the operations of the footy club, either directly or via their appointed CEO. We are not controlled by the AFL once a board member is approved. Cap posted that board are only responsible to the AFL and have no downward responsibility or authority at a club management level. This is wrong. He has posted that the buck stops with Fagan alone, it doesn’t, it stops with the board who set Fagan’s agenda.

 

[ManInTheArena]

The buck ultimately stops with the board. If the CEO is shit, that's their fault. It just so happens the board are also shit so they don't sack a shit CEO.

 

[evo]

Both the Power and crows should have had reserves sides years ago to allow both clubs to control their players and and every resource available given to them to make them sucessful. But not in South Australia. Oh god no!!

This is the best idea.

One of the best things Richmond did was get our own VFL team in 2014. Before that we had little control over our 2nds players as our affiliate Coburg 's coach had conflicting interests. We couldn't teach our kids how to play the way Hardwick was training the firsts.

VFL coach MAcrae had a lot to with our 2017 premiership. Thats why young guys like Graham stepped straight in and played well, they knew the system.

 

[Doctor Feel]

A small part? They have everything to blame for this. They are 100% the problem for both clubs failing at every turn.

From the smallest of issues of scheduling an SANFL game to avidly bitching about the crow and power drafting players in the mid season draft. The West Coast and Fremantle (Peel Thunder) played a WAFL curtain raiser before the WA derby last night. The would never happen in SA. Never.

Both the Power and crows should have had reserves sides years ago to allow both clubs to control their players and and every resource available given to them to make them sucessful. But not in South Australia. Oh god no!!

At our members insider day, Chris Davies spoke at length as to how much of a disadvantage to development that the SANFL restrictions on our sides give us. Particularly the different rules and the players in finals and so on. The SANFL is the only league in Australia that is not governed by the AFL. Such a ridiculous state of affairs. We are 50 years in the past.

The ****ing tail wags the dog in this state. SANFL controlling the SMA and no AFL club votes on the SMA board (or transparency on spending and finances).

It's quite frankly maddening.

 

[MRB37]

This is the best idea.

One of the best things Richmond did was get our own VFL team in 2014. Before that we had little control over our 2nds players as our affiliate Coburg 's coach had conflicting interests. We couldn't teach our kids how to play the way Hardwick was training the firsts.

VFL coach MAcrae had a lot to with our 2017 premiership. Thats why young guys like Graham stepped straight in and played well, they knew the system.

We have a reserves side to teach players the system, but they're inexperienced, so Pyke instead chooses to hide players in roles they're probably not suited for to gain experience. But they play poorly, so they get dropped. Or they get stuck in the SANFL for years until they're like a robot and know the system down pat.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The buck ultimately stops with the board. If the CEO is shit, that's their fault. It just so happens the board are also shit so they don't sack a shit CEO.

They are protecting each others mediocrity.... & as members we are powerless to do anything about it.

 

[MRB37]

Is it telling that two coaches who decided to implement gameplans that see them move the ball sideways and backwards so much in Don Pyke and John Longmuire have teams that are totally struggling this year? It's like Sando's 2013 again where he totally misread where the game was heading and we've developed the entirely wrong style for how the game is being played.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Is it telling that two coaches who decided to implement gameplans that see them move the ball sideways and backwards so much in Don Pyke and John Longmuire have teams that are totally struggling this year? It's like Sando's 2013 again where he totally misread where the game was heading and we've developed the entirely wrong style for how the game is being played.

I get that feeling too. It looks and feels like the coaches made a game plan around what they thought the rule changes would do, and then it didn't happen.

 

[Rotayjay]

To what extent can we starve these frauds by making a boycott of membership? How many members could we plausibly convince to participate in a membership boycott? Or is the 'So Proud/Always Next Year' brigade simply too large?

 

[Cap]

To what extent can we starve these frauds by making a boycott of membership? How many members could we plausibly convince to participate in a membership boycott? Or is the 'So Proud/Always Next Year' brigade simply too large?

Whats the point, we won't achieve anything. Let's just enjoy the footy....hopefully soon.

The best thing we can do it wait until the AFL get their fingers out of the AFC in a few years.

We just need a unified and coherent supporter group to push the need for member input.

That's going to be the challenge.

 

[GreyCrow]

Whats the point, we won't achieve anything. Let's just enjoy the footy....hopefully soon.

The best thing we can do it wait until the AFL get their fingers out of the AFC in a few years.

We just need a unified and coherent supporter group to push the need for member input.

That's going to be the challenge.

Neither of these will happen

 

[Rave Slave]

Massive shit bloke but even he knows where it’s at.

 

[Cap]

Massive shit bloke but even he knows where it’s at.

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He is actually so good at trolling its impressive.

Reckon Grant Thomas is better

 

[Sanders]

I'm so glad we keep buying other teams in unrelated sports. We're so good at AFL we can afford to lose focus on our core business.

I’ve been saying this from the start. The cost in management time and focus is more than cash a lot of the time

 

[Sanders]

Fagan is the man, he's employed by the board to win flags.

Is he?

That’s the coach I’d have thought

 

[Sanders]

I don't think Fagan is a AFL person, his roll needs splitting and someone with footy nouse hired under him.

Huh?

That’s exactly what Burton is there to do.

 

[jackster83]

I’ve been saying this from the start. The cost in management time and focus is more than cash a lot of the time

We're paying our COO just to run around on the e-sports circuit. He seems to be really enjoying himself so that's something I guess.

 

[mattymac]

We're paying our COO just to run around on the e-sports circuit. He seems to be really enjoying himself so that's something I guess.

Yeah I thought that whole caper was mainly to keep Smart busy and out of sight

 

[Jcpdragonx]

I'm pretty much rooting for GC with the best interests of the AFC at heart in the long term. Every time we've ended up in this position we never had a full clean out, Trigg out was the closest we got. Hardly lasted at Carltank for a reason.

 

[1970crow]

To what extent can we starve these frauds by making a boycott of membership? How many members could we plausibly convince to participate in a membership boycott? Or is the 'So Proud/Always Next Year' brigade simply too large?

Too large. I’m cancelling our gold memberships and will try and change our club supported to Port for our AO memberships but I don’t expect that will make a difference. I’ll probably be the only AO member to do that and any other membership cancellations will be replaced by the wait list I presume. I won’t be cancelling our women’s memberships though.