News Impact of COVID-19 on season 2020 and beyond

[Snuffaluphagus]

27/3 24

Cant help but get a little excited at the current trend

 

[Demons09]

Does anyone really think we’re getting footy back this year , personally I think there’s zero chance.

 

[oldgoat]

Yeah we aren't getting the peak of this for many weeks yet. Despite the opinion of the flat earthers that want to smash the economy even further, the current measures are working to prolong the onset of the peak. Months of economic pain ahead to save the lives of mostly multimorbid 75+ year old men.

me and half the forum...young fella?

 

[Square Peg]

me and half the forum...young fella?

Nah I'm not 75 but I'm not young. Smacked a few boundaries on the way to a rapid fire fifty but now am like Chris Tavare on a bad day and trying to advance slowly by singles

 

[salim malik]

Lockdown from Monday or Tuesday.

 

[Okinakashi]

Lockdown from Monday or Tuesday.

I think we should get away from the term lockdown.

Even if we get to the most extreme measures, we'll be able to get groceries, medicine etc. We'll most likely be able to go for a walk (by ourselves) and truly essential workers will be going to work.

The whole lockdown terminology implies that we're in complete confinement and is fueling this ridiculous panic buying.


*Except those who are dictated to self isolate by Govt etc.

 

[Monument Hills]

the testing is the biggest issue at the moment. We supposedely have 255 cases in WA (66 of which are cruise-related here and over east). For all intents and purposes we are now, sans flights, like an isolated country thanks to the Nullabor. 200 or so cases could actually be 5000+ going on the expert estimations that there are approx. 25-30 cases for every case actually tested for. Not a huge amount for a spread out population of 2mill+. BUT, only if you know who they are. If they are typhoid Mary's and Matthew's running amok through Coles and Woolies or down at the playgrounds, then that number will increase regardless of what the rest of us are trying to do. Soon as those IgG/IgM blood tests come in, we need to hit them hard and work out who really has it and lock them down until they get over it. Then those of us who have had cv19 and got over it and can no longer infect can get on with our work and keep this state from going under.

 

[Taylor]

WA also has the benefit of having a very locked in population. I'm not sure of the exact phrase to describe it but people who are born here usually stay here.

So there isn't as much flying around to see family

 

[Purple_Turtle]

I think for me it's the idea that we have different ideas of the 'cost' involved.

The costs I see are also related to the trauma involved in the decisions made. Exposure to trauma is something that has a real impact on peoples mental health, quality of life and also has a very real financial impact. Trauma can also be very much inter-generational as seen in Vietnam veterans families and in the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community for starters.

So the path we walk is to find a balance in the situation. What kind of world will we have when we get to the other side of this?

If we make decisions where the health system is under more stress, more older and vulnerable people die and more severe ethical and moral situations eventuate (deciding who gets a ventilator, staff at aged care facilities just walking out and leaving people to die, sheer impact of death of a loved one, living for a few days with the body of a loved one because no one will come remove the body) there are real trauma-related costs to this. People will wear this stuff for the rest of their lives and for those that are left will have real consequences. This includes real financial consequences ongoing as well.

Likewise the shutdown measures are shattering peoples lives. Financial stress, loss of job & identity, relationship issues, domestic violence, suicides. The list goes on and on. These will also have trauma-related consequences. Children growing up in these households will carry the trauma on to their kids. The effects of this will be felt for generations. The financial consequences are clear of course as well.

It's a contradiction and an impossibility but we need to minimise the loss of human life, the economic/real world consequences and the associated (large-scale World War-level) trauma all at the same time.

To me it looks like ScoMo is trying to walk a fine line here. I dislike the guy immensely but it s a tough job and in doing this (I think Square Peg you said this before) he's making no one happy with his actions.

I've go no idea if we are on the right track. I am doing ok so I might say, save more lives!! People who have lost their job and are in the depths of it might think save my life!!

Man, just a tough situation with no clear answers.

Also of note with ScoMo is that the Federal Government will cop the flack from any economic disaster or mass loss of life, not McGowan or any other premier. I know who I'd rather be in this situation.

 

[FreoRicci]

WA also has the benefit of having a very locked in population. I'm not sure of the exact phrase to describe it but people who are born here usually stay here.

So there isn't as much flying around to see family

WA can be quite as ignorant and arrogant. Don’t think West Australians are doing as good as a job with the social distancing. Hence why a lockdown is imminent and required. But Australians dislike authority, yet want them to be bailed out at the same time. Double edge sword

 

[holybishop]

Don’t think West Australians are doing as good as a job with the social distancing.

WA currently has the second lowest confirmed cases out of all the states so I think we're doing pretty well

 

[samFFC]

WA currently has the second lowest confirmed cases out of all the states so I think we're doing pretty well

We're basically tracking our percentage of the population (~10%).

 

[Inveigh Slang]

WA currently has the second lowest confirmed cases out of all the states so I think we're doing pretty well

Population of WA compared to Vic and NSW

It does help that our towns are long distances apart but the Perth area is not fairing so great. Testing hasn't been wide spread so we don't know the true amount.

 

[UYD 4 Life]

Latest stats I've seen have WA as 10.3% of the population and 7.3% of the confirmed cases. NSW the only majorly over-represented state with 31.9% of the pop. and 46.1% of the confirmed cases

 

[mightymouse75]

There should be a trade and travel ban on China until they close all their wet markets.

Do you really think there will be wet markets in china in the forseeable future. Their economy has been butchered & the government has lost face to their people & the international community like never before..
Wet markets in Thailand, Laos, indonesia etc are still going strong as we speak..these will be the incubator for the next SARS, covid, Ebola or aids..
Once we get on top of this virus nothing should stop the worlds authorities from closing these down.
Looks like mother nature got 1 back on us hey

 

[Darcy 2 Fyfe]

I think WA is in the enviable position of already bring quite isolated and not a tourist destination like Sydney or Gold Coast. We have a population of 2.6m people and 2 deaths. Suicide due to depression, insolvency, destitution will take more lives in WA than the virus over the coming months.

For me I think we should go back to work from May 1st but keep all interstate and overseas travel bans in place until the rest of the world get sorted.

 

[Stuart88]

I think WA is in the enviable position of already bring quite isolated and not a tourist destination like Sydney or Gold Coast. We have a population of 2.6m people and 2 deaths. Suicide due to depression, insolvency, destitution will take more lives in WA than the virus over the coming months.

For me I think we should go back to work from May 1st but keep all interstate and overseas travel bans in place until the rest of the world get sorted.

I ain't going back to work until the daily new cases are almost at zero. I have a pregnant wife and there is no way I'm risking bringing this horrible disease home and passing it onto her or my 18m old daughter. People die of stuff every day but I'm not likely to pass any of those causes onto someone. If we just locked the place down and let this disease die out we could probably end social isolation in this state within 3 or 4 weeks. Our Governments however keep spinning bullshit to try and drag this out for ages, incrementally closing things down while the disease spreads. Scomo saying we would have to close the schools for 6 months makes no logical sense. He's handled this situation woefully. Why won't anyone start seeing payments for another month too!?

 

[sumavich]

23 new cases today, but 9/10 from cruise ship catania. So only 13 west aussies today

 

[serial_thrilla]

23 new cases today, but 9/10 from cruise ship catania. So only 13 west aussies today

The media really is a laughing stock...

 

[Inveigh Slang]

I think WA is in the enviable position of already bring quite isolated and not a tourist destination like Sydney or Gold Coast. We have a population of 2.6m people and 2 deaths. Suicide due to depression, insolvency, destitution will take more lives in WA than the virus over the coming months.

For me I think we should go back to work from May 1st but keep all interstate and overseas travel bans in place until the rest of the world get sorted.

How can you set a safe time to go back to work when we don't know what the future holds. We have no idea of the actual problem because confirmed cases are only a portion and we can't afford to get complacent.

 

[mightymouse75]

Really interesting in how Taiwan have handled it. Several flights a week direct to Wuhan when it all went down. They were the first to shut down to that region. They have a good public health system like us. Transparent with their information (unlike China) Blanketing the population with health information. A population that is honest with their authorities & respectful of laws & guidelines. People that take responsibility for not only their own health but others. *WASHing their Hands/staying home if sick etc*

77 known cases without shutting down shops schools or manufactoring. Only the airlines & tourism have copped it.

How can you set a safe time to go back to work when we don't know what the future holds. We have no idea of the actual problem because confirmed cases are only a portion and we can't afford to get complacent.

 

[mightymouse75]

Back to work would be good. Self iso when you live by yourself sucks balls

 

[FreoRicci]

How can you set a safe time to go back to work when we don't know what the future holds. We have no idea of the actual problem because confirmed cases are only a portion and we can't afford to get complacent.

It’s really not until vaccination, will we ever know.
This is the ‘first wave’. The flattening of the curve, everyone going indoors and waiting for it to die out. That’s why health authorities want shutdown ASAP and control the spread. Allow health workers to stem it quickly as possible.
Then countries will slowly open and someone will get infected- second wave potentially occurs. That’s pandemics. Spanish Flu went through these stages, however this is 100 years on. Technological growth, human immune systems have increased, wellbeing of humans improved.
The desired outcome is the virus- ideally with 100% of all humans- dies down and two months passed without an infection occurring, in the first wave. That’s theoretically possible, but in reality impossible. You can’t control what one outlying person does that could create the spread, again. People will be restless, those in power- TRUMP- will open up and order people to go to work, socialise too soon and will create another problem.

 

[Cayman Docker]

I ain't going back to work until the daily new cases are almost at zero. I have a pregnant wife and there is no way I'm risking bringing this horrible disease home and passing it onto her or my 18m old daughter. People die of stuff every day but I'm not likely to pass any of those causes onto someone. If we just locked the place down and let this disease die out we could probably end social isolation in this state within 3 or 4 weeks. Our Governments however keep spinning bullshit to try and drag this out for ages, incrementally closing things down while the disease spreads. Scomo saying we would have to close the schools for 6 months makes no logical sense. He's handled this situation woefully. Why won't anyone start seeing payments for another month too!?

We are almost a week into a lockdown here. All businesses closed and only essential services can be out during the curfew.

School’s been shut for weeks.

No flights no Cruise ships, our little Island is shut-off from the world.

The last 3 of those days a full lockdown. I could pee the dog outside and that’s it.

And we have had only a small amount of cases, 9 infected and 1 death, but we are a small place so it’s all relative.

What caused the full lockdown was a shock to everyone here, and speaks to your pregnant wife. A young to-be mum, was having complications with her pregnancy, and they wanted to Medivac (fly) her up to the US for treatment which required a Covid-19 test before they’d let her in. To everyone’s shock she tested positive. We don’t know how the baby (which has since been born) is fairing, but our prayers are with them both.

We hear Mum is doing ok.

She had no prior travel history, and more worryingly, showed NO symptoms whatsoever. Our first case of assumed community transmission.

The Govt here in Cayman are approaching this as you would suggest the WA Govt should do.

The hope is that we can let whatever might be here burn itself out with-in those infected. It’s no guarantee but I really feel it’s our best shot. Already the hotline for reported ilness is dropping. A long way to go but hats off for just shutting the country down.

We are only an hours flight south of the US, and the way this is going up there scares the crap out of us, in the sense that at what point does the Govt here relax the restrictions and let the world back in?

A tough call.

The best thing WA has going is space, it’s own isolation from the rest of the country, that’s a huge positive.

Stick to your guns and trust your gut. Isolate Isolate Isolate. It’s the only defence we’ve got.

Stay Safe!

 

[malpaso]

Really interesting in how Taiwan have handled it. Several flights a week direct to Wuhan when it all went down. They were the first to shut down to that region. They have a good public health system like us. Transparent with their information (unlike China) Blanketing the population with health information. A population that is honest with their authorities & respectful of laws & guidelines. People that take responsibility for not only their own health but others. *WASHing their Hands/staying home if sick etc*

77 known cases without shutting down shops schools or manufactoring. Only the airlines & tourism have copped it.

Australia could do the same thing however our society is full of ignorant, self-entitled people who feel their 'rights' are being impeded upon.