Is North Melbourne passing on Logan McDonald going to be the 2021 version of the Bulldogs passing on Buddy for Ryan Griffin

[tonygeeks]

I see this thread was bumped after one good game by McDonald now the trolls are out bagging us for recruiting Phillips.
What has MacDonald done before Fridays game? That’s right duck all. While Phillips has been battling injury and health problems. It’s just unfair and stupid to be having this discussion so early on.

Would you make the same pick now ?


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[Bojan KantKick]

Would you make the same pick now ?


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We wouldn't have picked Mcdonald anyway.

 

[MickG88]

We wouldn't have picked Mcdonald anyway.

If I were North, I would of drafted Denver Grainger-Barras. a backline of DGB and Ben McKay would be imposing.

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[Ed_Gein]

McDonald's game vs Carlton at the weekend seems to have been the final straw for the North recruiting staff that just quit. They saw what happened, and they know what's coming in the years ahead.

 

[tenderwarrior]

McDonald's game vs Carlton at the weekend seems to have been the final straw for the North recruiting staff that just quit. They saw what happened, and they know what's coming in the years ahead.

That was the 2nd last straw. The last straw was JHF flying back to Adelaide on the sneaky sneaky..

 

[00Stinger]

Seems like Paddy McCartin type situation, Good prospect that could of been anything derailed by illness. But Melbourne fans don't like that because they love giving it to Saints fans about taking McCartin over Petracca.
But it's funny because Petracca was pretty average until Yze, Williams and Burgess came to the club, reminded me of a Jordan De Goey type.

Lol McCartin was s**t before the concussion issues at St Kilda


As for Trac was going at around 20 & 1 for his first 4 years coming of a bad knee injury and playing as a HFF. When your top pick Billings was doing that you guys were frothing over him

Petracca went to a new level in the second half of 2019 (this was missed as we were s**t) and the continued it on with an AA guernsey in 2020 when Burgess arrived

Yze and Choco Williams came the following year, but Petracca is so good he can see into the future and turned into a star in the anticipation of them arriving.

 

[00Stinger]

Dealt with testicular cancer aroudn the same time his father died which lead to long battle with depression, suffered continual soft tissues since.

Nah it's was the navicular break in his foot at the back end of 2018

Would have been in AA contention until that one. That foot break *s a lot of players long term

 

[BloodySwan]

Logan's last 2 weeks have been great. He had a lot of almost moments against the Bombers but couldn't make the marks stick. His performance against the Blues is easily his best but any Swans fan will tell you, Logan has already made a big step up from last year. Should be a great CHF if he keeps this up

Too early to write off Phillips at this stage but it was always an odd choice. Plenty of draft reports had McDonald as the best player in the draft with JUH and Thilthorpe the other two getting mentions as the best of the lot. No Swans fan though McDonald would slide to our pick, but we're all very glad he did

 

[Makeshift Park]

I’d be nervous if I was north’s recruiting staff

Have you bought a raffle ticket in the past couple days?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Have you bought a raffle ticket in the past couple days?

Powerball tomorrow night

 

[Noidnadroj]

Could have coinflipped on DGB or McDonald and both would have set their rebuild up nicely. Instead they've picked a smallish inside midfielder amongst a glut of other young inside midfielders.

Yeah, that’s the really weird part. Then on the back of 181cm Phillips they chose 184cm Powell and 179cm Lazarro in the same draft. And they already had Anderson (179cm), Cunnington (185cm) and Simpkin (182cm) in their midfield mix.




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[Noidnadroj]

You said ‘looked like a star’, so I’m pointing out forwards that showed those qualities early in their career. That isn’t the same as ‘who was elite after 30 games’.

I agree with this … whether a KPF or midfielder, the players who end up being stars always show some special things in their first handful of games - might be 3-goals in a quarter, a handful of contested marks, a couple of speccies etc…. They might take a while to establish their career, but when you see something special early they almost always come through as top-liners.

I think it’s very rare that a top-liner starts slowly with just ‘vanilla’ football and then starts showing special qualities in their 3rd season etc….

I don’t recall McCartin showing too many special
things in his early games. In his first 35-games as a key forward he only kicked more than 2-goals once … and that was when he kicked 3 goals.

Jack Riewoldt kicked 3 goals in his 3rd and 10th games, then 5 goals in game 19.

Hawkins kicked 3 goals on debut, 4 goals in game 2 and 4 goals in game 5.

Buddy kicked 3 goals in his second game and 6 in game 24.

McKay kicked 4 goals in his 3rd game, 3 in his 12th and 3 in his 15th.

Ben King kicked 4 goals in his 10th game, then 3 goals in games 11 and 14.

Max King kicked 3 goals in games 9 and 12, then 5 goals in game 19.

Tom Lynch kicked 3 goals in games 6 and 7.

Logan McDonald kicked 3 goals on debut, 7 goals in his first 3 games and another 3 goals in game 14.

You get the drift. Gun forwards show something special on a handful of occasions very early in their careers even if they might spend some time out of the team.

McCartin never really showed much other than brief cameos. Schache never showed much at any stage early on. Neither did Boyd. That’s why I’d be concerned with Ugle-Hagan…if he racks up
many more games without a couple more 3+ goal returns, then history tells you he’s not going to be the star forward everyone anticipated.


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[KissKiss]

McCartin never really showed much other than brief cameos. Schache never showed much at any stage early on. Neither did Boyd. That’s why I’d be concerned with Ugle-Hagan…if he racks up
many more games without a couple more 3+ goal returns, then history tells you he’s not going to be the star forward everyone anticipated.

Actually even with Schache he was showing signs in his first year. He just dropped off in his second and beyond once he confidence went and other issues kicked in.

His 9th game he had 8 marks, 14 disposals and kicked 2.2, his 12th game he took 9 marks 15 disposals kicked 2.3. Had a run of kicking 11 goals 9 in 7 games in the back end of the year.

 

[Outtatym]

6 more touches than Will this week (who didn't train at all)

What a blunder.

 

[DEVO]

Did McDonald play last night? I don't remember hearing his named called at all.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Did McDonald play night? I don't remember hearing his named called at all.

Was huge late in the game couple of massive contested marks which set up goals.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

Was huge late in the game couple of massive contested marks which set up goals.

One score involvement for the game, which was in a handball chain in the last when Rioli slipped over and Papley recovered the ball.

Two marks for the game, one uncontested in the second quarter, one contested in the last.

He’s going to be a great player but no need to make things up.

 

[awesome wells]

Funny how this thread is quiet when Logan plays s**t

 

[Daka]

I'm not convinced Logan McDonald is anything special.

 

[david_sunfort]

Phillips over McDonald isn't even close to a blunder yet. Come back in 2-3 years and see where things stand.

The real blunder committed by North Melbourne was refusing Adelaide's offer for pick 1 last year. Pick 4 and two future first rounders, and North Melbourne chose Horne-Francis, who is putting off contract talks and flying to South Australia without North Melbourne's permission.

This is already very quickly shaping up as a disaster on the magnitude of Fremantle's McPharlin/Croad trade of 2001. Recruiters are getting way too easily sucked into this generational talent hype. Horne-Francis is just one good young player, he is not AFL Jesus destined to become the greatest of all time. Three first round picks is the kind of offer you'd expect for Chris Judd or Dustin Martin at their peak, not for an 18 year old who has done nothing. You'd be lucky if he turned out even half as good as Dustin Martin.

 

[Farm Boy]

Phillips over McDonald isn't even close to a blunder yet. Come back in 2-3 years and see where things stand.

The real blunder committed by North Melbourne was refusing Adelaide's offer for pick 1 last year. Pick 4 and two future first rounders, and North Melbourne chose Horne-Francis, who is putting off contract talks and flying to South Australia without North Melbourne's permission.

This is already very quickly shaping up as a disaster on the magnitude of Fremantle's McPharlin/Croad trade of 2001. Recruiters are getting way too easily sucked into this generational talent hype. Horne-Francis is just one good young player, he is not AFL Jesus destined to become the greatest of all time. Three first round picks is the kind of offer you'd expect for Chris Judd or Dustin Martin at their peak, not for an 18 year old who has done nothing. You'd be lucky if he turned out even half as good as Dustin Martin.

The way JHF plays is exactly what North need. He plays the way the rest of the team need to. He doesn’t have to be a generational talent. He just has to stay at the club, and play good, hard football, that’s how he plays. North need that. He has presence. What other kid that age does? If he stays he’ll be worth it. If he doesn’t it’s a disaster that will be hard to bounce back from. But that’s the risk you weigh up.


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[david_sunfort]

The way JHF plays is exactly what North need. He plays the way the rest of the team need to. He doesn’t have to be a generational talent. He just has to stay at the club, and play good, hard football, that’s how he plays. North need that. He has presence. What other kid that age does? If he stays he’ll be worth it. If he doesn’t it’s a disaster that will be hard to bounce back from. But that’s the risk you weigh up.


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Reality check: HE'S NOT WORTH 3 FIRST ROUNDERS.

Just what they need? Give me a break, lmfao. They need literally every type of player right now.

The only players worth three first round picks are your Judds and Ablett Juniors. Horne-Francis alone is not even remotely close to being worth three first rounders, but mugs like you buy into all the hype.

 

[footyfan1978]

What a stupid thread.
Will Phillips has glandular fever so anyone trying to make claims in whom is better player two seconds into their careers is a complete muppet or claim this pick or that is screwed already less than 18 months after the pick are clueless.
Just for the peanut gallery and some context. Patrick Cripps

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Patrick Cripps

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29

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195cm

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93kg

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25.9

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9.8

4star

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16.1

5star

M

3.4

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5.8

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7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

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10.1

4star

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10.9

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2.5

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3.8

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6.3

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12.6

4star

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4.8

2star

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7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

which same muppets probably knew nothing about 18 months into his career after drafted had a massive 3 matches to his career after a full two seasons at Carlton. Yet some idiots claim Will Phillips with glandular fever should be claimed as failed pick in less time of his career.

Brent Harvey

Brent Harvey

Age

45

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167cm

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75kg

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Fwd

Career

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21.3

5star

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13.2

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8.2

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M

3.9

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2.1

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1.2

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on Will Phillips current situation.
“Have we had a little bit of unlucky stuff happen? Yes we have, because Will Phillips hasn’t even been at training this week. He’s still feeling the effects of glandular fever.....young Will can’t do nothing about it, he can’t train at the minute because he’s crook. There are hiccups that happen at football clubs.

 

[Kangas_11]

Reality check: HE'S NOT WORTH 3 FIRST ROUNDERS.

Just what they need? Give me a break, lmfao. They need literally every type of player right now.

The only players worth three first round picks are your Judds and Ablett Juniors. Horne-Francis alone is not even remotely close to being worth three first rounders, but mugs like you buy into all the hype.

Honestly, you can call other posters mugs all you want, but 3 first rounders wasn't the deal. At least get your head around that before going at other posters.

It was pick #1 and a 2022 2nd (likely pick 19) for what ended up being pick #6 and a 2022 1st (roughly #5 or #6) + Melbourne's 1st (likely #18).

When there's a clear standout in the draft, you don't take that deal. Future 1sts are always worth far less due to uncertainty, just look at the mess that was the Pies-GWS trade.

It was the right choice then and is still the right choice now.

 

[david_sunfort]

Honestly, you can call other posters mugs all you want, but 3 first rounders wasn't the deal. At least get your head around that before going at other posters.

It was pick #1 and a 2022 2nd (likely pick 19) for what ended up being pick #6 and a 2022 1st (roughly #5 or #6) + Melbourne's 1st (likely #18).

When there's a clear standout in the draft, you don't take that deal. Future 1sts are always worth far less due to uncertainty, just look at the mess that was the Pies-GWS trade.

It was the right choice then and is still the right choice now.

Wrong. Twomey confirmed Adelaide only asked for a third rounder back.

What? Uncertainty? If you want to talk about uncertainty, your club has just used pick 1 on a guy who refuses to commit long-term, and has just flown to South Australia without the club's permission in a time where things are very grim.

"Futures are worth far less due to uncertainty" you say? Because it backfired on Collingwood? How about looking at that trade from GWS's perspective. They transformed picks 24 and 30 into pick 3! If anything, that future pick proved to be worth far more, rather than "far less".

It doesn't matter if Horne-Francis was a "standout talent". He's not Chris Judd or Dustin Martin, and he'd be lucky to be even half as good as those guys. Knocking back Adelaide's offer was stupid.