Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[dudusmaximus]

Yeah let's take a look at those "perennial" bottom of the ladder sides shall we.
...

My theory is that the season is so long & arduous, we are sucked into the "one week at a time" time warp. Each week feels like a long time (footy-wise).

I always thought the Crows were a basket case for ages. That is, until I was reminded (during their straight sets exit) that they featured in the 2017 GF.

 

[OzeSparky]

Port Campbell or Timboon looking like the clubs best placed to secure his services.

No Team in Port Campbell. So Timboon it is

 

[OzeSparky]

Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

or Worpel?

I would take Jack.

 

[Larry Donohue]

Simpkin for Colbert

 

[Lingsface]

Merrett? Be nice to take him off the Hawks the day after we beat them.

 

[standupand]

Merrett? Be nice to take him off the Hawks the day after we beat them.

Yeah nah. They can have him.

 

[dudusmaximus]

I actually don't mind him at all. What you see is what you get.

I can't stand him. Ignoring my bias against him, where does Sam Mitchell stand as a player, captain and coach (still early days) in History?

My blinkers-on view..

As a player, he was a honest-trier and got the best out of himself (good with both feet etc.). He probably kneed more in games than kneeled in Church. Nothing to write home about? There's those 307 games. Brownlow was Bradbury-esque. 4 Premierships (featuring many single-digit draftees). Having second thoughts..

As a captain, apart from the one Premiership (which was more credit to Clarko & Dew), he was an also-ran. Forgotten already?

As a Coach, he is as yet unproven. I don't like how he became coach (the knifing of Clarko etc.). He inherited a bottomed-out team that was going to come good. He did pick up Newcombe but then, the Hawks are not too bad at recruiting (Mitch Thorp aside). His daring recruiting raids were all exposed (my mom could've run a better stealth operation) and none too successful (Merrett still in play). If Sam doesn't win a Premiership by the end of this decade (breaking the famed "at least a Premiership every decade" Hawthorn boast), he would be an also-ran Coach.

Harsh? Should I remove my blinkers? Hit me (but softly; I bruise easy!).

 

[TomsBulgingDisc]

Jack Steele or Worpel?

I would take Jack.

I don't understand the wraps on Worpel. I've watched him fairly closely since there was mention of our interest in him. Quite honestly, I think he'd find the expected work rate at Geelong too challenging. He's not terrible, but if you're going to bring a player in, they need to be better than the ones you've already got. I don't see it.

 

[Lingsface]

I can't stand him. Ignoring my bias against him, where does Sam Mitchell stand as a player, captain and coach (still early days) in History?

My blinkers-on view..

As a player, he was a honest-trier and got the best out of himself (good with both feet etc.). He probably kneed more in games than kneeled in Church. Nothing to write home about? There's those 307 games. Brownlow was Bradbury-esque. 4 Premierships (featuring many single-digit draftees). Having second thoughts..

As a captain, apart from the one Premiership (which was more credit to Clarko & Dew), he was an also-ran. Forgotten already?

As a Coach, he is as yet unproven. I don't like how he became coach (the knifing of Clarko etc.). He inherited a bottomed-out team that was going to come good. He did pick up Newcombe but then, the Hawks are not too bad at recruiting (Mitch Thorp aside). His daring recruiting raids were all exposed (my mom could've run a better stealth operation) and none too successful (Merrett still in play). If Sam doesn't win a Premiership by the end of this decade (breaking the famed "at least a Premiership every decade" Hawthorn boast), he would be an also-ran Coach.

Harsh? Should I remove my blinkers? Hit me (but softly; I bruise easy!).

He has gone better as a coach so far compared to some other star players. He was a very good footballer and was assistant for the 2018 premiership as well.

 

[CoolCat75]

Flanders requesting to explore trade options. We assume St Kilda. Mmm they may need some draft picks for Alir, Ryan and Flanders and if I’m them, I wouldn’t be using too many 2026 picks.

Holla for a Marshall?

 

[4quarter_cat]

For those on the know. Is there any truth in the Curnow murmurings?

 

[dangerwood]

I can't stand him. Ignoring my bias against him, where does Sam Mitchell stand as a player, captain and coach (still early days) in History?

My blinkers-on view..

As a player, he was a honest-trier and got the best out of himself (good with both feet etc.). He probably kneed more in games than kneeled in Church. Nothing to write home about? There's those 307 games. Brownlow was Bradbury-esque. 4 Premierships (featuring many single-digit draftees). Having second thoughts..

As a captain, apart from the one Premiership (which was more credit to Clarko & Dew), he was an also-ran. Forgotten already?

As a Coach, he is as yet unproven. I don't like how he became coach (the knifing of Clarko etc.). He inherited a bottomed-out team that was going to come good. He did pick up Newcombe but then, the Hawks are not too bad at recruiting (Mitch Thorp aside). His daring recruiting raids were all exposed (my mom could've run a better stealth operation) and none too successful (Merrett still in play). If Sam doesn't win a Premiership by the end of this decade (breaking the famed "at least a Premiership every decade" Hawthorn boast), he would be an also-ran Coach.

Harsh? Should I remove my blinkers? Hit me (but softly; I bruise easy!).

I thought he was an absolute star as a player, possibly underrated. I couldn't tell you the specific games but I certainly remember sitting at the G a few times bemoaning his ability whilst he turned us inside out again.

Captain - well given the switched from him to Hodge and that seemed to turn their fortunes, I assume he wasn't a great captain.

Coach - I thought the Hawks were cooked. Performed well above expectations last year, I didn't think they'd back it up this year.

 

[DanA]

I can't stand him. Ignoring my bias against him, where does Sam Mitchell stand as a player, captain and coach (still early days) in History?

My blinkers-on view..

As a player, he was a honest-trier and got the best out of himself (good with both feet etc.). He probably kneed more in games than kneeled in Church. Nothing to write home about? There's those 307 games. Brownlow was Bradbury-esque. 4 Premierships (featuring many single-digit draftees). Having second thoughts..

As a captain, apart from the one Premiership (which was more credit to Clarko & Dew), he was an also-ran. Forgotten already?

As a Coach, he is as yet unproven. I don't like how he became coach (the knifing of Clarko etc.). He inherited a bottomed-out team that was going to come good. He did pick up Newcombe but then, the Hawks are not too bad at recruiting (Mitch Thorp aside). His daring recruiting raids were all exposed (my mom could've run a better stealth operation) and none too successful (Merrett still in play). If Sam doesn't win a Premiership by the end of this decade (breaking the famed "at least a Premiership every decade" Hawthorn boast), he would be an also-ran Coach.

Harsh? Should I remove my blinkers? Hit me (but softly; I bruise easy!).

I'd put him in the same tier as Bartel, maybe even slightly higher as a player, and consider him the most promising AFL coach. I thought he deserved his brownlow and was the model professional, whereas Hodge was a bit wild.

And I don't think he inherited a bottomed-out team ready to rise; he took a razor to the list his first year and has had plenty to do with the players development.

 

[Cataholic]

For those on the know. Is there any truth in the Curnow murmurings?

What are the murmurings?

 

[dazbroncos]

What are the murmurings?

pob that he wanted out of Carltank and would come to Geelong on way lower $$ than he's on now to get it done... but being contracted that moves us out of the conversation bc what the BLues want.

GO Catters

 

[CatToTheFuture]

You would think Geelong or the dogs are the logical options. But I reckon the dogs will be more likely to pay the 2mil he wants even though we have the cap space.

I cannot understand why they would put so much capital towards even more mids.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Would be good, but North will want to much as his contracted till 2029

The Classic... Salary Dump.
Rumoured to be on a $900k x 4 years contract.
They'll be giving him away.
Geez... they'll be throwing in steak knives i reckon... add spoons & forks to that.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The Classic... Salary Dump.
Rumoured to be on a $900k x 4 years contract.
They'll be giving him away.
Geez... they'll be throwing in steak knives i reckon... add spoons & forks to that.

I would have thought the opposite. North offers to pay 50% of his contract if you throw some good picks in for him type arrangement

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I would have thought the opposite. North offers to pay 50% of his contract if you throw some good picks in for him type arrangement

I am more of the Jack Bowes scenario.
A massive contract with no job for him.
Plenty of youngsters to sign up long term.

 

[FootyLad0]

Flanders requesting to explore trade options. We assume St Kilda. Mmm they may need some draft picks for Alir, Ryan and Flanders and if I’m them, I wouldn’t be using too many 2026 picks.

Holla for a Marshall?

If Flanders is in play for the Saints you can bet whatever they get for Marshall would be part of it.

They are talking tough because they don't want to lose any leeway they have being that Rowan is contracted.
I reckon just quietly they'd be happy to let him go for our first and change if it means bringing in Flanders, Ryan and Aleer.

With Geelong, players are always told to wait till our season finishes before requesting a trade to us as to not provide a distraction.

 

[D BRIDGE]

If Flanders is in play for the Saints you can bet whatever they get for Marshall would be part of it.

They are talking tough because they don't want to lose any leeway they have being that Rowan is contracted.
I reckon just quietly they'd be happy to let him go for our first and change if it means bringing in Flanders, Ryan and Aleer.

With Geelong, players are always told to wait till our season finishes before requesting a trade to us as to not provide a distraction.

Been my stance all the way along.

Roma to us just makes perfect sense for all parties.

 

[cats_09]

I am more of the Jack Bowes scenario.
A massive contract with no job for him.
Plenty of youngsters to sign up long term.

Don't forget that when Higgins made the move down the highway that North was still paying a good portion of his contract as that helped them with the salary floor payment requirements

North don't have a first round pick this year & doubtful they'd be stupid enough to trade out of the first round 2 drafts in a row - they could will appreciate a first round pick this year, even one in the mid teens if helps with flexibility for future trades

With teams having to pay a minimum 95% of the salary each season, it may be helpful to them to keep some of that money on their books at least for a small period while they don't necessarily have too many big contracts on their list

The salary cap this year is $17.7 million with the salary floor approx $16.8 million. Next years cap is $18.293 million, with a floor of approx $17.37 million

Looking at the increase in the salary & floor, North paying say $500k of Simpkin's salary next year would be covered totally within that floor increase, and still more of a gap to fill to meet the floor

 

[standupand]

Don't forget that when Higgins made the move down the highway that North was still paying a good portion of his contract as that helped them with the salary floor payment requirements

North don't have a first round pick this year & doubtful they'd be stupid enough to trade out of the first round 2 drafts in a row - they could will appreciate a first round pick this year, even one in the mid teens if helps with flexibility for future trades

With teams having to pay a minimum 95% of the salary each season, it may be helpful to them to keep some of that money on their books at least for a small period while they don't necessarily have too many big contracts on their list

The salary cap this year is $17.7 million with the salary floor approx $16.8 million. Next years cap is $18.293 million, with a floor of approx $17.37 million

Looking at the increase in the salary & floor, North paying say $500k of Simpkin's salary next year would be covered totally within that floor increase, and still more of a gap to fill to meet the floor

Wow I never realised how close together the cap and floor were! With the increase next year, the coming floor is nearly as much as the cap from the previous year. So no wonder we're seeing such inflationary effects in player salary and established players over picks. If u don't bring in new valuable talent you're forced to just pay more for what you already have.

 

[D BRIDGE]

So if we don't at least have a sniff at Trac or Merrett after the season finishes up... does that give anyone the vibe that we are somewhat confident on a Butters or another target mid (not named Worpel) in the next year or so?

Hawks in the window and looking to strengthen asap.

Sure Worp/Marshall will add to us... but I'm really hoping Butters to us happens.

 

[michelzing]

Don't forget that when Higgins made the move down the highway that North was still paying a good portion of his contract as that helped them with the salary floor payment requirements

North don't have a first round pick this year & doubtful they'd be stupid enough to trade out of the first round 2 drafts in a row - they could will appreciate a first round pick this year, even one in the mid teens if helps with flexibility for future trades

With teams having to pay a minimum 95% of the salary each season, it may be helpful to them to keep some of that money on their books at least for a small period while they don't necessarily have too many big contracts on their list

The salary cap this year is $17.7 million with the salary floor approx $16.8 million. Next years cap is $18.293 million, with a floor of approx $17.37 million

Looking at the increase in the salary & floor, North paying say $500k of Simpkin's salary next year would be covered totally within that floor increase, and still more of a gap to fill to meet the floor

The salary cap confuses me somewhat - not in how much it is - but how much you can bank for future years
ie - if a team pays $16.8M this year ($900K less than the cap), does thay mean they can bank the shortfall for next year?
Assuming they can do this - how many years can you underpay and then bank moving forward - and what is the maximum you could pay in a year (assuming you couldn't bank $900K for 4 years and then pay it all out in the 5th year - effectively giving you an additional $3.6M in salary cap for 1 year)
Hope this is not too confusing - is their a link on this?