Have Richmond passed North and west coast

[the big lebowski]

About halfway thru his second season Sheezel got moved from the back flank to the midfield playing forward at times too. Similar role to Reid. From that point he averaged over 29 disposals per game (more than Reid has ever amassed in his career) over 12 contested possessions and over a goal a game.

In the same period during his career Reid averaged about 10 possessions a game less, about 2 contested possesions a game less and kicked 10 goals to Sheezel's 13.

That's basically the only time that you can compare what they did at the same time in their career's playing a similar position. Sheezel has a few more goals and a couple of contested possessions a game more but it isn't a huge difference. They both averaged 10+ contested possessions per game and around a goal a game.

Sheezel get's alot more of the ball tho, cos, like Daicos (who I'm not really a fan of despite his obvious talent,) he has a high level of endurance and a huge workrate. He puts himself into position to get the ball alot. Players can only do that cos they work hard and understand how to put themselves in the right position.

That's why he played a game where he had 54 possessions and kicked two goals. The most productive game in history and he was still only 20 years old.

One other player has had 54 touches in a game and plenty have kicked two goals. No one has done both in the same game. (Sheezel also had one more disposal in that game that wasn't counted cos the ball was brought back to another player who had a free kick or mark.)

As good as he is its insane the way some people underrate him.

Another way to compare them is when they played on each other for the last qrt in Bunbury round 14 2025.

Reid kept trying to whack Harry behind play. Harry just got the ball around 12 times and won us the game.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

About halfway thru his second season Sheezel got moved from the back flank to the midfield playing forward at times too. Similar role to Reid. From that point he averaged over 29 disposals per game (more than Reid has ever amassed in his career) over 12 contested possessions and over a goal a game.

In the same period during his career Reid averaged about 10 possessions a game less, about 2 contested possesions a game less and kicked 10 goals to Sheezel's 13.

That's basically the only time that you can compare what they did at the same time in their career's playing a similar position. Sheezel has a few more goals and a couple of contested possessions a game more but it isn't a huge difference. They both averaged 10+ contested possessions per game and around a goal a game.

Sheezel get's alot more of the ball tho, cos, like Daicos (who I'm not really a fan of despite his obvious talent,) he has a high level of endurance and a huge workrate. He puts himself into position to get the ball alot. Players can only do that cos they work hard and understand how to put themselves in the right position.

That's why he played a game where he had 54 possessions and kicked two goals. The most productive game in history and he was still only 20 years old.

One other player has had 54 touches in a game and plenty have kicked two goals. No one has done both in the same game. (Sheezel also had one more disposal in that game that wasn't counted cos the ball was brought back to another player who had a free kick or mark.)

As good as he is its insane the way some people underrate him.

That's all good if you discount the fact that West Coast (2025) were averaging ~40 touches less a game than North (2024), and Harley Reid was the Eagles no. 1 midfielder who was copping a tag every game, compared to Sheezel who had midfield support, noting that North (2024) had five players average 4 or more clearances (Sheezel (3.52 wasn't one) whereas Eagles (2025) had none, with Harley leading at 3.89. It's almost like you can't compare them.

Both are very good players, and both will be multiple time All Australian midfielders in the future, but they are very different players. One is an an inside bull (Reid) and the other is a balanced mid (Sheezel). They would actually be an ideal compliment to each other if they played in the same team.

As a result, i'm prepared to trade with you and take Sheezel off your hands. Can i interest you in Matt Flynn?

 

[ferball]

That's all good if you discount the fact that West Coast (2025) were averaging ~40 touches less a game than North (2024), and Harley Reid was the Eagles no. 1 midfielder who was copping a tag every game, compared to Sheezel who had midfield support, noting that North (2024) had five players average 4 or more clearances (Sheezel (3.52 wasn't one) whereas Eagles (2025) had none, with Harley leading at 3.89. It's almost like you can't compare them.

Both are very good players, and both will be multiple time All Australian midfielders in the future, but they are very different players. One is an an inside bull (Reid) and the other is a balanced mid (Sheezel). They would actually be an ideal compliment to each other if they played in the same team.

As a result, i'm prepared to trade with you and take Sheezel off your hands. Can i interest you in Matt Flynn?

Sorry mate, Glenn Luff and Cameron Joyce are long gone.

 

[flyinghi64]

This thread is a very amusing out of season read.
Would be worth a revisit in about 3 years time to see how these much discussed players have fared in comparison to some posters current opinions.

 

[the big lebowski]

This thread is a very amusing out of season read.
Would be worth a revisit in about 3 years time to see how these much discussed players have fared in comparison to some posters current opinions.

The discussion has primarily focused on what they’ve done to date hasn’t it?

 

[Chip Scab1]

The discussion has primarily focused on what they’ve done to date hasn’t it?

Mostly lol

Some people (me) have used technical and fundamental analysis to work shit out, without a hint of bias. I've tried to deal in facts, tried hard.

 

[the big lebowski]

Mostly lol

Some people (me) have used technical and fundamental analysis to work shit out, without a hint of bias. I've tried to deal in facts, tried hard.

Have you though?

You said duursma was better than Reid

 

[Chip Scab1]

Have you though?

You said duursma was better than Reid

Yes, I thought this thread was about future prospects (well it was before the pleb-shit fight).

Reid has obviously been better than Duursma to date, that isn't up for debate. Will that be the case at the end of their careers, probably, but it's not guaranteed.

Reid would arguably be our best kid too, there's nothing wrong with that assessment. He could also end up our 6th (my point kinda).

 

[the big lebowski]

Yes, I thought this thread was about future prospects (well it was before the pleb-shit fight).

Reid has obviously been better than Duursma to date, that isn't up for debate. Will that be the case at the end of their careers, probably, but it's not guaranteed.

Reid would arguably be our best kid too, there's nothing wrong with that assessment. He could also end up our 6th (my point kinda).

Fair enough

It’s true that no one knows how these guys will progress

Duursma though, to my eye, doesn’t want it enough. And never did even in his draft year.

disregarding that due to his talent level was a massive mistake

 

[ShereKhan]

I think I agree with your definition of contending, but the timeframes are still off, IMO.

For example, you took 37 years with less teams to get it right. Now, I'm not saying it'll be 40+, because you are much better off field than at any moment prior to 2017.

I just think (having watched us try) it'll be longer than 5 years moving forward, for anyone. Notwithstanding you're more able to attract FAs/players wanting out etc (you'll do this better than us).

It's a bigger comp now, less levers to pull and I truly believe you're pushing shit up a hill to be contending for finals before 2033.

It's just an opinion.

As I have repeatedly said, I'm a fan of the Tiger. I don't wish you anything but success as long as it's not against my frauds.

Bahhaaha....not contending for finals before 2033....?? So basically a decade out of finals.

Here's a pretty easy way to show the naivety of that comment...... Teams to have not made finals from 2016-2025 (10 x years) = None

Yet you seriously think Richmond will not contend for finals from 2023-2032, having secured 8 x players from the strongest draft in recent memory in 2024, followed up by 2 more top-10 picks a year later.

 

[ShereKhan]

Yes, I thought this thread was about future prospects (well it was before the pleb-shit fight).

Reid has obviously been better than Duursma to date, that isn't up for debate. Will that be the case at the end of their careers, probably, but it's not guaranteed.

Reid would arguably be our best kid too, there's nothing wrong with that assessment. He could also end up our 6th (my point kinda).

In his debut season Harley Reid played a few games that were off the charts good. He also came into the draft as an absolute freak. He then had 'second year blues'. Came back unfit, got tagged most weeks due to no support, played in a team that won 1 x game and so on....

So I'm just not sure what logic anyone would place on Reid not establishing himself as a superstar player ? Was his entire underage career a mirage? Was his first season with games beyond comprehension for a first year player some sort of weird anomaly, and he's going to end up some B-grade midfielder?

Freakish young talents often hit a few hurdles early in their careers (Ponting or Shane Warne anyone?), but the dominant underage 'freaks' will always come through, as Harley Reid will.

He will be a different type of player to Sheezel, who keep in mind was also an elite junior. I'd be very very surprised if he's not better, which is not a slight on Sheezel. It will be in the same way Dustin Martin is better than Zac Merrett. Merrett is a star....but doesn't have the tools to be a game breaking superstar.

Comparing Reid to other North youngsters is just embarrassing when history tells you Reid will be a superstar of our game before too long (unless his underrage career and first season were some sort of weird fluke....)

 

[THE_GUN]

I think I agree with your definition of contending, but the timeframes are still off, IMO.

For example, you took 37 years with less teams to get it right. Now, I'm not saying it'll be 40+, because you are much better off field than at any moment prior to 2017.

I just think (having watched us try) it'll be longer than 5 years moving forward, for anyone. Notwithstanding you're more able to attract FAs/players wanting out etc (you'll do this better than us).

It's a bigger comp now, less levers to pull and I truly believe you're pushing shit up a hill to be contending for finals before 2033.

It's just an opinion.

As I have repeatedly said, I'm a fan of the Tiger. I don't wish you anything but success as long as it's not against my frauds.

If we consider our starting point as 2024 when our rebuild started and your expected finals contention is 10 years later than that is a failed rebuild in anybody's language.
5-6 years should be the time to contend for finals and it may take 10 years or longer to win a flag if you actually do win
which is no certainty with 19 - 20 clubs in the league
Some North supporters believe your rebuild started in 2020 but i personally think it was when your team got rid of the petrie and Boomer period around 2017 i think it was just of the top of my head.

So 9 years ago

 

[THE_GUN]

. Can i interest you in Matt Flynn?

Is he still on your list ?
He should have been delisted 2 years ago

 

[the big lebowski]

In his debut season Harley Reid played a few games that were off the charts good. He also came into the draft as an absolute freak. He then had 'second year blues'. Came back unfit, got tagged most weeks due to no support, played in a team that won 1 x game and so on....

So I'm just not sure what logic anyone would place on Reid not establishing himself as a superstar player ? Was his entire underage career a mirage? Was his first season with games beyond comprehension for a first year player some sort of weird anomaly, and he's going to end up some B-grade midfielder?

Freakish young talents often hit a few hurdles early in their careers (Ponting or Shane Warne anyone?), but the dominant underage 'freaks' will always come through, as Harley Reid will.

He will be a different type of player to Sheezel, who keep in mind was also an elite junior. I'd be very very surprised if he's not better, which is not a slight on Sheezel. It will be in the same way Dustin Martin is better than Zac Merrett. Merrett is a star....but doesn't have the tools to be a game breaking superstar.

Comparing Reid to other North youngsters is just embarrassing when history tells you Reid will be a superstar of our game before too long (unless his underrage career and first season were some sort of weird fluke....)

Reid might well become the best player in the history of the game

But hype doesn’t always equal greatness

He averaged sub 20 possessions and 2 goals per game in his Coates league draft year

And 19 disposals 1.3 goals in his state champs draft year

He’s currently a sub 20 possessions, under a goal a game afl player

He’s very promising but gee whiz he gets hyped up something ridiculous

 

[the big lebowski]

Shueygod

Writing something rather than just using a laugh emoji might be more helpful

Which part of Reid’s stats are humerus?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Freakish young talents often hit a few hurdles early in their careers (Ponting or Shane Warne anyone?), but the dominant underage 'freaks' will always come through, as Harley Reid will.

Ricky Ponting wasn't just hit by a hurdle early in his career - I think he was also hit by a transvestite

 

[Chip Scab1]

Shueygod

Writing something rather than just using a laugh emoji might be more helpful

Which part of Reid’s stats are humerus?

I like Reid, his best is potentially better than Sheezel's best. No doubt about that. He's a less skilful faster gun, I rate him extraordinarily highly.

But who else have they got apart Mr 18 & 1.3?? Imagine they had Goater, George, Goad, Dawson, Whitlock, Archer, Dovaston, Thredgold and Mikund waiting in the nest.

We wouldn't hear the end of it.

They're so far behind the Kangaroopoos, not in the same sphere.

 

[the big lebowski]

I like Reid, his best is potentially better than Sheezel's best. No doubt about that. He's a less skilful faster gun, I rate him extraordinarily highly.

But who else have they got apart Mr 18 & 1.3?? Imagine they had Goater, George, Goad, Dawson, Whitlock, Archer, Dovaston, Thredgold and Mikund waiting in the nest.

We wouldn't hear the end of it.

They're so far behind the Kangaroopoos, not in the same sphere.

Obviously he COULD be the best.

But people just lose their shit over him in a manner the clearly doesn’t meet his ACTUAL output. Someone compared him to dusty earlier, lumping their early careers in the same boat.

Dusty had more possessions, double the goals and triple the goal assists in their respective second years. They both basically got the same clearance numbers which were about average

Imagine, just for a second, Reid broke 4 records in his first 3 years, like sheezel had? Every word written by eagles fans and the wider football public of sheep would just write “Reid” for every word. Instead he gets it 18 times per game and kicks a goal just about better than every other week

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Shueygod

Writing something rather than just using a laugh emoji might be more helpful

Which part of Reid’s stats are humerus?

Like everyone the part of Reid that is humerus is in the upper arm.

 

[ReturningHawk]

It's a bigger comp now, less levers to pull and I truly believe you're pushing shit up a hill to be contending for finals before 2033.

It's just an opinion.

As I have repeatedly said, I'm a fan of the Tiger. I don't wish you anything but success as long as it's not against my frauds.

Tigers timeline is quite similar to Hawthorn’s post 3-peat, except their “master coach” didn’t outstay his welcome. Hardwick departing in 2023 was a blessing. They’ve also got draft value for trading premiership players which Hawthorn never did. I would say they are currently around 2022 on “Hawks rebuild time”, and could possibly be contending for the eight in 2 years time if things continue to go right for them.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Obviously he COULD be the best.

But people just lose their shit over him in a manner the clearly doesn’t meet his ACTUAL output. Someone compared him to dusty earlier, lumping their early careers in the same boat.

Dusty had more possessions, double the goals and triple the goal assists in their respective second years. They both basically got the same clearance numbers which were about average

Current players who have been compared to Dusty early in their careers.

DeGoey
Petracca
Zurhaar
Raynor
Rankine
Stringer
Greene
Rowell
Humphrey
Reid

 

[the big lebowski]

Like everyone the part of Reid that is humerus is in the upper arm.

I must admit he’s armed to the teeth

 

[garlic munchers]

I like Reid, his best is potentially better than Sheezel's best. No doubt about that. He's a less skilful faster gun, I rate him extraordinarily highly.

But who else have they got apart Mr 18 & 1.3?? Imagine they had Goater, George, Goad, Dawson, Whitlock, Archer, Dovaston, Thredgold and Mikund waiting in the nest.

We wouldn't hear the end of it.

They're so far behind the Kangaroopoos, not in the same sphere.

Lost you at the Whitlock bit........ Shanahan says Hi!

Your coach would be wider than he is tall if he could get his hands on young Jobe.

Goad????

Currently have him neck and neck with CDT, but I'll give it too you based on Goad's consistency




Archer v Ginbey, love the cut of your gib in taking Archer over Ginbey and yes, I'll concede again based on his propensity to get more frees....

 

[EagleMan87]

Lost you at the Whitlock bit........ Shanahan says Hi!

Your coach would be wider than he is tall if he could get his hands on young Jobe.

Goad????

Currently have him neck and neck with CDT, but I'll give it too you based on Goad's consistency

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Archer v Ginbey, love the cut of your gib in taking Archer over Ginbey and yes, I'll concede again based on his propensity to get more frees....

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Jesus, it's so easy to forget how young Ginbey is.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Tigers timeline is quite similar to Hawthorn’s post 3-peat, except their “master coach” didn’t outstay his welcome. Hardwick departing in 2023 was a blessing. They’ve also got draft value for trading premiership players which Hawthorn never did. I would say they are currently around 2022 on “Hawks rebuild time”, and could possibly be contending for the eight in 2 years time if things continue to go right for them.

Yeah contending for the 8 or WW is not contending for a premiership or 'contending' period. It's a stay of execution, yeah they're doing ok, even great if some of the injured kids come good. Maybe you're right. Just can't see how Richmond or anyone for that matter get ahead of Firstly Brisbane, but then GC17, I mean we're pushing shit (and we've been toilet for years & been given a shit tonne on top), Tigers will likely be too once they realise that this latest dead-cat bounce was exactly that.

Lost you at the Whitlock bit........ Shanahan says Hi!

Your coach would be wider than he is tall if he could get his hands on young Jobe.

Goad????

Currently have him neck and neck with CDT, but I'll give it too you based on Goad's consistency

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Archer v Ginbey, love the cut of your gib in taking Archer over Ginbey and yes, I'll concede again based on his propensity to get more frees....

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and? He's a lock down small Defender. Of course his stats aren't great.

Is he a better prospect? Probably not, but when one costs pick ~75 and the other costs a R1... he's more than handy.