Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2

[GingerDocker]

Its a catch 22 with Darcy.

He can't get match fit not playing matches.

But when he plays he isn't contributing enough yet to justify his selection and it's hurting us.

Do we continue to select him knowing we won't see his best for a few more weeks or do we just say enough is enough and run with Cox/Jackson.

The latter.

And that's coming from a lifetime Sean supporter.

I also think Cox might be more effective against Gawn anyway. The new ruck rules certainly aide those with a huge leap or extra height. I have a sneaking suspicion Max would rather come up against Jackson/Darcy than Jackson/Cox.

 

[chaosball32]

Another thing, the average score for this season so far is 96 points per game, up from 84 points last year. To put it into perspective, 5 years ago the average score was 79 points. A 22% increase in scoring in 5 years.

Obviously it’s unlikely to stay that high as the wet weather comes round but it’s pretty clear from the new rules implemented that they are solely designed to speed up the game and increase scoring, more goals = more ads = more money.

We’re already seeing the effects of this. In the 132 games JL has coached, Saturdays game was the first time where both teams scored 100+. Even Rossball managed a scoreline of 120-107.

This worries me for the two bolded reasons I previously mentioned:

1. Speeding up the game: I was already sceptical of the 2 ruck, 3 key forward system last year but now I’m certain it won’t work even with the extra rotation. Doubly so when one of those rucks is immobile and needs their minutes stringently managed. I don’t think it’s a surprise that Holmes was their best player on the weekend, regularly torching our relatively one-paced midfield with his burst speed. The game is getting quicker and we need extra runners

2. Increased scoring: 2022 which is statistically JL’s best year, a year we finished 5th on the ladder, we were 12th for total points for. Last year we were the lowest scoring team out of the top 8. This is a guy who’s built his game style off of rigid structure and team defence and has shown an inability to get teams regularly producing winning totals. Do we think 7 seasons in he’s going to be able to reinvent the wheel and get the most out of our now potent forward line?

 

[Footskill]

The melt after opening game, against quality Oppo, on their home deck , disadvantaged and still in til the end is hilarious

 

[Spirit Level]

Haven't been better than 3-3 at the end of round 6 since 2022.

Have to be 5-1 this year, just have to (4-2 absolute minimum).

 

[AGT]

The melt after opening game, against quality Oppo, on their home deck , disadvantaged and still in til the end is hilarious

You must be new here, welcome.

We were out of it half way into the 2nd after being 5 up, and any long time Freo supporter called it with disturbing accuracy whilst it was happening.

Cudos for you thinking we had a chance deep into the 4th, stick around a while and see the parttern.

 

[swanny1234]

You must be new here, welcome.

We were out of it half way into the 2nd after being 5 up, and any long time Freo supporter called it with disturbing accuracy whilst it was happening.

Cudos for you thinking we had a chance deep into the 4th, stick around a while and see the parttern.

My British flatmates watched the game with me (first game they’ve seen) and were utterly confused why I was so negative whilst we were still a few goals ahead early into the 3rd quarter…. All I said was just wait and see what happens.

Watching Freo - it’s the same story over and over and over. You see it coming from a mile off.

 

[AGT]

My British flatmates watched the game with me (first game they’ve seen) and were utterly confused why I was so negative whilst we were still a few goals ahead in the 3rd quarter…. All I said was just wait and see what happens.

Watching Freo - it’s the same story over and over and over. You see it coming from a mile off.

I think I made a comment in the game day thread very early in the 3rd that this game has "Longmuir written all over it".

I started smashing beers from that point and prepairing my Autopsy thread replys.


Its the hope that kills you.

 

[swanny1234]

I think I made a comment in the game day thread very early in the 3rd that this game has "Longmuir written all over it".

I started smashing beers from that point and prepairing my Autopsy thread replys.


It’s the hope that kills you.

I had been off the beers for a while over the end of summer…. It took 2 and half quarters of JLo’s coaching to send me straight back on them.

 

[estibador]

What's the solution then? Go hard for Chad and Kossie and if they don't come trade out anyone with currency and start rebuilding again?

If players that have had years in the system haven't progressed that's on JLo and the other coaches. Guys like Chapman, NOD, Switta, Johnson and Amiss do seem to have regressed in recent years.

I don't think Johnson deserves to be in that list. He's been incrementally building each year imo.

Maybe too slowly for people's liking, but incrementally building none-the-less.

 

[Footskill]

You must be new here, welcome.

We were out of it half way into the 2nd after being 5 up, and any long time Freo supporter called it with disturbing accuracy whilst it was happening.

Cudos for you thinking we had a chance deep into the 4th, stick around a while and see the parttern.

Yeh I'm NEW. So are you debutant. So must Duff lol

 

[Randomizor]

The melt after opening game, against quality Oppo, on their home deck , disadvantaged and still in til the end is hilarious

So… how many lost games before we can melt? What’s your number?

 

[Footskill]

So… how many lost games before we can melt? What’s your number?

I don't have a 'number' to satisfy your bloodlust. I don't also try pre empt the future and when it turns out correct in hindsight, but also stay positive until then. That's how I like to enjoy my hobbies and sports

PS.. I can tell you though.. it's not 1 lol

 

[AGT]

Yeh I'm NEW. So are you debutant. So must Duff lol

I've probably got more accounts and Emails blocked here then you have years supporting this club.

Don't let the "debutant" tag fool you.

 

[PrancingPony]

I don't have a 'number' to satisfy your bloodlust. I don't also try pre empt the future and when it turns out correct in hindsight, but also stay positive until then. That's how I like to enjoy my hobbies and sports

PS.. I can tell you though.. it's not 1 lol

Pretty much how I go about it, I'd say if I had to put a timeline on things, the bye is usually a pretty good place to judge how the team is going, but I agree, Round 1 is blatantly too early to make any calls about where this team is going this year. I imagine most cooler heads have prevailed now though and people aren't as heated now.

 

[Footskill]

Ive probobly got more accounts and Emails blocked here then you have years supporting this club.

Hmm must be a reason.. yet you wear it like a badge of honour

 

[swanny1234]

Pretty much how I go about it, I'd say if I had to put a timeline on things, the bye is usually a pretty good place to judge how the team is going, but I agree, Round 1 is blatantly too early to make any calls about where this team is going this year. I imagine most cooler heads have prevailed now though and people aren't as heated now.

Round 1 isn’t too early to make a call, when the call to sack this coach really should’ve been made 18 months ago, after the fade out in 2024, or at the very least 6 months ago when we choked against Gold Coast.

It clearly won’t happen, but that doesn’t change the fact that it should’ve.

 

[PrancingPony]

Round 1 isn’t too early to make a call, when the call to sack this coach really should’ve been made 18 months ago, after the fade out in 2024, or at the very least 6 months ago when we choked against Gold Coast.

He already should be on borrowed time.

You're welcome to your point of view, but you simply can't decide how a season is going to play out this early in the season in my opinion, we have no idea what will happen between now and the byes, if he's not performing to standard by then, then we can absolutely have discussions about his future, but until then, he's safe.

 

[swanny1234]

You're welcome to your point of view, but you simply can't decide how a season is going to play out this early in the season in my opinion, we have no idea what will happen between now and the byes, if he's not performing to standard by then, then we can absolutely have discussions about his future, but until then, he's safe.

No I agree he’s clearly safe, but that doesn’t mean I’m at all happy with it, and I think many people share my opinion.

If anything I think he’s safe this entire season regardless of what happens. I don’t think our board has the stomach to make a change mid season.

 

[PrancingPony]

No I agree he’s clearly safe, but that doesn’t mean I’m at all happy with it, and I think many people share my opinion.

If anything I think he’s safe this entire season regardless of what happens. I don’t think our board has the stomach to make a change mid season.

I don't think sacking him mid-season would make the club any better regardless, are we going to be playing better with Jaymie Graham at the helm for the second half of the season in that scenario? Likely not.

I'm fine for the time being, but as I said, if things get worse and we're in bad shape by the byes, I'll be willing to question whether or not he's still the play.

 

[AGT]

Hmm must be a reason.. yet you wear it like a badge of honour

Yeah, the reason is I'm passionate, id like to see 1 flag before I die.
I want success and have little time for complacency, or acceptance of failure.
The reason this 32 year old club has not seen any success is because of fans like you, who are complacent and accepting of failure ad nauseam.

 

[PrancingPony]

Yeah, the reason is I'm passionate, id like to see 1 flag before I die.
I want success and have little time for complacency, or acceptance of failure.
The reason this 32 year old club has not seen any success is because of fans like you, who are complacent and accepting of failure ad nauseam.

 

[Purple Suit]

Round 1 isn’t too early to make a call, when the call to sack this coach really should’ve been made 18 months ago, after the fade out in 2024, or at the very least 6 months ago when we choked against Gold Coast.

It clearly won’t happen, but that doesn’t change the fact that it should’ve.

Yeah,
I mean the Lions haven't won their first game for 4 seasons in a row and made a grand final in every one (this year to come). Fages had the Lions blow a home prelim for a home GF and couldn't win at the MCG. Eventually it all changed and the rest is History.

Maybe we should hold off on the hand ringing so soon.

 

[oldgoat]

Yeh I'm NEW. So are you debutant. So must Duff lol

just so

 

[oldgoat]

So… how many lost games before we can melt? What’s your number?

you were primed to melt anyway Rando...it doesnt matter

 

[Raz]

Justin is to blame I guess for not being able to get the team fit enough to run our 4qtts

After the clustering start they were slower in final 3 qtr and gave up the chase when feeling hot ball . They let too many Geelong players get into space and they chipped the ball from mark to mark totally uncontested

Likes like players either thought gage over at qtr time or were totally unfit

Wasn’t just one or two players was most of the team

So yes this time it is coaches fault for lack of fitness and lack of informing them at the breaks

Nothing to do with selection of Sean , even a fit Darcy wouldn’t have changed the result . The players just didn’t cover their man nor chase hard enough . Nothing to do with strategy , all down to players fitness or attitude