Preview Changes Round 9 vs Zak B

[Mojorisin]

Out: VDM (INJ), Emmett, Kennedy (managed)
In: Baker, Smith, Budarick

Smith can play 40% game time all in the ruck, English can ruck 60% and then cover for naughton and Lewis.

Fridge and Sanders can split Kennedy's CBA's whilst the remaining inside minutes can be split amongst the smalls to see what different looks we can get. West, Gallagher, Jones and even Sellwood can have a crack, anything to make us less predictable through there.

 

[Foxman98]

Can’t believe anyone would seriously want us to have a bloke that routinely takes 1 or less marks in the VFL playing as a key forward in the AFL for 20% of the game? Emmett took four marks last week, two inside 50 so he at least can do some semblance of the role. Smith on demonstrated ability is utterly incapable.

You say this like he hasn’t gone markless in 2/4 games

There is literally 0 argument you can make to play Emmett in the current role he’s in which given 80% of it is ruck work Smith is vastly superior

If Louis was taking 3-4 marks inside 50 and kicking 1-2 goals a game you could make the case however he’s clearly having no impact at all in fact is a net negative

 

[threenewpadlocks]

You say this like he hasn’t gone markless in 2/4 games

There is literally 0 argument you can make to play Emmett in the current role he’s in which given 80% of it is ruck work Smith is vastly superior

If Louis was taking 3-4 marks inside 50 and kicking 1-2 goals a game you could make the case however he’s clearly having no impact at all in fact is a net negative

It's not unreasonable to assume that Emmett might have a breakthrough game with the talent he clearly has in a way that we just assume Smith might though

 

[Sharkey66]

Yeah tough one after the VFL.

Hynes probably best on, but more in a midfield role which he won't play at AFL level yet and do you want to keep yo-yoing him? Baker pretty good, went hard as usual, didn't stop running so an obvious one to return for VDM.

Was hoping Croft had a good game, but he didn't do a lot and went down 2-3 times holding the shoulder or winded in hits, so not sure he is an option. Smith solid in the ruck, but around the ground didn't do much. Only 1 tackle and 0 marks isn't good enough when you need to see him offering a bit more outside of hitouts, which he would be coming in to the AFL team for.

IN - Budarick, Baker, Hynes, Croft (maybe? if not hurt...)
Out - VDM, Davidson, Dolan (or McNeil if suspended), Emmett

Play Bramble wing / hff again with Budarick back and Baker to hff.

McNeil no case to answer

 

[Foxman98]

It's not unreasonable to assume that Emmett might have a breakthrough game with the talent he clearly has in a way that we just assume Smith might though

Have you watched his 4 games yet?

Kid needs 15kg before he’s ready

 

[lachy]

It's not unreasonable to assume that Emmett might have a breakthrough game with the talent he clearly has in a way that we just assume Smith might though

Seriously what expectations do you have. Yes it is unreasonable to expect he might have a breakthrough game.

Have people here got it through their heads we have an immediate crisisnto get through with the injuries we have. We have to make the most of what we have now until some of the troops come back.

Smith is likely to never make it in the AFL and Emmett likely to be a 200 gamer. This is totally irrelevent to now. Smith is miles ahead of anything Emmett can offer now. We needed to win last night, we need to win whilst we have the current injury crisis. This is not supercoach

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Seriously what expectations do you have. Yes it is unreasonable to expect he might have a breakthrough game.

Have people here got it through their heads we have an immediate crisisnto get through with the injuries we have. We have to make the most of what we have now until some of the troops come back.

Smith is likely to never make it in the AFL and Emmett likely to be a 200 gamer. This is totally irrelevent to now. Smith is miles ahead of anything Emmett can offer now. We needed to win last night, we need to win whilst we have the current injury crisis. This is not supercoach

He was probably better in taking marks than Smith at the VFL game that he did play this year, I wouldn't say that's no evidence

 

[Doggies7]

McNeil no case to answer

I didn't think he would go, but you just never know with the AFL...

 

[FoochPackage]

It's not unreasonable to assume that Emmett might have a breakthrough game with the talent he clearly has in a way that we just assume Smith might though

You don't believe Emmett is about to have a breakout game. My goodness. Stop with this.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

You don't believe Emmett is about to have a breakout game. My goodness. Stop with this.

You're right, but we're speaking in the context of his likelihood relative to Smith also having a breakout game. We've seen three years of Smith not taking marks inside 50 even when pushing forward in the VFL.

 

[lachy]

21 to 7 hitouts that game, again Smith at the moment where we have been the last 4 weeks is miles ahead of Emmett as a ruck which is where we are getting smashed around the ground where most ruck contests occur and the new rule does not impact

 

[Frewy]

Are people seeing something wrong with Kennedy that I'm not.

Apart from carrying a bigger load with our injuries and junior squad, he's doing ok.

Got 30 touches (which is great) at 57% which although isn't great, isn't awful.

Equal game high nine clearances as well. Kennedy is one of the least of our concerns right now.

 

[TMoney22]

I like the look of Emmett but its wayy too early for him to be playing AFL. He should be the developing ruck behind a second rate mature plug and play and learning in the VFL. Right now his mind is shot which you can tell by his kicking. 3 (2 at goal) have been absolute shanks out of 6, he is better than that, its just in his head at the moment. Smith needs to be playing, he would have been competitive against Cox and Sweet is a good match up for him. Yes he cannot play forward but thats what happens when we are decimated by injuries.

 

[TiAn_]

Seriously what expectations do you have. Yes it is unreasonable to expect he might have a breakthrough game.

Have people here got it through their heads we have an immediate crisisnto get through with the injuries we have. We have to make the most of what we have now until some of the troops come back.

Smith is likely to never make it in the AFL and Emmett likely to be a 200 gamer. This is totally irrelevent to now. Smith is miles ahead of anything Emmett can offer now. We needed to win last night, we need to win whilst we have the current injury crisis. This is not supercoach

Now that English is back, the ‘crisis’ is a lack of KPP and marking power at both ends and around the ground. We took 3 contested marks on the weekend. 3. Smith, who took 0 marks in the VFL yesterday and conceded 7 to Brayden Crossley, and can’t play a role at either end, doesn’t help at all with our biggest problem, he makes it worse. And he isn’t nearly good enough as a ruckman to offset that.

 

[Mojorisin]

Equal game high nine clearances as well. Kennedy is one of the least of our concerns right now.

He is one of my biggest concerns. Clearances are only relevant when they're effective and most of Kennedy's were either dump kicks forward or hospital handballs. Even so the benefit he has given us in the contest is far outweighed by his ability to cover the ground when the game starts moving.
I'm assuming like most of our guys at the moment he is carrying something because its a steep drop off from his contributions last year. He has almost completely done a 180 infront of goals this year aswell. Last year I marked it in the book as soon as he was lining up for goal however this year he is far from a sure thing.

 

[lachy]

Now that English is back, the ‘crisis’ is a lack of KPP and marking power at both ends and around the ground. We took 3 contested marks on the weekend. 3. Smith, who took 0 marks in the VFL yesterday and conceded 7 to Brayden Crossley, and can’t play a role at either end, doesn’t help at all with our biggest problem, he makes it worse. And he isn’t nearly good enough as a ruckman to offset that.

No TiAn the last 4 weeks including this week it is not just at both ends we have a crisis it remains until Lobb comes back with the 30 odd stoppages we get obliterated in the ruck contests around the ground with non existent back up rucks. Numbers do not lie.

With English back that was more evident and goals and scores from stoppage clearance are through the roof since we have become totally ineffective.

Add to that in 2 of the games played Emmett had no marks including this one. That is zero, zilch. English resting forward for 10 to 15% of the game whilst Smith is at least providing a contest to reduce the bleeding at stoppage also addresses our other issue.

You seem oblivious to the fact our 3 back up rucks including Cordy are injured, they are not an option at the moment at all and it is hurting us big time.

I don't think Smith will make it as a first ruck until he either dominates not break even against quality rucks, 36 to 34 hitouts against Crossly yesterday, or starts marking around the ground to be an outlet or support defence, but to say he is not a significant upgrade on the only alternative now available, Emmett is utter nonsense proved time and again over the last 4 weeks by clear evidence

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Smiths impact around the ground at VFK was much better than his stats. It was raining and a lot of his work was just grunt getting the ball forward. Right now Smith just playing a role that takes around the ground stoppages and bollocking inside and allows Tim to float forwards and back to take marks defensively and kick goals solves a few issues.

It is easy to forget how good Tim is up forward - he is a nightmare to play on and most rucks just can’t play on him / he has Darcy height but with body size that doesn’t get him pushed off and as a roving tall - he is smart and runs - a nightmare match up.

I would have Tim taking CBs and then floating forward or back - down the middle of the ground as a roving tall in a way that Gawn does so well. Get Smith to play in ball for significant periods of the middle of the quarter. Tim doesn’t get tired from running - he is a canine that burns his opponents/ he gets tired from wrestling and this shows that the end of quarters. Do this rotation in the middle of the quarters and he can come home strong.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Gee, glad I started the thread so we can go round and round about Smith v Emmett...

On the plus side, McNeil should get some clear air on here this week being virtually guaranteed a spot next week.

 

[BigFloppa]

Todd Marshall

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Todd Marshall

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27

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198cm

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94kg

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Fwd

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9.0

2star

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6.4

3star

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2.5

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3.3

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2.5

4star

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1.1

4star

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8.9

2star

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7.1

3star

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1.8

1star

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3.8

4star

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3.0

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1.1

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9.6

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5.6

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4.0

3star

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3.0

3star

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2.4

4star

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1.6

5star

will kill us

 

[Dogs 13]

Gee, glad I started the thread so we can go round and round about Smith v Emmett...

On the plus side, McNeil should get some clear air on here this week being virtually guaranteed a spot next week.

First one selected

 

[Doggy]

Todd Marshall will kill us

Is he going to do that from the reserves? He's a decent chance to get dropped if he is even fit

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Baker for Vandermeer and Smith for Emmett seem to be the no brainers. Seems like Budarick is the only injured player with a chance of returning. Would like to see Jaques back, his dropping was underserved but since he didn't play well in the VFL I think it's unlikely he returns. Cooper Hynes should stay in the VFL for a bit and build a strong base of form. Would like to move both Bramble and Williams further up the ground and away from defense but not sure that is possible yet

B: Coffield, Busslinger, Khamis
HB: Dale, Williams, Sellwood

R: English, Kennedy, Richards
C: Gallagher, Bontempelli, Davidson

HF: Baker, Freijah, McNeil
F: West, Naughton, Lewis

I: Budarick, Bramble, Sanders, Dolan, Smith

Not the best looking side. Treloar probably should come back in too but since the second ruck plays low TOG and a lot of others are carrying injuries and probably won't play their normal minutes, I'm not sure if there will be room to play another on reduced minutes who can't run

 

[TiAn_]

No TiAn the last 4 weeks including this week it is not just at both ends we have a crisis it remains until Lobb comes back with the 30 odd stoppages we get obliterated in the ruck contests around the ground with non existent back up rucks. Numbers do not lie.

With English back that was more evident and goals and scores from stoppage clearance are through the roof since we have become totally ineffective.

Add to that in 2 of the games played Emmett had no marks including this one. That is zero, zilch. English resting forward for 10 to 15% of the game whilst Smith is at least providing a contest to reduce the bleeding at stoppage also addresses our other issue.

You seem oblivious to the fact our 3 back up rucks including Cordy are injured, they are not an option at the moment at all and it is hurting us big time.

I don't think Smith will make it as a first ruck until he either dominates not break even against quality rucks, 36 to 34 hitouts against Crossly yesterday, or starts marking around the ground to be an outlet or support defence, but to say he is not a significant upgrade on the only alternative now available, Emmett is utter nonsense proved time and again over the last 4 weeks by clear evidence

The evidence says we’re second in the comp for clearances and conceding the fifth least, so the 25% of the game English isn’t rucking is a far smaller concern than than the 100% of the game we’ve been shorthanded with KPPs and currently taking the least contested marks in the comp and conceding the most.

Taking English out of the midfield and replacing him with a bloke that plays like he’s 5’9”, who took 0 marks in the VFL yesterday and conceded 7 to Brayden Crossley, and just won’t win many hit outs anyway, is “fixing” something that isn’t really a problem at the cost of exacerbating what is actually our biggest problem.

I can’t explain this any more clearly than I already have. If you’re just stuck in your thinking on this it is what it is.

 

[Dog 36]

Is he going to do that from the reserves? He's a decent chance to get dropped if he is even fit

Then that almost guarantees he takes us to the cleaners

We have a knack playing out of form opposition players into form and career best figures

Still have nightmares of Corey McKernan got dropped and came back for our game and put a 7 goal BOG display

 

[Doggy]

Then that almost guarantees he takes us to the cleaners

We have a knack playing out of form opposition players into form and career best figures

Still have nightmares of Corey McKernan got dropped and came back for our game and put a 7 goal BOG display

From the SANFL?