“He’s simply getting on with the job of navigating a young group through the perils of inconsistency...”

[Sleezy]

So I've done some maths.

Across 21 games this season's we've had:
- 7 players with 0-25 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 8 players with 26-75 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 6 players with 76-150 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 8 players with 150 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses

Based on 21 games of AFL player ratings data, for these groups:
0-25:
- 18% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 7.9 (wins: 8.7; losses: 7.2)
26-75:
- 5% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 9.6 (wins: 9.9; losses: 9.4)
76-150:
- 36% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 8.5 (wins: 10.2; losses: 7.0)
150+:
- 6% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 12 (wins: 12.4; losses: 11.6)

But yes, it's the youngsters fault we're inconsistent.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So I've done some maths.

Across 21 games this season's we've had:
- 7 players with 0-25 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 8 players with 26-75 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 6 players with 76-150 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 8 players with 150 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses

Based on 21 games of AFL player ratings data, for these groups:
0-25:
- 18% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 7.9 (wins: 8.7; losses: 7.2)
26-75:
- 5% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 9.6 (wins: 9.9; losses: 9.4)
76-150:
- 36% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 8.5 (wins: 10.2; losses: 7.0)
150+:
- 6% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 12 (wins: 12.4; losses: 11.6)

But yes, it's the youngsters fault we're inconsistent.

email that to Rucci and Whateley - Kornes as well. Have your data ready for follow up questions.

 

[Sleezy]

email that to Rucci and Whateley - Kornes as well. Have your data ready for follow up questions.

Do you have their emails?

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

So I've done some maths.

Across 21 games this season's we've had:
- 7 players with 0-25 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 8 players with 26-75 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 6 players with 76-150 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 8 players with 150 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses

Based on 21 games of AFL player ratings data, for these groups:
0-25:
- 18% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 7.9 (wins: 8.7; losses: 7.2)
26-75:
- 5% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 9.6 (wins: 9.9; losses: 9.4)
76-150:
- 36% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 8.5 (wins: 10.2; losses: 7.0)
150+:
- 6% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 12 (wins: 12.4; losses: 11.6)

But yes, it's the youngsters fault we're inconsistent.

Golden

 

[Sleezy]

email that to Rucci and Whateley - Kornes as well. Have your data ready for follow up questions.

Actually, probably better off contacting someone unbiased like Tredrae. Facts don't work on the likes of Kornes and Whateley. I'll see if I can track down his contacts.

 

[NEGAN]

How they presented Ken Hinkley on Footy Classified has got me dumbfounded. A big player for the Carlton job,played the youngsters... supporters are harsh on him....etc

Adding to my bemusement was the way they tee off on Pyke.

What voodoo does this guy have.

This was back in July.....holy Moly

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Do you have their emails?

No, but try and send a message to him on twitter

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[Doctor Feel]

He’s simply getting on with the job of doing a poo through the perils of consistency...

 

[Sleezy]

No, but try and send a message to him on twitter

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Joined twitter, just so I could pass it on. Let's see if anything comes of it.

 

[Sleezy]

Also, based on tribey 's OP:
Younger & Less Experienced:
8 games - 4W, 4L

Older & More Experienced:
12 games - 6W, 6L

Older & Less Experienced:
1 game, 1 loss

Consistently inconsistent. It's like clockwork.

 

[GremioPower]

So I've done some maths.

Across 21 games this season's we've had:
- 7 players with 0-25 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 8 players with 26-75 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 6 players with 76-150 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses
- 8 players with 150 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses

Based on 21 games of AFL player ratings data, for these groups:
0-25:
- 18% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 7.9 (wins: 8.7; losses: 7.2)
26-75:
- 5% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 9.6 (wins: 9.9; losses: 9.4)
76-150:
- 36% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 8.5 (wins: 10.2; losses: 7.0)
150+:
- 6% drop in performance in losses v wins
- average rating: 12 (wins: 12.4; losses: 11.6)

But yes, it's the youngsters fault we're inconsistent.

I have counted NINE players with >150 games: Travis Boak (20), Justin Westhoff (19), Robbie Gray (18), Tom Rockliff (17), Paddy Ryder (16), Steven Motlop (14), Brad Ebert (11), Hamish Hartlett (10), and Matthew Broadbent (9).

Moreover, 76-150 games is co-captain territory! These are the "6 players with 76-150 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses:" Sam Gray (19), Tom Jonas (17), Scott Lycett (16), Ollie Wines (11), Darcy Byrne-Jones (9), and Charlie Dixon (8).

Scott Lycett (7w, 9l) - 76th game, v. Melb (R1)
Darcy Byrne-Jones (4w, 5l) - 76th game, v. Freo (R13)
Tom Clurey (2w, 3l) - 76th game - v. Bris (R17)

The other lists are:

- 7 players with 0-25 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses: Connor Rozee (21), Zak Butters (19), Xavier Duursma (19), Todd Marshall (9), Willem Drew (9), Jarrod Lienert (7), and Kane Farrell (7);

- 8 players with 26-75 games experience play in at least 3 wins and 3 losses: Dan Houston (20), Sam Powell-Pepper (19), Tom Clurey (16), Karl Amon (16), Riley Bonner (15), Ryan Burton (15), Dougal Howard (15), and Darcy Byrne-Jones (12).

Riley Bonner (7w, 8l) - 26th game - v. Bris (R3)

 

[tribey]

6th oldest and 7th most experienced team of Round 23.

And that’s without Ebert, Watts and Motlop, who short of an unexpected sacking/retirement, would still be in the first team mix beyond their collective cap hit.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

The only young kids (under 20) we had in the team were Rozee, Duursma and Marshall

 

[Granny Duurs is Lovely]

The only young kids (under 20) we had in the team were Rozee, Duursma and Marshall

Under 20 at the end of the year applies to barely anyone - in fact it doesn't even apply to Marshall, he's about to turn 21 along with Drew.

 

[El_Scorcho]

We played 5 players with less than 50 games against Freo.

Of the 2019 finalists

Richmond played 5
West Coast played 5
Geelong played 6
Collingwood played 6
Brisbane played 6
GWS played 7
Essendon played 8
Bulldogs played 9

 

[tribey]

“Rozee and Duursma are replacing Wingard and Polec, stupid!”

- “Who replaces Gray and Boak?”

“Disregard!”

 

[GremioPower]

Here, attached, our First-22 side by games played this season.

Just stare in awe how young and inexperienced our side was.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Our hombre Reece in his Sunday Mail article keeps up the carry on about Port being a young team in 2019.

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With more kids arriving this off-season and a chunk of experience on the way out, Port’s demographic has shifted even further in the direction of youth, but perhaps not enough.

The Power finished 10th with an 11-11 record this season while blooding a heap of kids and dealing with a constant string of injuries that often robbed it of top-end talent.

Below is a list of the players who had played less than 25 games before the season started and SPP was the only one with more than 25 games experience, who had only done 3 AFL preseasons.

Further proof of outside the three first round picks in 2018 racking up 61 of a possible 66 games, the 9 other inexperienced players, were bit players and racked up 47 games.

During Rounds 7 to 13 it was those 6 games (Rd 12 was a bye) that we had between 5 to 8 of our best 22 players missing with injuries and had to play a lot of inexperienced players, starting with no Dixon, Hartlett, Watts, Jonas and Robbie in Rd 7, then Rd 8 adding Wines and Ebert, then Rd 9 adding Burton, and Rd 13 we were missing Dixon, Watts, Rockliff, Wines and Ebert and thats when the guys in single digits got multiple games.

Player	2019​	Games Before​
	Games​	2019​
Connor Rozee	22​	0​
Xavier Duursma	20​	0​
Zak Butters	19​	0​
Todd Marshall	10​	10​
Willem Drew	10​	0​
Kane Farrell	7​	5​
Jarrod Lienert	7​	6​
Peter Ladhams	5​	0​
Joel Garner	4​	0​
Billy Frampton	2​	1​
Aidyn Johnson	1​	10​
Joe Atley	1​	3​

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I didn't consider Motlop being dropped as a key player. Player was injured unless other description.

Anyone remember why SPP didn't play Rd 23. Was he omitted from original squad of 26 or was he omitted from it. Can find anything except Thursday named squad.

Rnd	Key Players Missing
R1	Dixon	Hartlett				Wines			3​
R2	Dixon	Hartlett				Wines			3​
R3	Dixon	Hartlett	Watts						3​
R4	Dixon	Hartlett	Watts						3​
R5	Dixon	Hartlett	Watts						3​
R6	Dixon	Hartlett	Watts	Jonas					4​
R7	Dixon	Hartlett	Watts	Jonas	Robbie				5​
R8	Dixon	Hartlett	Watts	Jonas	Robbie	Wines	Ebert		7​
R9	Dixon	Hartlett	Watts	Jonas	Robbie	Wines	Ebert	Burton	8​
R10	Dixon	Hartlett	Watts	Lycett		Wines	Ebert	Burton	7​
R11	Dixon	Hartlett	Watts	Rockliff		Wines	Ebert		6​
R13	Dixon		Watts	Rockliff		Wines	Ebert		5​
R14			Watts	Rockliff					3​
R15	Howard susp		Watts	Rockliff			​	Amon susp	3​
R16	Boak		Watts						2​
R17	Houston		Watts						2​
R18			Watts			Wines	Ebert	Burton	4​
R19	Dixon drop		Watts			Wines	Ebert	Burton​	4​
R20			Watts	Lycett drop		Wines	Ebert	Burton	5​
R21			Watts	Lycett drop			Ebert	Burton	3​
R22			Watts	Lycett drop			Ebert	​	2​
R23			Watts			Clurey	Ebert	SPP	4​

 

[Power Raid]

to summarise............F Off Ken and F Off Keith

 

[Power Raid]

I’m not defending ken because I want him gone but people saying we don’t have a young group

Under 23 in best 22
Rozee
Butters
Duursma
Houston
DBJ
Howard
SPP
Bonner
Amon
Garner
Burton
Half of our best 22 are 23 and younger

Excluding: Marshall, Drew, Ladhams, Farrell, Frampton, Johnson who have all played games

This group is young. Our numbers are inflated because we have 4 250ish game players over 30 in our best 22

Bolded those who are definitely going to make it and be on our list during the next premiership tilt

 

[Portology]

I’m sure all you quants have done your bit here with the stats. With all due respect, tl;dr. And sorry for skipping on your details in favour of the big picture:

Which is that I’d be prepared to tolerate a bit more inconsistency from a “young group” than I would of stubbornness, of “refusal to learn” and of pig headed “denialism” from an old coach.

There is an excuse, a short term horizon, for one of these sets of qualities. Not for the other. #sackhinkley


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[Expat power]

How they presented Ken Hinkley on Footy Classified has got me dumbfounded. A big player for the Carlton job,played the youngsters... supporters are harsh on him....etc

Adding to my bemusement was the way they tee off on Pyke.

What voodoo does this guy have.

Maybe because they have a more objective view

 

[RossFC]

Maybe because they have a more objective view

Isn't Kane Cornes on footy classified? The guy isn't objective. He's a troll.

 

[manureid]

The narrative doesn't have to align with the truth.