“He’s simply getting on with the job of navigating a young group through the perils of inconsistency...”

[NEGAN]

Maybe because they have a more objective view

I am one that does try to see the positives of the club.

Ken is not a positive. You could probably add Kosh and Keith to that.

Outside of that trio I am ok.

 

[tribey]

 

[tribey]

Average Ages — Round 5, 2020

1. Hawthorn: 27y 314d
2. Geelong: 27y 241d
3. Port: 26y 249d
4. West Coast: 26y 238d
5. Richmond: 26y 236d
6. Collingwood: 26y 115d
7. GWS: 26y 22d
8. North: 26y 13d
9. Carlton: 26y 3d
10. Essendon: 25y 295d
11. Brisbane: 25y 191d
12. Melbourne: 25y 133d
13. Adelaide: 25y 83d
14. Footscray: 24y 257d
15. St Kilda: 24y 253d
16. Freo: 24y 240d
17. Sydney: 24y 128d
18. Gold Coast: 24y 123d

So the only teams older than us last week have shared 7 premierships since we last played in a Qualifying Final.

Bloody kids.

 

[Del165198]

Average Ages — Round 5, 2020

1. Hawthorn: 27y 314d
2. Geelong: 27y 241d
3. Port: 26y 249d
4. West Coast: 26y 238d
5. Richmond: 26y 236d
6. Collingwood: 26y 115d
7. GWS: 26y 22d
8. North: 26y 13d
9. Carlton: 26y 3d
10. Essendon: 25y 295d
11. Brisbane: 25y 191d
12. Melbourne: 25y 133d
13. Adelaide: 25y 83d
14. Footscray: 24y 257d
15. St Kilda: 24y 253d
16. Freo: 24y 240d
17. Sydney: 24y 128d
18. Gold Coast: 24y 123d

So the only teams older than us last week have shared 7 premierships since we last played in a Qualifying Final.

Bloody kids.

The next 2 after us have won flags too. The 2 after them have gone close.

We're the only ones to do jack shit

 

[tribey]

The next 2 after us have won flags too. The 2 after them have gone close.

We're the only ones to do jack sh*t

You’d be concerned if you followed us, North and Carlton — although we might still defy all historical form and jag one this year.

Brisbane and the Scray look beautifully placed, and even the latter managed to fluke one not long ago.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Average Ages — Round 5, 2020

1. Hawthorn: 27y 314d
2. Geelong: 27y 241d
3. Port: 26y 249d
4. West Coast: 26y 238d
5. Richmond: 26y 236d
6. Collingwood: 26y 115d
7. GWS: 26y 22d
8. North: 26y 13d
9. Carlton: 26y 3d
10. Essendon: 25y 295d
11. Brisbane: 25y 191d
12. Melbourne: 25y 133d
13. Adelaide: 25y 83d
14. Footscray: 24y 257d
15. St Kilda: 24y 253d
16. Freo: 24y 240d
17. Sydney: 24y 128d
18. Gold Coast: 24y 123d

So the only teams older than us last week have shared 7 premierships since we last played in a Qualifying Final.

Bloody kids.

1 and 2 trying to squeeze one more flag out of the dynasty players
- Burgoyne 3, Puopolo 3, Frawley 1, Smith 3, Stratton 3, McEvoy 2, Shiels 3, Gunston 3,
- Ablett 2, Taylor 2, Selwood 3, Hawkins 2,

4 and 5 have won premierships the last 3 years

6 made a GF 2 years ago and a PF last year

7 has entered peak years on massive concessions of star kids ie years 8-13 will be GWS peak years not 1-5 as media tried to tell us.

We are stuck trying to push for a flag with players who have failed to make finals.

 

[tribey]

We are stuck trying to push for a flag with players who have failed to make finals.

While shamelessly pushing a narrative which has somehow become an almost universally-accepted fact that we’re overflowing with pimply youth, and this augurs really well for 2-3 years’ time.

Should we lose against the Giants you can guarantee we’ll trot it out again and those excuses will be lapped up by the media and supporter base alike.

 

[PA88]

Average Ages — Round 5, 2020

1. Hawthorn: 27y 314d
2. Geelong: 27y 241d
3. Port: 26y 249d
4. West Coast: 26y 238d
5. Richmond: 26y 236d
6. Collingwood: 26y 115d
7. GWS: 26y 22d
8. North: 26y 13d
9. Carlton: 26y 3d
10. Essendon: 25y 295d
11. Brisbane: 25y 191d
12. Melbourne: 25y 133d
13. Adelaide: 25y 83d
14. Footscray: 24y 257d
15. St Kilda: 24y 253d
16. Freo: 24y 240d
17. Sydney: 24y 128d
18. Gold Coast: 24y 123d

So the only teams older than us last week have shared 7 premierships since we last played in a Qualifying Final.

Bloody kids.

It is a worry.
I assume that this is the 22 that played?
Which is a better gauge than looking at the entire list imo.
The age profile of the weekly 22 and the average of the averages over the season (or the median of the medians) would be of more interest to me as the average age of the entire list can misrepresent.

 

[Coobk001]

But Kane's all

WHERE ARE THE HINKLEY HATERS NOW....

 

[PowerForGood]

Posted this in a different thread, but thought it was relevant enough for here.

=================================
Whilst stalking the Crows disaster looking for the latest Kool-Aid being administered to explain Reilly O'Brien's brain fade, I came across a post on their "half-way through a 4-year rebuild" disaster which stated
"Port will undertake their rebuild very shortly too. Footy in our state is going to be a pathetic spectacle for years. "

I thought that was an interesting post (admittedly born out of hatred and/or jealousy).

So I took out all the 29+ players out of our current squad, which are 10 in number.
Westhoff, Gray, Boak, Rockliff, Ebert, Harlett, Dixon, Jonas, Motlop, Watts
(Edit: KT and Ken, these are who make our squad OLD)

And was left with the following as an example (current age in brackets), move them around as you see fit.
(Edit: KT and Ken, this is the side that would be considered YOUNG, even with Sutcliffe on the bench )

I reckon that looks pretty good. Light on for key defenders (which we are with a full squad anyway)


FF Butters (19), Marshall (21), Atley (21)

HF Farrell (21), Georgiadis (18), Rozee (20)

C Amon (24), Wines (25), Duursma (20)

HB Burton (23), Lienert (25), Byrne Jones (24)

FB McKenzie (28), Clurey (26), Bonner (23)

R Lycett (27), Houston (23), Powell-Pepper (23)

I Sutcliffe (28), Mayes (26), Ladhams (22), Drew (21)

 

[PowerForGood]

It is a worry.
I assume that this is the 22 that played?
Which is a better gauge than looking at the entire list imo.
The age profile of the weekly 22 and the average of the averages over the season (or the median of the medians) would be of more interest to me as the average age of the entire list can misrepresent.

We've been averaging 26 1/2 years of age for the 4 games since restart. Only West Coast (27) being older out of the 4 opponents. GC (23), Freo and Adel (25), Bris (25.5) all younger.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Cliff's Notes from Hinkley's memoirs on how to appear to be successful in the AFL:

1. Luck out in drafting a few superstars in the 1st round
2. Play them right away while surrounding them with proto-geriatrics
3. Finish 10th
4. Claim "Yeah, but youf"

 

[Granny Duurs is Lovely]

There's nothing wrong playing old guys while we're winning games and sitting at the top of the ladder. We keep winning and that's the right move. It becomes the wrong move when we start losing and don't preference youth over older players.

While shamelessly pushing a narrative which has somehow become an almost universally-accepted fact that we’re overflowing with pimply youth, and this augurs really well for 2-3 years’ time.

Should we lose against the Giants you can guarantee we’ll trot it out again and those excuses will be lapped up by the media and supporter base alike.

People are saying that because we've taken 8 picks in top 25 of the draft over the last 2 years. That's a massive draft haul of highly rated youngsters which means we have the young quality already to avoid bottoming out.

 

[tribey]

People are saying that because we've taken 8 picks in top 25 of the draft over the last 2 years. That's a massive draft haul of highly rated youngsters which means we have the young quality already to avoid bottoming out.

They don’t cancel out the 10 guys who will be 30 or over by the start of next season and represent the core of our prime movers and quality.

What you’re describing is a ‘they know we’re coming’ Carlton scenario.

Even if all those picks make it to a commensurate level (they won’t), they’re only replacing the impending retirement exodus.

 

[Steve Dore]

I for one am very glad we're getting games into a young Cam Sutcliffe. It's young guns like him that will be the core of our premiership tilt in ten years time. Hinkley must be given more time to develop this extremely young playing list.

 

[GremioPower]

We have a bunch of old guys; many youngsters; and very few players in between. We all know that. It is also true that we don't play as many youngsters as we could (or should), despite all the saying in contrary.

Hinkley only uses players from a short list; perhaps, too short. Every coach has his preferences; some, completely incomprehensible. It's common. They become an issue when teams are losing, and we have been losing for quite a long time already.

Sutcliffe is not as bad as many here think, but he was victim of his own selection. He is linked to both Hinkley and failure. He is in Neade or Sammy territory. As sad and unfair as it may sound, there isn't much he can do about it. It happens.

#SackHinkley

 

[PJ Power]

Posted this in a different thread, but thought it was relevant enough for here.

=================================
Whilst stalking the Crows disaster looking for the latest Kool-Aid being administered to explain Reilly O'Brien's brain fade, I came across a post on their "half-way through a 4-year rebuild" disaster which stated
"Port will undertake their rebuild very shortly too. Footy in our state is going to be a pathetic spectacle for years. "

I thought that was an interesting post (admittedly born out of hatred and/or jealousy).

So I took out all the 29+ players out of our current squad, which are 10 in number.
Westhoff, Gray, Boak, Rockliff, Ebert, Harlett, Dixon, Jonas, Motlop, Watts
(Edit: KT and Ken, these are who make our squad OLD)

And was left with the following as an example (current age in brackets), move them around as you see fit.
(Edit: KT and Ken, this is the side that would be considered YOUNG, even with Sutcliffe on the bench )

I reckon that looks pretty good. Light on for key defenders (which we are with a full squad anyway)


FF Butters (19), Marshall (21), Atley (21)

HF Farrell (21), Georgiadis (18), Rozee (20)

C Amon (24), Wines (25), Duursma (20)

HB Burton (23), Lienert (25), Byrne Jones (24)

FB McKenzie (28), Clurey (26), Bonner (23)

R Lycett (27), Houston (23), Powell-Pepper (23)

I Sutcliffe (28), Mayes (26), Ladhams (22), Drew (21)

That team is finishing bottom 4 though.

 

[Stevros]

We have a few older guys but they aren’t all gonna retire in the 1 year so it’s not gonna destroy us like everyone is saying. 2 or 3 will retire this year. I think Mitch and Bergman will play a bit this year but can’t rush them when not much game experience they were injured most of last year as well
I think by next year we will have 6 or 7 2nd and 3rd year players in the team

 

[PJ Power]

They don’t cancel out the 10 guys who will be 30 or over by the start of next season and represent the core of our prime movers and quality.

What you’re describing is a ‘they know we’re coming’ Carlton scenario.

Even if all those picks make it to a commensurate level (they won’t), they’re only replacing the impending retirement exodus.

Yep. You only need to recall how poor we were through 2008-2012 despite having the young talent on our list of Boak, Gray, Hartlett, Westhoff (two of whom had already played in a GF under a premiership coach in 2007), a mid tier of Pearce, Salopek, Ebert and Surjan and the promise of young recruits who eventually went unfulfilled under the wrong coaches and club system (Butcher, Moore, Pittard, Lobbe).

Right now as good as our under 23 group looks, it’s no match on talent for the GWS teams that got beaten badly and regularly in their first four years in the system.

 

[Stevros]

Yep. You only need to recall how poor we were through 2008-2012 despite having the young talent on our list of Boak, Gray, Hartlett, Westhoff (two of whom had already played in a GF under a premiership coach in 2007), a mid tier of Pearce, Salopek, Ebert and Surjan and the promise of young recruits who eventually went unfulfilled under the wrong coaches and club system (Butcher, Moore, Pittard, Lobbe).

Right now as good as our under 23 group looks, it’s no match on talent for the GWS teams that got beaten badly and regularly in their first four years in the system.

The difference they had a huge amount of duds as well they had talent but no experience at all
No good ruckman. I don’t think an old Luke power, Setanta ohalpin, Chad cornes and Dean brogan helped get wins in there 1st 4 years yet we have a core with burton, dbj, Houston, Marshall, wines, Powell pepper that will help push with the young ones

 

[PowerForGood]

That team is finishing bottom 4 though.

Today it would. Try taking out the top 10 older players of any club and you’ll find the same.
And with an average age of 22 it should, otherwise it’s an indictment on the competition.
but that group with 3 years experience together (and maybe a different coach and a couple of key defensive talls) would be consistent with the KT quote.

 

[Forzaport]

Average Ages — Round 5, 2020

1. Hawthorn: 27y 314d
2. Geelong: 27y 241d
3. Port: 26y 249d
4. West Coast: 26y 238d
5. Richmond: 26y 236d
6. Collingwood: 26y 115d
7. GWS: 26y 22d
8. North: 26y 13d
9. Carlton: 26y 3d
10. Essendon: 25y 295d
11. Brisbane: 25y 191d
12. Melbourne: 25y 133d
13. Adelaide: 25y 83d
14. Footscray: 24y 257d
15. St Kilda: 24y 253d
16. Freo: 24y 240d
17. Sydney: 24y 128d
18. Gold Coast: 24y 123d

So the only teams older than us last week have shared 7 premierships since we last played in a Qualifying Final.

Bloody kids.

Same info in graph form over the Kerney

 

[tribey]

Same info in graph form over the Kerney

Excellent work.

 

[PowerForGood]

Same info in graph form over the Kerney

Great graph.
Id like to see the same with win % because that's why Kens still here 56 Or 57%

 

[El_Scorcho]

We have a few older guys but they aren’t all gonna retire in the 1 year so it’s not gonna destroy us like everyone is saying. 2 or 3 will retire this year. I think Mitch and Bergman will play a bit this year but can’t rush them when not much game experience they were injured most of last year as well
I think by next year we will have 6 or 7 2nd and 3rd year players in the team

It won't destroy us, but over the next few years as Boak, Gray et al start to dramatically drop off in form or retire, we're going to have to replace them just to continue to tread water. If we want to actually push for a flag, we're going to have to improve significantly on that group.

We're probably a better chance in 2020 than we are in 2021-22-23, because of retirements and decline prior to any of our 1st and 2nd year players getting anywhere near their primes. And I don't think we're a chance at all in 2020 unless something significant changes. Shame for the likes of Boak and Gray, who should probably consider free agencying out to get a flag if they still have a burning desire to win one personally.