#1 Draft picks and their success?

[sydjackson]

draft picks

in 1990 the standout bargain was Hird at 79 or thereabouts. But the first person to get to 100 games played for their team out of those drafted in that year was actually one of the LAST to be drafted, if not actually the last! That must rate as a pretty good pickup for a throw - away draft pick!

Jamie Shanahan - St Kilda

 

[BrisGirl]

Great work, RooBoy 34, appreciate it.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Rooboy 34

1989 - Ashley McIntosh (112)

I thought McIntosh was F/S. The Saints wanted to f/s him

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by Rooboy 34
Number 1 picks over the years
1986 - Martin Leslie (reasonable)
1987 - Richard Lounder (Dud)
1988 - Alex McDonald (Dud)
1989 - Anthony Banik (Dud)
1990 - Stephen Hooper (Dud)
1991 - John Hutton (Dud)
1992 - Drew Banfield (Very good - best so far)
1993 - Darren Gasper (Reasonable to good. I know that Rich people will argue otherwise)
1994 - Jeff White (Very good)
1995 - Clive Waterhouse (Dud)
1996 - Michael Gardiner (Very good)
1997 - Travis Johnstone (Getting better)
1998 - Des Headland (Potential star)
1999 - Josh Fraser (Potential star)
2000 - Nick Riewoldt (Superstar)
2001 - Luke Hodge (Very good)

So the best IMO is Riewoldt.

Bargains

1988 - Chris Grant (105)
1989 - Ashley McIntosh (112)
1989 - Brett Heady (92)
1990 - James Hird (79)
1993 - David King (46)
1994 - Jade Rawlings (94)
1994 - Aaron Hamill (79)
1995 - Brent Harvey (47)
1996 - Brad Scott (85)
1996 - Byron Pickett (67)

Plus others. Apologies to any I have missed...

I wouldn't call Clive a dud. His last full season (two years ago) he kicked over 50 goals and up to that stage had kicked more goals than the year before in every year. Then he got injured.

(I know no one is going to agree with me on this.)

 

[Somefella]

Despite what you lot think, Travis Johnstone will be a superstar. Sure he may seem over-rated at times, but he can turn a game on its head very easily. Next year you will see the full potential of him for sure. 2002 was the only year of his career (hey that rhymes) in which he got a full preseason under his belt. If he does the same this year, you will see a much fitter, stronger player, who WILL win games.
He only played about 9 or so good games this year, and two of those were in the finals. So he still didn't have a GREAT season, brownlow votes don't mean much.

 

[Rooboy 34]

Originally posted by Falchoon


I thought McIntosh was F/S. The Saints wanted to f/s him

Excuse the ignornace - F/S????

 

[Goldenblue]

Originally posted by Rooboy 34


Excuse the ignornace - F/S????

Father & Son....


BTW. Kemp 117, not 118

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by Goldenblue



Father & Son....


BTW. Kemp 117, not 118

I stand corrected, 117 not 118 (it was a long time ago ).

 

[Rob]

Originally posted by funky_monk


I wouldn't call Clive a dud. His last full season (two years ago) he kicked over 50 goals and up to that stage had kicked more goals than the year before in every year. Then he got injured.

(I know no one is going to agree with me on this.)

Certainly harsh to call Clive a dud, particularly seeing as though he was getting better every year. Certainly as good, if not better than some of the other forward crumbers going around like Milne and Phil Matera.

 

[snakebite01]

Originally posted by Somefella
Despite what you lot think, Travis Johnstone will be a superstar. Sure he may seem over-rated at times, but he can turn a game on its head very easily. Next year you will see the full potential of him for sure. 2002 was the only year of his career (hey that rhymes) in which he got a full preseason under his belt. If he does the same this year, you will see a much fitter, stronger player, who WILL win games.
He only played about 9 or so good games this year, and two of those were in the finals. So he still didn't have a GREAT season, brownlow votes don't mean much.

The only problem with Travis Johnstone is that if there's no one else in the mifield playing well for Melbourne, there is no way in hell he is going to play well. He is a damaging player with the ball but relies too heavily IMO on teammates to get it out to him. If he increased his 'hard-ball get' rate considerably and was able to play well when the chips were down consistently then he would be the complete package.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Rob


Certainly harsh to call Clive a dud, particularly seeing as though he was getting better every year. Certainly as good, if not better than some of the other forward crumbers going around like Milne and Phil Matera.

When was Waterhouse a crumbing forward?

 

[marcy8811]

Apart from dud number 1 picks, what about all the number 2's, how many have warranted being number one after the guy in front proved to be a dud??

 

[larrikin]

Originally posted by Falchoon


I thought McIntosh was F/S. The Saints wanted to f/s him

I'm pretty sure it was father/son (the Claremont connection), and the Eagles used their last pick to do it.

 

[Kenny_01]

Originally posted by marcy8811
Apart from dud number 1 picks, what about all the number 2's, how many have warranted being number one after the guy in front proved to be a dud??

Last 5 years (for momory)
1997. Brad Ottens (Johnstone at #1)
1998. Justin Longmuir (Headland at #1)
1999. Paul Hasleby (Fraser at #1)
2000. Justin Kosiztchke (sp?) (Riewoldt at #1)
2001. Luke Ball (Hodge at #1)

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell
God I love watching people say how TJ is over-rated, how his head aint right, how we made a mistake in picking him before Ottens, Croad, Tarrant etc.

Fact - he had twice the year the other three did. We are more than happy with TJ, and with another injury free pre-season under his belt, he will only improve alot more. Just wait till he tears teams apart.

Call him over-rated. We don't care. Melbourne supporters know that his head is right, and he still has alot to improve on. And that's scary for the rest of the competition.

he finally had a good year hmmmmmmmmm it has only taken him 4yrs to repay the faith melb had shown in him.
where as former no1,s and others like judd have made an impact straight away.

and your not questioning where his head was at before this year?

cheers!

 

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Rooboy 34
Number 1 picks over the years
1986 - Martin Leslie (reasonable)
1987 - Richard Lounder (Dud)
1988 - Alex McDonald (Dud)
1989 - Anthony Banik (Dud)
1990 - Stephen Hooper (Dud)
1991 - John Hutton (Dud)
1992 - Drew Banfield (Very good - best so far)
1993 - Darren Gasper (Reasonable to good. I know that Rich people will argue otherwise)
1994 - Jeff White (Very good)
1995 - Clive Waterhouse (Dud)
1996 - Michael Gardiner (Very good)
1997 - Travis Johnstone (Getting better)
1998 - Des Headland (Potential star)
1999 - Josh Fraser (Potential star)
2000 - Nick Riewoldt (Superstar)
2001 - Luke Hodge (Very good)

So the best IMO is Riewoldt.

Only trouble with the no.1 picks is that some of them werent. Like M.Lloyd, picked as the priority when Freo came in and the Dons lost whoever for the chance to take him as the priority 'compensation'.

If he had been in the normal draft Lloyd (94/95?) would have clearly been taken No.1 and is easily the best ever taken thus far with the first selection by any club.

and he shoulda been Hawthorns...

Best bargains have been Hird, Grant, Kemp and McIntosh though I am personally very happy with Dixon, Thompson and Vandenberg all being picked up post 70's.

 

[Bomber Spirit]

Originally posted by Grendel
Only trouble with the no.1 picks is that some of them werent. Like M.Lloyd, picked as the priority when Freo came in and the Dons lost whoever for the chance to take him as the priority 'compensation'.

Essendon gave Freo Todd Ridley, Tony Delaney, Russell Williams and Dale Kickett to get that pick. Kickett was a good pickup for the Dockers, and at his 5th club finally established himself. But the rest never did anything with Freo, so Essendon certainly got the better result out of that trade. But at the time it was considered a huge gamble to trade 4 players for an untried 16 year-old.

 

[Bomber Spirit]

Originally posted by Rooboy 34
Number 1 picks over the years
1986 - Martin Leslie (reasonable)
1987 - Richard Lounder (Dud)
1988 - Alex McDonald (Dud)
1989 - Anthony Banik (Dud)
1990 - Stephen Hooper (Dud)
1991 - John Hutton (Dud)
1992 - Drew Banfield (Very good - best so far)
1993 - Darren Gasper (Reasonable to good. I know that Rich people will argue otherwise)
1994 - Jeff White (Very good)
1995 - Clive Waterhouse (Dud)
1996 - Michael Gardiner (Very good)
1997 - Travis Johnstone (Getting better)
1998 - Des Headland (Potential star)
1999 - Josh Fraser (Potential star)
2000 - Nick Riewoldt (Superstar)
2001 - Luke Hodge (Very good)

So the best IMO is Riewoldt.

Bargains

1988 - Chris Grant (105)
1989 - Ashley McIntosh (112)
1989 - Brett Heady (92)
1990 - James Hird (79)
1993 - David King (46)
1994 - Jade Rawlings (94)
1994 - Aaron Hamill (79)
1995 - Brent Harvey (47)
1996 - Brad Scott (85)
1996 - Byron Pickett (67)

Plus others. Apologies to any I have missed...

There's a clear trend - plenty of dud #1 picks early on, but that doesn't happen so much any more. And lower pick bargains have also dried up.
The talent recognition system is becoming more sophisticated, and on those trends would appear to now be more effective.

 

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Bomber Spirit
Essendon gave Freo Todd Ridley, Tony Delaney, Russell Williams and Dale Kickett to get that pick. Kickett was a good pickup for the Dockers, and at his 5th club finally established himself. But the rest never did anything with Freo, so Essendon certainly got the better result out of that trade. But at the time it was considered a huge gamble to trade 4 players for an untried 16 year-old.

Rubbish. They knew exactly what they were getting and gave up what little they thought they could to do it. The only bloke they had a slight query on at the time was Delaney and he turned out good for them too (by being shocking for the Dockers)!

The Dons knew how good he was alright. They stiffed the Hawks big time.

 

[Rob]

Originally posted by Bomber Spirit
Essendon gave Freo Todd Ridley, Tony Delaney, Russell Williams and Dale Kickett to get that pick. Kickett was a good pickup for the Dockers, and at his 5th club finally established himself. But the rest never did anything with Freo, so Essendon certainly got the better result out of that trade. But at the time it was considered a huge gamble to trade 4 players for an untried 16 year-old.

Incorrect. Essendon received the 16 year old pick because they lost one uncontracted player. It was not a trade, just AFL compensation. It also had nothing to do with which player Essendon lost. It had to do with the ladder position of the club (i.e of the club's that lost uncontracted players, the bottom one got first pick, the 2nd bottom got 2nd pick etc).

 

[Rob]

Originally posted by Zombie


When was Waterhouse a crumbing forward?

I should have been more specific. I didn't mean that Clive was a crumbing forward, just that he was a support forward to the key position players. And a reasonably effective one.

 

[Horace]

Until such time as Johnstone, Headland and Fraser, are at the end or near the end of their careers, there is really no way that anyone can judge them, compared to say Drew Banfield. Banfield has been very good for the Eagles and we are able to say that having seen him perform consistently over a long period.

The other 3 are really only in the early stages of their careers, when inconsistency and lack of maturity, make it difficult to really know just how good they ultimately will be.

In the case of all of these three, I will be very surprised if in 5 to 6 years time, they are not regarded near or in the top echelon.

In my opinion, Fraser, in particular has the potential to be a class act for Colingwood in 2 to 5 years time. The other two will be not far behind.

As for Dean Kemp, well he was a beautiful footballer, one that I always enjoyed watching in action and a pity he had to retire as a result of injuries.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by Bomber Spirit
Essendon gave Freo Todd Ridley, Tony Delaney, Russell Williams and Dale Kickett to get that pick. Kickett was a good pickup for the Dockers, and at his 5th club finally established himself. But the rest never did anything with Freo, so Essendon certainly got the better result out of that trade. But at the time it was considered a huge gamble to trade 4 players for an untried 16 year-old.

A huge gamble? More like they were laughing their heads off at the AFL's stoopid rule. Lloyd was hot, hot property. At the time Carlton were spewing that the father son rule had been so recently changed, denying them Lloyd.

 

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Rob


Incorrect. Essendon received the 16 year old pick because they lost one uncontracted player. It was not a trade, just AFL compensation. It also had nothing to do with which player Essendon lost. It had to do with the ladder position of the club (i.e of the club's that lost uncontracted players, the bottom one got first pick, the 2nd bottom got 2nd pick etc).

Kinda right, kinda wrong. Yes it was only the one player that made them eligible for the 'compensation'. However Freo were not going to take the 'one' player unless they had the others thrown in and the Dons didnt really mind as they knew it to be worth it just to get there hands on Lloyd.

Geez they picked a good year to finish below the Hawks.

 

[myee8]

Originally posted by Bomber Spirit
Essendon gave Freo Todd Ridley, Tony Delaney, Russell Williams and Dale Kickett to get that pick. Kickett was a good pickup for the Dockers, and at his 5th club finally established himself. But the rest never did anything with Freo, so Essendon certainly got the better result out of that trade. But at the time it was considered a huge gamble to trade 4 players for an untried 16 year-old.

Gee and to think Freo could have got Lloyd, along with the likes of McLeod. Now that's missing out! Imagine if they had them now... I also remembered to back then, when Freo were like targeting just about everyone in search of a decent key forward for the team, eg Stuey Loewe.