Player Watch #13 Clayton Oliver - 2018 ALL AUSTRALIAN

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Maybe if we package up him and Brayshaw we could get an early second rounder ... neither of them are playing infallible football at the moment, so clearly they aren't worth persisting with ...
Congratulations on inventing a story line for likes, so you think playing Viney Brayshaw and Oliver together as inside midfielders will be successful going forward?
 

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Congratulations on inventing a story line for likes, so you think playing Viney Brayshaw and Oliver together as inside midfielders will be successful going forward?
Haha, what the hell? A story line for likes? And here I thought it was merely a joke poking fun at some of the over reactions going on.

Well no, because Harmes is first picked in there, but given none of them are playing particularly well right now, they certainly can't at the moment, but I'm not prepared to get rid of the lot of them because they haven't started the season as well as they finished the last one.
 

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Haha, what the hell? A story line for likes? And here I thought it was merely a joke poking fun at some of the over reactions going on.

Well no, because Harmes is first picked in there, but given none of them are playing particularly well right now, they certainly can't at the moment, but I'm not prepared to get rid of the lot of them because they haven't started the season as well as they finished the last one.
What over reactions?
 

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I read someone say they'd be happy to trade Brayshaw because his defensive running has been poor the other day ... so those sorts of overreactions
That's one guy.
Last year our superstar inside mids produced the 2nd best contested ball diff of all time and the 3rd most inside 50s of all time. Its very likely we can't reproduce those numbers again yet we didn't even finish top 4 in the home and away.

You know what's an overreaction? Stats saying definitively Oliver is the worst kick in the AFL and yet people still saying 'he's a beautiful kick'
Or saying he's killing it when his possessions are rushed all the time.

Why do people think we are playing so badly atm? It's because we waste the most inside 50s of any side ever recorded and with an average of 100 disposals a game our chief culprits are Oliver Viney and Brayshaw.
 
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Last year our superstar inside mids produced the 2nd best contested ball diff of all time and the 3rd most inside 50s of all time. Its very likely we can't reproduce those numbers again yet we didn't even finish top 4 in the home and away.

You know what's an overreaction? Stats saying definitively Oliver is the worst kick in the AFL and yet people still saying 'he's a beautiful kick'
Or saying he's killing it when his possessions are rushed all the time.

Why do people think we are playing so badly atm? It's because we waste the most inside 50s of any side ever recorded and with an average of 100 disposals a game our chief culprits are Oliver Viney and Brayshaw.
Our game plan doesn’t help. There is often no space to lead in to with the congestion we create, which leaves all the space behind the last line of defence open for slingshot counter attack which teams score from efficiently.

There are probably multiple reasons why it’s not working as effective as last year.
 

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There is a difference between being a bad kick and a bad decision maker. Oliver suffers more form bad decisions than being technically a bad kick. He always seems to kick long.

Our biggest issue along with poor decision making/kicking inside 50 is ground ball gets inside 50/forward pressure. Not only do we not win the disputed ball inside 50, we don’t apply enough pressure if the opposition has possession. It allows the opposition to very easily and cleanly transition the ball end to end. Couple with some poor two way running/defending from the mids and our backs don’t stand a chance.
 

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That's one guy.
Last year our superstar inside mids produced the 2nd best contested ball diff of all time and the 3rd most inside 50s of all time. Its very likely we can't reproduce those numbers again yet we didn't even finish top 4 in the home and away.

You know what's an overreaction? Stats saying definitively Oliver is the worst kick in the AFL and yet people still saying 'he's a beautiful kick'
Or saying he's killing it when his possessions are rushed all the time.

Why do people think we are playing so badly atm? It's because we waste the most inside 50s of any side ever recorded and with an average of 100 disposals a game our chief culprits are Oliver Viney and Brayshaw.
FFS settle down.

We have options with this midfield, the best of which you have already pointed out.
 

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I don't think we have options at all, we have one option which is win it contested style.
We have theoretical options ala Richmond model - bombing it forward at random could theoretically work if we had a Richmond style small forward crew that will swarm over the ball regardless of the quality of delivery. As you have pointed out, we don’t.

It’s like there is a disconnect between our main coaches, our recruitment and our ‘strategists’ (whatever that is when it’s at home).

We could survive the arse style delivery from our mids if only our forwards were the type to swarm on every ball into the 50 to prevent the turnover and create a forward pressure advantage. Unfortunately we don’t have those players.

Or we could have mids that focus on quality entries to a leading forward finding space. We don’t have that either because the mids aren’t moving the ball forward with any thought or direction, but even if they were **** knows who they direct it to since our forwards are basically not providing any good leads whatsoever. So neither the mids or the forwards get a gold star on this one.

Before trading the whole lot of them, which I admit is a tempting option, I would like to know why the coaching crew haven’t addressed either.
 
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We have theoretical options ala Richmond model - bombing it forward ar random could theoretically work if we had a Richmond style small forward crew that will swarm over the ball regardless of the quality of delivery. As you have pointed out, we don’t.

It’s like there is a disconnect between our main coaches, our recruitment and our ‘strategists’ (whatever that is when it’s at home).

We could survive the arse style delivery from our mids if only our forwards were the type to swarm on every ball into the 50 to prevent the turnover and create a forward pressure advantage. Unfortunately we don’t have those players.

Or we could have mids that focus on quality entries to a leading forward finding space. We don’t have that either because the mids aren’t moving the ball forward with any thought or direction, but even if they were **** knows who they direct it to since our forwards are basically not providing any good leads whatsoever. So neither the mids or the forwards get a gold star on this one.

Before trading the whole lot of them, which I admit is a tempting option, I would like to know why the coaching crew haven’t addressed either.
Fair enough agree with that
 
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