1997 grand final

crownie · Sep 7, 2005

watching the game a few days ago i notcied one thing thats changed from this game to today is that no players were carrying on and remanstrating after every free kick, they just got on with the game.

also the umps let a lot of marking contests that could of gone either away alone and let it flow a bit more.

FastnetRock · Sep 7, 2005

crownie said:
watching the game a few days ago i notcied one thing thats changed from this game to today is that no players were carrying on and remanstrating after every free kick, they just got on with the game.

also the umps let a lot of marking contests that could of gone either away alone and let it flow a bit more.

I didn't even realise there was a GF in '97. Must have fallen asleep for that one.....

crownie · Sep 7, 2005

hehe sorry to bring up old demons,

i guess its always a what if the bulldogs made it who would of won?

A gift from above · Sep 7, 2005

good point, no-where near as much flooding either. lots of one on one contests. Thats life though.

The_Eagles · Sep 7, 2005

so when did 'flooding' come into the game alot....like 2000?

tommy_as_ice · Sep 7, 2005

ManWithNoName · Sep 7, 2005

The_Eagles said:
so when did 'flooding' come into the game alot....like 2000?

Rd 21 2000. Bastard Bulldogs used it to ruin our unbeaten run.

Assholes. Its ruined the game!

Ricketts · Sep 7, 2005

crownie said:
also the umps let a lot of marking contests that could of gone either away alone and let it flow a bit more.

That's the reason that umpires these days are fools that just want to be "part of the party."

Minkus_Swan · Sep 7, 2005

Jarryd_S said:
Rd 21 2000. Bastard Bulldogs used it to ruin our unbeaten run.

Assholes. Its ruined the game!

I think history tells us that former swans' coach Rocket Eade invented it and used it to help get the swans to the grand final in 1996.

The tactic was used very sparingly and we were the only team that used it that year.

Sydney Crow · Sep 7, 2005

There's just so many calls that the umps make now.

Slapping the arms, eyes for the ball etc.

Maybe they didn't complain so much because there wasn't so many damn frees then. Let the bloody game run and stop being so pedantic!!!

West Coast Fan 123 · Sep 7, 2005

Watch the 92 GF, I doubt they payed 1 free kick the whole game. Ablett elbows Pyke in the face in the first 2 minutes and Pyke didn't even get a free. In fact they kept the play going for a throw in and a bounce with Pyke lying on the ground right near the thickof the action

scout · Sep 7, 2005

The umpiring style generally has changed a lot. Used to be the umps would let the game flow, very noticeably in tight games. Now it seems that the umps are under a lot of pressure to blow the whistle for any infringement they see, and ignore the overall flow of the game.

Could be that television has exaggerated any missed frees and now the umps can't be so flexible.

Lonie_from_50 · Sep 7, 2005

Love the 1997 Grand Final. Became an Adelaide fan the week before the GF (and have liked them as m favourite other than the Pies, since.) The Aussie Jones goal was the highlight, and I would have my money on seeing both the teams out there on the final Saturday of September this year.

stmookeyj · Sep 7, 2005

Jarryd_S said:
Rd 21 2000. Bastard Bulldogs used it to ruin our unbeaten run.

Assholes. Its ruined the game!

Still jealous are we?

JeffDunne · Sep 7, 2005

The thing I remember most about the '97 GF was sharing a smoke with the president at half time in the back of the Southern Stand - INSIDE the ground!

I also remember how nervous he was and that he didn't have his own cigarettes!

Yeah I know - you don't smoke.

MOJOE · Sep 7, 2005

stmookeyj said:
Still jealous are we?

Like it mattered...

Joffaboy · Sep 7, 2005

Jarryd_S said:
Rd 21 2000. Bastard Bulldogs used it to ruin our unbeaten run.

Assholes. Its ruined the game!

Sheedy 1991 at Moorabin. Dropped two men free inside 50 and then counterattacked.

Popularised by Eade in Sydney, perfected by Wallace in 2000, and was Demonised when Thomas used it in 2002 9ironically enough for the same reason as Sheedy - a host of injuries).

MOJOE · Sep 7, 2005

Joffaboy said:
Sheedy 1991 at Moorabin. Dropped two men free inside 50 and then counterattacked.

And how many did Plugger get that day?

evertonfc · Sep 8, 2005

JeffDunne said:
The thing I remember most about the '97 GF was sharing a smoke with the president at half time in the back of the Southern Stand - INSIDE the ground!

I also remember how nervous he was and that he didn't have his own cigarettes!

Yeah I know - you don't smoke.

Smoked like a chimney did Andrew.

The rest of the day I remember vividly. It ain't no blur to me.

I would like Adelaide to get through to the GF so we can take out proper vengeance.

James23 · Sep 8, 2005

evertonfc said:
Smoked like a chimney did Andrew.

The rest of the day I remember vividly. It ain't no blur to me.

I would like Adelaide to get through to the GF so we can take out proper vengeance.

heh that would be great having saints in the grand final again

i can imagine it now.. mcleod starting on a half back flank.. is introduced into the midfield after half time and takes out his third norm smith!!!

Monkster · Sep 8, 2005

MOJOE said:
Like it mattered...

apparantly it did to some people.....

Jarryd_S said:
Rd 21 2000. Bastard Bulldogs used it to ruin our unbeaten run.

Assholes. Its ruined the game!

Mountain West · Sep 8, 2005

Jarryd_S said:
Rd 21 2000. Bastard Bulldogs used it to ruin our unbeaten run.

Assholes. Its ruined the game!

It's been 5 years, no big deal. That year, we got something that counts the most.

MaccasNeighbour · Sep 8, 2005

Anyone know of any stats comparing the number and types of frees given now to say 10 years ago?

answerman · Sep 8, 2005

otis_david said:
Watch the 92 GF, I doubt they payed 1 free kick the whole game. Ablett elbows Pyke in the face in the first 2 minutes and Pyke didn't even get a free. In fact they kept the play going for a throw in and a bounce with Pyke lying on the ground right near the thickof the action

It's strange because when it happened (I was watching on TV in Sydney at the time) I thought Ablett might have a free paid against him but the umpires said 'Play on'. After the game I remember reading a match review and an umpire who was on the senior panel but was watching from the stands near the boundary line that day claimed that it happened right in front of him and he thought there was nothing wrong with it. I must confess, I was a little surprised. I'm sorry, I can't remember which umpire.

As for '97, I think Blight had trained the Crows players to not react to opposition players attempts to sledge and distract them. Perhaps this also helped them to focus on the game and not dispute umpire decisions?

Joffaboy · Sep 8, 2005

MOJOE said:
And how many did Plugger get that day?

Exactly.

thast was the reason for doing it (plus the fact the dons were down on personnel).

So flooding has been around for many a long year. Probably happened before that particular game as well, but Sheedy had his team use that tactic all day.

Pretty logical I suppose when the Saints game plan was "Kick it to Lockett" for about 10 years.

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