Draft Review 2005 - Redo the 2005 Draft

[The Joker]

Yeah but the Roos have been better than Essendon in the last 10 years. Agree - if it was a top 5 at the Hawks or Cats but Ryder has 1 top 5 finish in teams that have never won a final.

Ryder is more talented but wastes it IMO. I know who I would prefer.

It's still unfair, being a KPF/Ruck is on of the hardest and most demanding positions to play in the game imo. His team may not be anywhere near Norths but they still had some high quality players at the top he had to compete with.

It's not as if I said there was daylight between any of them.

This is also not the 2003 draft

That's not the point, it was that Swallow has won more BnFs yet not as good as Mundy...

Hmmm....

I agree that Swallow is a very good player, and that is his ceiling - but Mundy? Would probably put him in the same basket.

Have you seen Mundy play much?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Murphy is underrated and a very classy player. He just doesn't have the body to play as the number #1 midfielder. Teams block his runs deliberately and effectively. It's easy to say, but he'd be much better in a better side.

Swallow is a real hard at it battler, a better leader and much tougher than Murphy, but hasn't got the class that Murphy has.

I know which of the two I'd want to lead a club, and the other I'd rather have at Hawthorn right now. Horses for courses really.

Pretty spot on - i think Murphy will prove a lot of people wrong this year with Gubbs and Thomas at full health and Cripps growing even more. Theyll take the pressure off him exactly as you said.
Murphy is definitely the most successful number 1 pick in recent years.

 

[Jade]

Have you seen Mundy play much?

Why is it that any time a player from WA is criticised, even politely, the first response is to infer that Victorians haven't seen him play.

FFS man we live in an age of nine live games. I see Freo/West Coast as much as every other team.

 

[Jade]

Pretty spot on - i think Murphy will prove a lot of people wrong this year with Gubbs and Thomas at full health and Cripps growing even more. Theyll take the pressure off him exactly as you said.
Murphy is definitely the most successful number 1 pick in recent years.

The most.... he is..... huh?

Brett Deledio, the year before, shits all over him.

Adam Cooney, the year before that, has a Brownlow.

Brendon Goddard, the year before that, a much better player.

Luke Hodge, the year before that, is basically ****ing Jesus to Hawthorn fans (and rightfully so).

Nick Riewoldt the year before that.....

You have to be ****ing yanking me.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The most.... he is..... huh?

Brett Deledio, the year before, shits all over him.

Adam Cooney, the year before that, has a Brownlow.

Brendon Goddard, the year before that, a much better player.

Luke Hodge, the year before that, is basically ******* Jesus to Hawthorn fans (and rightfully so).

Nick Riewoldt the year before that.....

You have to be ******* yanking me.

I was talking about recent. As in the last years up until and including Murphy.

 

[The Joker]

Why is it that any time a player from WA is criticised, even politely, the first response is to infer that Victorians haven't seen him play.

FFS man we live in an age of nine live games. I see Freo/West Coast as much as every other team.

That short little comment ruffle your feathers that much peacock? Mundy would be the best player on Essendon's 75 man squad, that's not really saying much though...

 

[Jade]

That short little comment ruffle your feathers that much peacock? Mundy would be the best player on Essendon's 75 man squad, that's not really saying much though...

Including the suspended, Essendon has at least four players better than Mundy, and another five or so that from list management perspective are more important.

 

[Heaps of fun]

I was talking about recent. As in the last years up until and including Murphy.

Not much competition since the preceding four were drafted by Melbourne and Carlton and the next 6 are all years off their prime.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The most.... he is..... huh?

Brett Deledio, the year before, shits all over him.

Adam Cooney, the year before that, has a Brownlow.

Brendon Goddard, the year before that, a much better player.

Luke Hodge, the year before that, is basically ******* Jesus to Hawthorn fans (and rightfully so).

Nick Riewoldt the year before that.....

You have to be ******* yanking me.

I was also obviously not comparing players directly, as we are talking about drafts, obviously you can't compare one player to a player available in another year. I was suggesting that Murphy was the best value for money in recent years. I.e his rough talent level, about third best in his class is quite solid considering recent number ones like Jack Watts.

Take a look over the years. The number one picks have fallen roughly as such

2005
1. Pendlebury
2. Kennedy
3. Murphy (No.1)

2006
1. Joel Selwood
2. Travis Boak
3. Jack Riewoldt
4. Bryce Gibbs (No.1)

2007
1. Patrick Dangerfield
2. Harry Taylor
3. Trent Cotchin
4. Cyril Rioli
5. Jack Steven
6. Chris Masten
7. Matthew Kreuzer (No.1)

2008
1. Dayne Beams
2. Daniel Hannebery
3. Rory Sloane
4. Steele Sidebottom
5. Michael Hurley
6. Stephen Hill
7. Phil Davis
8. Nic Naitanui
9. Hamish HArtlett
10. Jack Ziebell
11. Chris Yarran
who knows?? Jack Watts (No.1)

2009
1. Nat Fyfe
2. Dustin Martin
3. Jake Carlilse
4. Sam Reid
5. Ryan Bastinac
Tom Scully??? (No.1)

Etc etc, and so on and so on. I was just suggesting for a number one pick Murphy has been quite a success.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Not much competition since the preceding four were drafted by Melbourne and Carlton and the next 6 are all years off their prime.

Yeah but some players are clearly better than Patton, Boyd, Swallow, Scully, Whitfield etc. I'd bank that Murphy is better value in his class than all those players will end up being. Also with Roughead and Franklin and Lewis all in Deledio's draft year he's actually slight les value than Murphy (or the same if you consider him better than Lewis) and Cooney is roughly the same with David Mundy and Beau Waters having some decent claims over Cooney for first pick.

Hodge and Nick are definitely great value at number one and the closest we've seen to being an actual true best kid in the draft in the last twenty years. Reiwoldt probably being such and Hodge only behind Judd.

 

[Masqualero]

Yeah but some players are clearly better than Patton, Boyd, Swallow, Scully, Whitfield etc. I'd bank that Murphy is better value in his class than all those players will end up being. Also with Roughead and Franklin and Lewis all in Deledio's draft year he's actually slight les value than Murphy (or the same if you consider him better than Lewis) and Cooney is roughly the same with David Mundy and Beau Waters having some decent claims over Cooney for first pick.

Hodge and Nick are definitely great value at number one and the closest we've seen to being an actual true best kid in the draft in the last twenty years. Reiwoldt probably being such and Hodge only behind Judd.

Ummm wasn't Ablett Jnr. and Bartel in that draft? Both better players, Mitchell as well if he was in that draft.

 

[The Joker]

Including the suspended, Essendon has at least four players better than Mundy, and another five or so that from list management perspective are more important.

Im sure there is, here have a

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Ummm wasn't Ablett Jnr. and Bartel in that draft? Both better players, Mitchell as well if he was in that draft.

Which draft year is that sorry?

Obviously Ablett doesnt count but yes Mitchell and Bartel should be somewhere in there.

 

[Masqualero]

The most.... he is..... huh?

Brett Deledio, the year before, shits all over him.

Adam Cooney, the year before that, has a Brownlow.

Brendon Goddard, the year before that, a much better player.

Luke Hodge, the year before that, is basically ******* Jesus to Hawthorn fans (and rightfully so).

Nick Riewoldt the year before that.....

You have to be ******* yanking me.

Goddard's not as good.
Deledio (see above)
I would give you Cooney, then he got OP and was nowhere near as good.
I'll give you Roo and the good bloke.

 

[Wild Bill]

Hmmm....

I agree that Swallow is a very good player, and that is his ceiling - but Mundy? Would probably put him in the same basket.

I would have Mundy in front of him. Better over head and kicks the ball better. He is not miles in front however.

 

[Masqualero]

Which draft year is that sorry?

Obviously Ablett doesnt count but yes Mitchell and Bartel should be somewhere in there.

01 wasn't it... So Mitchell, Bartel and judd ahead. I think I might be missing a couple.

 

[Masqualero]

Which draft year is that sorry?

Obviously Ablett doesnt count but yes Mitchell and Bartel should be somewhere in there.

Swan and Dal Santo also.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

What someone should really do, is get Mod approval, set up a new thread and have a group vote and go through the draft properly and individually.

I.e have a poll that changes every day and vote on the top 15 of each draft. So day 1 is pick one, then take that player out and get everyone to vote for pick two the next day and so on. Then have an "offical" big footy group redraft.

Then you could compare players across years and figure out where the best value is abd where the biggest busts were and which years are really deep and which are shallow on a lot more empirical basis with less fighting and moaning.

Someone get a mod onto that.

 

[eth-dog]

Goddard's not as good.
Deledio (see above)
I would give you Cooney, then he got OP and was nowhere near as good.
I'll give you Roo and the good bloke.

Wow. That's some serious delusion.

 

[Wild Bill]

I was also obviously not comparing players directly, as we are talking about drafts, obviously you can't compare one player to a player available in another year. I was suggesting that Murphy was the best value for money in recent years. I.e his rough talent level, about third best in his class is quite solid considering recent number ones like Jack Watts.

Take a look over the years. The number one picks have fallen roughly as such

2005
1. Pendlebury
2. Kennedy
3. Murphy (No.1)

2006
1. Joel Selwood
2. Travis Boak
3. Jack Riewoldt
4. Bryce Gibbs (No.1)

2007
1. Patrick Dangerfield
2. Harry Taylor
3. Trent Cotchin
4. Cyril Rioli
5. Jack Steven
6. Chris Masten
7. Matthew Kreuzer (No.1)

2008
1. Dayne Beams
2. Daniel Hannebery
3. Rory Sloane
4. Steele Sidebottom
5. Michael Hurley
6. Stephen Hill
7. Phil Davis
8. Nic Naitanui
9. Hamish HArtlett
10. Jack Ziebell
11. Chris Yarran
who knows?? Jack Watts (No.1)

2009
1. Nat Fyfe
2. Dustin Martin
3. Jake Carlilse
4. Sam Reid
5. Ryan Bastinac
Tom Scully??? (No.1)

Etc etc, and so on and so on. I was just suggesting for a number one pick Murphy has been quite a success.

Hang on a 2nd - have you just rated Kreuzer over Rance, Ward, Hooker, Ebert, Thompson, Wood and Tex???

 

[Jade]

Hang on a 2nd - have you just rated Kreuzer over Rance, Ward, Hooker, Ebert, Thompson, Wood and Tex???

This thread....

It's a good un

 

[Wild Bill]

This thread....

It's a good un

Kreuzer is in the mix with Robbie Tarrent and David Myers. Potential with lots of injuries but no where near top 10 of the draft year.

 

[Jade]

Kreuzer is in the mix with Robbie Tarrent and David Myers. Potential with lots of injuries but no where near top 10 of the draft year.

Agreed.

This thread has the dumb.

Marc Murphy is the best of the 'recent' number one draftees (drafted in 2005).

But 2004 doesn't count. Or 2003......

And Mundy is not only substantially better than Swallow, but every Essendon player.

And of course, Vics have never seen a WA player play.

It's like BigFooty Idiocracy.

 

[MightyDons4]

I was also obviously not comparing players directly, as we are talking about drafts, obviously you can't compare one player to a player available in another year. I was suggesting that Murphy was the best value for money in recent years. I.e his rough talent level, about third best in his class is quite solid considering recent number ones like Jack Watts.

Take a look over the years. The number one picks have fallen roughly as such

2005
1. Pendlebury
2. Kennedy
3. Murphy (No.1)

2006
1. Joel Selwood
2. Travis Boak
3. Jack Riewoldt
4. Bryce Gibbs (No.1)

2007
1. Patrick Dangerfield
2. Harry Taylor
3. Trent Cotchin
4. Cyril Rioli
5. Jack Steven
6. Chris Masten
7. Matthew Kreuzer (No.1)

2008
1. Dayne Beams
2. Daniel Hannebery
3. Rory Sloane
4. Steele Sidebottom
5. Michael Hurley
6. Stephen Hill
7. Phil Davis
8. Nic Naitanui
9. Hamish HArtlett
10. Jack Ziebell
11. Chris Yarran
who knows?? Jack Watts (No.1)

2009
1. Nat Fyfe
2. Dustin Martin
3. Jake Carlilse
4. Sam Reid
5. Ryan Bastinac
Tom Scully??? (No.1)

Etc etc, and so on and so on. I was just suggesting for a number one pick Murphy has been quite a success.

I would take all of Robbie Gray, Josh Kennedy, Tom Hawkins, Todd Goldstein and Kurt Tippett over Bryce Gibbs. So he's the 9th best available (7th if you discount f/s) best player from that draft. Murphy is about right, whilst Kreuzer is ridiculously overrated.

 

[Jade]

I was also obviously not comparing players directly, as we are talking about drafts, obviously you can't compare one player to a player available in another year. I was suggesting that Murphy was the best value for money in recent years. I.e his rough talent level, about third best in his class is quite solid considering recent number ones like Jack Watts.

Take a look over the years. The number one picks have fallen roughly as such

2005
1. Pendlebury
2. Kennedy
3. Murphy (No.1)

2006
1. Joel Selwood
2. Travis Boak
3. Jack Riewoldt
4. Bryce Gibbs (No.1)

2007
1. Patrick Dangerfield
2. Harry Taylor
3. Trent Cotchin
4. Cyril Rioli
5. Jack Steven
6. Chris Masten
7. Matthew Kreuzer (No.1)

2008
1. Dayne Beams
2. Daniel Hannebery
3. Rory Sloane
4. Steele Sidebottom
5. Michael Hurley
6. Stephen Hill
7. Phil Davis
8. Nic Naitanui
9. Hamish HArtlett
10. Jack Ziebell
11. Chris Yarran
who knows?? Jack Watts (No.1)

2009
1. Nat Fyfe
2. Dustin Martin
3. Jake Carlilse
4. Sam Reid
5. Ryan Bastinac
Tom Scully??? (No.1)

Etc etc, and so on and so on. I was just suggesting for a number one pick Murphy has been quite a success.

This is.... terrible.