Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[mufassa]

Being named in the bests is simply one persons opinion, no idea why you value it highly. Bellchambers beat Maric, Jacobs, Goldstein and Kreuzer as a sole ruck, whether he was named in the best in an article which shows the views of one person is not much evidence.

Jacobs - 13 disposals, 6 marks, 40 hit outs - 99 dream team points
Belly - 8 disposals, 2 marks, 46 hitouts - 81 dream team points

Jacobs got handed a lesson!!

2 marks..........

 

[mufassa]

Being named in the bests is simply one persons opinion, no idea why you value it highly. Bellchambers beat Maric, Jacobs, Goldstein and Kreuzer as a sole ruck, whether he was named in the best in an article which shows the views of one person is not much evidence.

Maric - 19 dispoals, 7 marks, 5 clerances, 17 hit outs, 94 dream team points
Belly - 11 disposals, 3 marks, 1 clearance, 26 hit outs, 69 dream team points

You guys are in laa laa land. Beat Maric.

 

[mufassa]

Anyway enough of this rubbish on an average ruckman - lets have a look at the correct order of the 2007 draft:

1) Cotchin
2) Dangefield
3) Walker
4) Rioli
5) Taylor
6) Ward
7) Kreuzer
8) S Selwood
9) Ebert
10) Grimes
11) Thompson
12) Rance
13) Maston
14) McEvoy
15)Mayne

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Maric may have been better around the ground but Bellchambers beat him easily in the ruck.

 

[stormee]

Not top 10, but I'd definitely have him in the top 20. Very handy player.

Yeah he's handy but never going to be elite, good 3rd forward option. But yeah as I said, 11-20 category, not top 10.

 

[Astro Bomber]

David Myers will back in the top 10 after the end of 2013

 

[Browne Eye]

You are assuming Bellchambers does not go backward.

Ryder is 12-15 best ruckman in the AFL. Do you have him is the top 3?

It's true, he could. In the scenario he goes forward he may surpass Goldy.
Absolutely don't rate Ryder top 3. A little bit irrelevant because I don't rate Goldy anywhere near there. Frustrating, however, because Ryder has potential to be No. 1. Just a lazy pr!ck at times.

 

[Browne Eye]

David Myers will back in the top 10 after the end of 2013

Yes.

 

[dean33]

I went to a richmond recruiting night about a week before the 2007 draft, where all the recruiting staff go through players they are looking at picking up and profile the likely candidates.

Cotchin was always going to be the pick however the other player they were seriously looking at was cale morton... i shudder to think if we went morton instead..

 

[mufassa]

I went to a richmond recruiting night about a week before the 2007 draft, where all the recruiting staff go through players they are looking at picking up and profile the likely candidates.

Cotchin was always going to be the pick however the other player they were seriously looking at was cale morton... i shudder to think if we went morton instead..

Tambling over Buddy, Fiora over Pav and Morton over Cotchin. Wow - that could have been so cruel.

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

Tambling over Buddy, Fiora over Pav and Morton over Cotchin. Wow - that could have been so cruel.

Oh I would have driven to the west gate a long time ago

 

[Tas]

To be fair to Richmond, Pav was a real porker as a kid and Tambling was highly rated. That is the flip side with high picks, you have the weight of expectation to make the best choice, clubs with lesser picks can take the risks or get sliders and often do better.

 

[iBeng]

To be fair to Richmond, Pav was a real porker as a kid and Tambling was highly rated. That is the flip side with high picks, you have the weight of expectation to make the best choice, clubs with lesser picks can take the risks or get sliders and often do better.

I see what you did there.

 

[Chewy]

Summary of 2007 draft class (5 years on...)


Club Captains:
Trent Cotchin
Callan Ward
Jack Grimes


Premiership players:
Harry Taylor - 2009, 2011
Cyril Rioli - 2008
Stuart Dew - 2008
Craig Bird - 2012
Shane Mumford - 2012


All Australians:
Trent Cotchin - 2012
Patrick Dangerfield - 2012
Cyril Rioli - 2012
Harry Taylor - 2010


Best and Fairest winners:
Trent Cotchin - 2011, 2012
Scott Selwood - 2012
Callan Ward - 2012


Best and Fairest runners up:
Scott Thompson - 2009, 2012
Patrick Dangerfield - 2012
Chris Mayne - 2012
Jack Grimes - 2012
Brad Ebert - 2012
Shane Mumford - 2010
Cyril Rioli - 2009



Number of times polled Brownlow votes:
21 Trent Cotchin , 46 votes
14 Patrick Dangerfield , 32 votes
12 Cyril Rioli , 23 votes
7 Scott Selwood , 15
7 Callan Ward , 11
7 Shane Mumford , 11
6 Taylor Walker , 9
5 Harry Taylor , 11
5 Scott Thompson , 11
5 Brad Ebert , 10
5 Matthew Kreuzer , 9
4 Jack Grimes , 9
4 Chris Masten , 8
4 Rhys Palmer , 7
3 Levi Greenwood , 6
3 Pierce Hanley , 4
3 Jack Steven , 3
2 Cale Morton , 4
2 Kepler Bradley , 4
2 Tom Bellchambers , 4
2 Andy Otten , 3
2 Chris Mayne , 3
1 Jarrad Grant , 3
1 Alex Rance , 3
1 Jared Petrenko , 3
1 Lachlan Henderson , 2
1 Brendan Whitecross , 2
1 Bradd Dalziell , 2
1 David Ellard , 2
1 David Myers , 1
1 Ben McEvoy , 1
1 Stuart Dew , 1
1 Craig Bird , 1


Played 50+ games:
112 Harry Taylor , Pick 17
105 Cyril Rioli , Pick 12
92 Scott Selwood , Pick 22
88 Matthew Kreuzer , Pick 1
86 Trent Cotchin , Pick 2
86 Patrick Dangerfield , Pick 10
86 Brad Ebert , Pick 13
85 Craig Bird , Pick 59
81 Chris Mayne , Pick 40
81 Dennis Armfield , Pick 46
80 Callan Ward , Pick 19
78 Chris Masten , Pick 3
78 Shane Mumford , Rookie
77 Scott Thompson , Pick 37
72 Brendan Whitecross , Pick 29
69 Cale Morton , Pick 4
69 Aaron Joseph , Rookie
68 Rhys Palmer , Pick 7
66 Alex Rance , Pick 18
66 Cale Hooker , Pick 54
64 Taylor Walker , NSW
64 Patrick McGinnity , PSD
63 Kepler Bradley , Pick 69
61 James Polkinghorne , Pick 41
60 Lachlan Henderson , Pick 8
58 Ben McEvoy , Pick 9
57 Tayte Pears , Pick 23
55 Nathan Grima , Rookie
52 Stefan Martin , PSD
52 Pierce Hanley , Rookie
51 Jack Steven , Pick 42
49 Jarrad Grant , Pick 5
49 Jack Grimes , Pick 14



Best and Fairest Top 10 placings:

Pick | Name | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012
\ 1 | Matthew Kreuzer | - | - | - | - | 10th
\ 2 | Trent Cotchin | - | - | 7th | 1st | 1st
\ 3 | Chris Masten | - | - | - | - | 7th
\ 4 | Cale Morton | - | 10th | - | - | -
\ 5 | Jarrad Grant | - | - | - | - | -
\ 6 | David Myers | - | - | - | - | -
\ 7 | Rhys Palmer | 4th | - | - | - | -
\ 8 | Lachlan Henderson | - | - | - | - | -
\ 9 | Ben McEvoy | - | - | - | - | -
\ 10 | Patrick Dangerfield | - | - | - | 5th | 2nd
\ 11 | Patrick Veszpremi | - | - | - | - | -
\ 12 | Cyril Rioli | 6th | 2nd | 4th | 8th | 6th
\ 13 | Brad Ebert | - | - | 9th | - | 2nd
\ 14 | Jack Grimes | - | - | - | - | 2nd
\ 15 | Robbie Tarrant | - | - | - | - | -
\ 16 | Matthew Lobbe | - | - | - | - | -
\ 17 | Harry Taylor | - | - | - | 10th | 4th
\ 18 | Alex Rance | - | - | - | 6th | 6th
\ 19 | Callan Ward | - | - | - | 4th | 1st
\ 20 | Tony Notte | - | - | - | - | -
\ 21 | Addam Maric | - | - | - | - | -
\ 22 | Scott Selwood | - | - | 10th | 10th | 1st
\ 23 | Tayte Pears | - | 6th | - | - | -
\ 27 | Andy Otten | - | - | - | - | -
\ 29 | Brendan Whitecross | - | - | - | - | -
\ 32 | Levi Greenwood | - | - | 8th | - | -
\ 35 | Sam Reid | - | - | - | - | -
\ 37 | Scott Thompson | - | 2nd | - | 10th | 2nd
\ 40 | Chris Mayne | - | - | - | 10th | 2nd
\ 41 | James Polkinghorne | - | - | - | - | -
\ 42 | Jack Steven | - | - | - | - | 10th
\ 43 | Easton Wood | - | - | - | - | -
\ 45 | Stuart Dew | - | - | | |
\ 46 | Dennis Armfield | - | - | - | - | -
\ 52 | Bradd Dalziell | - | - | - | - | -
\ 53 | Kyle Cheney | - | - | - | - | -
\ 54 | Cale Hooker | - | - | - | - | -
\ 59 | Craig Bird | - | - | - | - | 9th
\ 69 | Kepler Bradley | - | - | - | - | -
\ 75 | Taylor Walker | - | - | - | - | 5th
\ P | Tom Bellchambers | - | - | - | - | -
\ P | Stefan Martin | - | - | - | 8th | -
\ P | Patrick McGinnity | - | - | - | - | -
\ R | Jared Petrenko | - | - | - | - | -
\ R | Pierce Hanley | - | - | - | 4th | 3rd
\ R | Aaron Joseph | - | 10th | 10th | - | -
\ R | David Ellard | - | - | - | - | -
\ R | Ed Curnow | - | - | - | - | -
\ R | Shane Mumford | - | - | 2nd | 8th | -
\ R | Jeremy Laidler | - | - | - | - | -
\ R | Nathan Grima | - | - | 7th | - | -
\ R | Nick Salter | - | - | - | - | -

 

[Quinz]

Nice work Chewy, just add Scott Selwood to that list of B&F winners.

 

[Chewy]

Nice work Chewy, just add Scott Selwood to that list of B&F winners.

Cheers, I knew left something out...

Interesting that many folks have Cyril Rioli as their 5th or 6th pick. Some even have him at 9th or 10th. His record stacks up as good as any from the 2007 draft, but apparently he is "overrated" and "inconsistent". . There is a school of thought that he may have peaked already. I don't think so. He has never quite had the body (hamstrings) right. I think his best is yet to come.

People have graded Kreuzer harshly (based on his production from 2008-2012) but they elevate players ahead of Rioli who've achieved less. If we're ignoring the "runs on the board" and still judging players by their upside, then you'd be crazy to leave Kreuzer outside your top 7 or 8.

There are 4 (maybe 5) match-winners in the 2007 draft class: Cotchin, Dangerfield, Rioli and Walker. Kreuzer has shown he can grab a gam by the scruff of the neck, but only fleetingly.


My top 20 revisited...

1. Cotchin
2. Dangerfield
3. Rioli
4. Walker
5. Kreuzer
6. Selwood
7. Mumford
8. Taylor
9. Ward
10. Henderson
11. McEvoy
12. Rance
13. Grimes
14. Thompson
15. Ebert
16. Masten
17. Mayne
18. Hanley
19. Grant (12 months ago, I would've had him 10 spots higher)
20. Whitecross

 

[mufassa]

Cheers, I knew left something out...

Interesting that many folks have Cyril Rioli as their 5th or 6th pick. Some even have him at 9th or 10th. His record stacks up as good as any from the 2007 draft, but apparently he is "overrated" and "inconsistent". . There is a school of thought that he may have peaked already. I don't think so. He has never quite had the body (hamstrings) right. I think his best is yet to come.

People have graded Kreuzer harshly (based on his production from 2008-2012) but they elevate players ahead of Rioli who've achieved less. If we're ignoring the "runs on the board" and still judging players by their upside, then you'd be crazy to leave Kreuzer outside your top 7 or 8.

There are 4 (maybe 5) match-winners in the 2007 draft class: Cotchin, Dangerfield, Rioli and Walker. Kreuzer has shown he can grab a gam by the scruff of the neck, but only fleetingly.


My top 20 revisited...

1. Cotchin
2. Dangerfield
3. Rioli
4. Walker
5. Kreuzer
6. Selwood
7. Mumford
8. Taylor
9. Ward
10. Henderson
11. McEvoy
12. Rance
13. Grimes
14. Thompson
15. Ebert
16. Masten
17. Mayne
18. Hanley
19. Grant (12 months ago, I would've had him 10 spots higher)
20. Whitecross

I also think Rioli is judged too harsh. He is a fantastic talent and your B&f results reflect this. So how do you rate Henderson above Thompson. Thompson has 2 runners up and Henderson has never made a top 10. Thompson was incredibly stiff not to make the AA squad and he is now a very good back men.

 

[Chewy]

I also think Rioli is judged too harsh. He is a fantastic talent and your B&f results reflect this. So how do you rate Henderson above Thompson. Thompson has 2 runners up and Henderson has never made a top 10. Thompson was incredibly stiff not to make the AA squad and he is now a very good back men.

Henderson has had the tougher initiation into the AFL. Expected to fill in for the injured J Brown at Brisbane and then seen as Fevola's logical replacement at Carlton. He has only really settled into the key defensive post over the past 2 seasons (and then he got injured.)

Maybe I'm overrating Henderson slightly, but I think he has shown he will develop into one of the top backs in the AFL. His good games have been great. I like his style.

Thompson has been more settled down back and probably done more in his first 5 seasons, but I'd prefer to have Henderson in my team. He is just taking a little bit longer.

 

[Artaxx]

Jarrad Grant won't be on an AFL list next year. He is terrible.
It's 5 years ago, so the club who has had the most games played by the 2007 draft group won the draft.

 

[swansfan51]

Has any club ever had a worse draft than Sydney 2007? Here's every live selection, not including Bird as an academy player:

Pat Veszpremi - 11 games, traded
Brett Meredith - 16 games, delisted
Matthew O'Dwyer - 7 games, delisted
Brendan Murphy - 0 games, delisted
Jake Orreal - 0 games, delisted
Matthew Beckmans - 0 games, delisted
Aaron Bruce - 0 games, delisted
Dean Terlich - 0 games, delisted

 

[Slattery_20]

Jarrad Grant won't be on an AFL list next year. He is terrible.
It's 5 years ago, so the club who has had the most games played by the 2007 draft group won the draft.

WCE it is - from Adelaide

 

[Ed D]

Has any club ever had a worse draft than Sydney 2007? Here's every live selection, not including Bird as an academy player:

Pat Veszpremi - 11 games, traded
Brett Meredith - 16 games, delisted
Matthew O'Dwyer - 7 games, delisted
Brendan Murphy - 0 games, delisted
Jake Orreal - 0 games, delisted
Matthew Beckmans - 0 games, delisted
Aaron Bruce - 0 games, delisted
Dean Terlich - 0 games, delisted

Yeah the 2007 draft was one that Collingwood got pretty much nothing out of. Traded the first pick for Cam Wood, got John McCarthy, that's about it.

 

[mufassa]

Has any club ever had a worse draft than Sydney 2007? Here's every live selection, not including Bird as an academy player:

Pat Veszpremi - 11 games, traded
Brett Meredith - 16 games, delisted
Matthew O'Dwyer - 7 games, delisted
Brendan Murphy - 0 games, delisted
Jake Orreal - 0 games, delisted
Matthew Beckmans - 0 games, delisted
Aaron Bruce - 0 games, delisted
Dean Terlich - 0 games, delisted

Wow - a draft like that could really set a team back. Lucky your team can identify good talent at other clubs.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

It's 5 years ago, so the club who has had the most games played by the 2007 draft group won the draft.

What if one club has 5 picks the other just 2?

 

[bombermick]

Games played is a decent guide, but not the whole story. If you got a star such as Rioli and nothing else but role players it's still a successful draft.