Draft Review 2008 - Re-do the 2008 draft

[ChomperJones]

The quad pre season and the fracture in his spine this year just as he hit form kinda held him back. Sidebottom has on the other hand has been lucky with injury, but has a lower ceiling and is less damaging

Don't know why Sidebottom is considered less damaging. Zahakaris has only once kicked 20 goals or more in a season.

Sidebotton has done this twice.

 

[Wild Bill]

Don't know why Sidebottom is considered less damaging. Zahakaris has only once kicked 20 goals or more in a season.

Sidebotton has done this twice.

I think they rate a couple of clutch goals to win games. Sidebottom has always been more damaging against the Roos.

 

[Donakebab]

Don't know why Sidebottom is considered less damaging. Zahakaris has only once kicked 20 goals or more in a season.

Sidebotton has done this twice.

There's more to being damaging than just kicking goals. Sidebottom is the king of the sidways kick. He's a great user of the ball, but he doesn't cut opponents apart the way he should.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Don't know why Sidebottom is considered less damaging. Zahakaris has only once kicked 20 goals or more in a season.

Sidebotton has done this twice.

Both times when Collingwood played in the grand final. If Zaha was allowed to hang around HF like Steele did in those years he'd kicked 40 plus next year. Steele is damaging but his best football has always been played when he's had very little responsibility.

 

[the distributer]

Both times when Collingwood played in the grand final. If Zaha was allowed to hang around HF like Steele did in those years he'd kicked 40 plus next year. Steele is damaging but his best football has always been played when he's had very little responsibility.

Zaha kicked 9 goals this year FFS, also only averaged 22 disposals, better than Sidebottom? Lol.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Zaha kicked 9 goals this year FFS, also only averaged 22 disposals, better than Sidebottom? Lol.

offended much. Played with a fractured back for the last third of the season coming off a quad injury that put him out for three quarters of last year. My best mate is a Collingwood supporter so I go to practically every Pies game in Melbourne. Sitting in the members all I hear is complaining about Steele. I'll start to rate him when the majority of your supporters do.

 

[the distributer]

offended much. Played with a fractured back for the last third of the season coming off a quad injury that put him out for three quarters of last year. My best mate is a Collingwood supporter so I go to practically every Pies game in Melbourne. Sitting in the members all I hear is complaining about Steele. I'll start to rate him when the majority of your supporters do.

Sidebottom played with 2 broken legs and a fractured spine, though!

 

[Wild Bill]

offended much. Played with a fractured back for the last third of the season coming off a quad injury that put him out for three quarters of last year. My best mate is a Collingwood supporter so I go to practically every Pies game in Melbourne. Sitting in the members all I hear is complaining about Steele. I'll start to rate him when the majority of your supporters do.

How do you rate Stanton then?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

How do you rate Stanton then?

Not that well. Wouldn't be surprised if he was out of the side within two-three years.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

most of our supporters do rate sidebottom, i know a ton of essendon supporters who rate Jetta despite him being one of the most useless players in the AFL. I highly doubt the abusing of steele being one of our most consistent, big time and a top 10 player on our list.

Easy to say at a random post season junction as memory of good performances stick more than poor ones.

For a reference http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/sidebottom-biggest-disappointment-this-year.1018183/

Some positives in there, generally supporters are more optimistic without the frustrations of a live game, but I'd say the majority were thinking he was struggling.

 

[Joshen]

Echo the not overly rating Sidebottom crowd - he'd still be top 15/20ish but he didn't impress me too much this year.

 

[Big Fresh]

Zaha kicked 9 goals this year FFS, also only averaged 22 disposals, better than Sidebottom? Lol.

Actually if you don't count the Adelaide and Bulldogs games in which Zaharakis was subbed on/off, he averaged marginally more possessions per game than Sidebottom, even including his drop of form after getting injured in round 16.

 

[Wild Bill]

Actually if you don't count the Adelaide and Bulldogs games in which Zaharakis was subbed on/off, he averaged marginally more possessions per game than Sidebottom, even including his drop of form after getting injured in round 16.

Why would you take out sub games?? He played the following week after Adelaide.

 

[Big Fresh]

Why would you take out sub games?? He played the following week after Adelaide.

He was subbed on against Adelaide because he was returning from injury. He didn't play the whole game - and it wasn't because he was ineffective or anything - so why would you count it in his possession average? Also he was subbed off in the game after Adelaide because they were still managing his quad, but I included that because he still managed 26 possessions despite spending only 50% of the match on the ground.

 

[Wild Bill]

He was subbed on against Adelaide because he was returning from injury. He didn't play the whole game - and it wasn't because he was ineffective or anything - so why would you count it in his possession average? Also he was subbed off in the game after Adelaide because they were still managing his quad, but I included that because he still managed 26 possessions despite spending only 50% of the match on the ground.

Right - so we include the games when he played well as a sub but take out the games he was a bad sub. Sounds fair - if you into padding stats.

 

[Big Fresh]

Right - so we include the games when he played well as a sub but take out the games he was a bad sub. Sounds fair - if you into padding stats.

That's actually not that ridiculous, but whatever. Alright so excluding the Melbourne game, he averaged 0.08 fewer possessions per game than Sidebottom.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Can we stop making every comparison about stats. It really debases anyone with the ability to actually analyze a game. It's the supercoach generation.

Both of them had average years for different reasons. Zaha had a fantastic year in 11' but since then hasn't been able to stay fit enough to show it wasn't a one off, Sidebottom has struggled after early success because he hasn't been able to cope with added attention and only really got going late when he started playing off half back.

Pissing contest aside, they are pretty even in their individual successes and this argument is going to be circular because of the closeness.

 

[Bailey01]

Can we stop making every comparison about stats. It really debases anyone with the ability to actually analyze a game. It's the supercoach generation.

Both of them had average years for different reasons. Zaha had a fantastic year in 11' but since then hasn't been able to stay fit enough to show it wasn't a one off, Sidebottom has struggled after early success because he hasn't been able to cope with added attention and only really got going late when he started playing off half back.

Pissing contest aside, they are pretty even in their individual successes and this argument is going to be circular because of the closeness.

But Sidebottom still finished 3rd in Collingwoods bnf

 

[Wild Bill]

Can we stop making every comparison about stats. It really debases anyone with the ability to actually analyze a game. It's the supercoach generation.

Both of them had average years for different reasons. Zaha had a fantastic year in 11' but since then hasn't been able to stay fit enough to show it wasn't a one off, Sidebottom has struggled after early success because he hasn't been able to cope with added attention and only really got going late when he started playing off half back.

Pissing contest aside, they are pretty even in their individual successes and this argument is going to be circular because of the closeness.

Agree - little between two different types of players. Team need would determine who you would prefer.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

But Sidebottom still finished 3rd in Collingwoods bnf

Who would have finished above him? Cloke probably should have. Beams with 8 games or Shaw having his worst year in recent memory or Thomas from the bench.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

If you take away the Ballantyne sack wack and the ball piffed in Monfries face than his year would of been a succesful one, who cares anyway there both smart ass's.
Shaw on the reverse Coleman had like 0.9 goals scored against him playing alot of shutdown roles with toovey being injured. Also averaged like 8 bounces a game and 20 disposals. I'd say he had a good year.

Much stats, so disposal, wow bounce. Again more stats based arguments... they are pointless and can be manipulated in 100 different ways. The fact is he has been one of the dominant half back for the last 5-6 years, this year he wasn't.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Such ignorance, pointless and manipulated wow, 100 different ways omg

Now you're getting it. Seriously he wasn't in the top 8-9 top HB's for the first time in his career. But that is way off topic...

 

[Matt_BL]

I'll have a go at a list, I've included everyone from rookie and pre season drafts as well as the national draft. Also it's still not based purely on output, but still taking into account potential as these guys are still only 23/24 years old.

1. Dayne Beams
2. Nic Naitanui
3. Daniel Hanneberry
4. Tom Rockliff
5. Hamish Hartlett
6. Stephen Hill
7. Jack Ziebell
8. Steele Sidebottom
9. Rory Sloane
10. Daniel Rich
11. David Zaharakis
12. Phil Davis (dun goof'd going to GWS but still could be an AA FB or CHB)
13. Michael Hurley
14. Steven Motlop
15. Hayden Ballantyne

I would probably take Jack Redden at 16 but this draft seems to be an excellent draft, it really depends what you type of player you want if you were doing it retrospectively.

Also just noting Hawthorn also nailed this draft, got Breust, Shiels, Suckling, Schoenmakers and also until recently Savage for some pretty cheap picks + we got Lisle from this draft aswell.

 

[Bailey01]

I'll have a go at a list, I've included everyone from rookie and pre season drafts as well as the national draft. Also it's still not based purely on output, but still taking into account potential as these guys are still only 23/24 years old.

1. Dayne Beams
2. Nic Naitanui
3. Daniel Hanneberry
4. Tom Rockliff
5. Hamish Hartlett
6. Stephen Hill
7. Jack Ziebell
8. Steele Sidebottom
9. Rory Sloane
10. Daniel Rich
11. David Zaharakis
12. Phil Davis (dun goof'd going to GWS but still could be an AA FB or CHB)
13. Michael Hurley
14. Steven Motlop
15. Hayden Ballantyne

I would probably take Jack Redden at 16 but this draft seems to be an excellent draft, it really depends what you type of player you want if you were doing it retrospectively.

Also just noting Hawthorn also nailed this draft, got Breust, Shiels, Suckling, Schoenmakers and also until recently Savage for some pretty cheap picks + we got Lisle from this draft aswell.

Hartlett ahead of Sloane wtf?

 

[Wild Bill]

Hartlett ahead of Sloane wtf?

On potential Hartlett can come over the top. He has a better skill set. Without that clause Sloane is in front. It is a big reason why Hill is so high on that list.