Position 2013 multi-position players

[Jars458]

I think Cox could easily be in the top ten forwards for next year. He is very consistent. That can be added to the positives of the MPP.

 

[54Dogs]

I'd expect Cox to get a heavy workload early with NN eased into it, then see that reversed in the back half of the year

 

[terminators]

I'd expect Cox to get a heavy workload early with NN eased into it, then see that reversed in the back half of the year

Fair point. But if you pick either it would be for the whole year. The average and games played is all that matters with premiums

 

[Keystone agony]

Fair point. But if you pick either it would be for the whole year. The average and games played is all that matters with premiums

Yep and he knows that

Just if Cox is firing avg 110 lets say due to less impact from NN than everyone will want to jump on and buy him. Those that start with him get a massive leg up those that bring him in half way through the year get what everyone else has.

 

[azza77]

Yep and he knows that

Just if Cox is firing avg 110 lets say due to less impact from NN than everyone will want to jump on and buy him. Those that start with him get a massive leg up those that bring him in half way through the year get what everyone else has.

Keystone i think that having Cox up forward could be a great option. I have a pretty basic plan so far but it something along the lines of this.

Looking at the top scoring rucks and predicting averages, you have
Cox 100 (105-110 without NN early potentially)
Sandi 100
Maric ~100
Goldy 95-100
Mcevoy 95
Jacobs 95

Then hoping for the best id expect Berger to average around 85, 90 maybe if all goes well.
Berger is priced at 233k. In the forward line you can have other mid pricers such as,
Knights 80-85 @255k
Kennedy 80-85 @275k
Varcoe 75?? @233k

Looking at this, id be confident of someone like Berger to average more than those 3 midpricer forwards for example, and thus going up in price. Now lets say i pick someone like Goldstein and Berger as my ruck combo with Cox in the forward line. If NN is struggling, id almost back Cox to be averaging somewhere around 105-110. By doing so, it would put him up amongst the top 3 forwards in the game, and probably the highest averaging forward at the time. Once Berger hits his peak, my plan is to DPP trade Cox into the ruck, and swap Berger for the likes of Stevie J/Pav/Buddy/ etc etc.

By doing so, this gives me one of the highest averaging forwards for the first 10 rounds lets say for example, along with Goldy who should be putting along nicely and Berger who should make some serious do$$$h for my side. Come time to trading them, lets say NN is back and fit and start to hit his peak and that brings Cox's average down to 95-100 mark. Now that he is in the ruck, while averaging a tad less, it still places him in the top 3 averaging ruck men, and then i could also bring in a forward who is on fire and averaging 105-110 at the time

So by having Cox in the forwards, you can essentially use Berger as your mid price forward option, and like i said, id be more confident in Berger averaging higher than those other 3 that i mentioned and hence why im very tempted to place Cox in the forwards. and last of all having R/F does provide that cover if something were to happen (late out etc) so that i can play another premium rather than someone like Currie who will probably net me 40 points lol.

 

[Keystone agony]

Its not what Berger can or cant do, youd be picking him im assuming whether you pick Cox as a forward or as a ruck?

If so it really depends on the ruck you wouldnt pick if you were to choose Cox in the rucks. In your specific case it seems it would be Goldstein?

So the question you need to ask is Goldstein priced at 79 gonna be a better Points Per Dollar (PPD) than the other forwards that you wouldn't be picking by having Cox in the forwards. Whether thats Sylvia at 76, Kennedy at 53, Varcoe at 45, Knights at 49 or any other option that you end up not picking that you would by not picking Cox in the forwards group. It could even be a golden rookie that pops up.

 

[Jars458]

Good points Keystone. For me this year there are not a lot of forwards that excite me. Thomas has been in a moon boot and I am not sure Robinson can increase his average. Sylvia and Knights are injury prone and I am not taking any risks on that front this year. I am currently considering Bartel and De Boer for my forwards but both have risks. Lots of teams on DT Talk, don't have Franklin. Could be very risky not having him from the get go if he gets his 200 point week in the early rounds.

 

[azza77]

Its not what Berger can or cant do, youd be picking him im assuming whether you pick Cox as a forward or as a ruck?

If so it really depends on the ruck you wouldnt pick if you were to choose Cox in the rucks. In your specific case it seems it would be Goldstein?

So the question you need to ask is Goldstein priced at 79 gonna be a better Points Per Dollar (PPD) than the other forwards that you wouldn't be picking by having Cox in the forwards. Whether thats Sylvia at 76, Kennedy at 53, Varcoe at 45, Knights at 49 or any other option that you end up not picking that you would by not picking Cox in the forwards group. It could even be a golden rookie that pops up.

Yeah good point, didnt really look at it that way. I think im more picking Cox on the fact that unless something in NAB suggests otherwise, I think Goldstein and Berger, as popular as they will be, will be very hard to pass up on. Goldy could almost increase his average by 20ppg and Berger could go 20+. Ive picked Cox looking at it that if NN is struggling, i personally think he'd be one of the top3 averaging forwards, so therefore im picking him as a premium forward. It then comes with the added bonus that I can switch Cox into the ruck and upgrade Berger with him still being one of the best in that position too. So yeah i understand where you're coming from, but like i said im finding it ver hard to justify paying 500k for someone like Maric/Sandilands when Goldy is sitting there at 400k, with a previous average of 99 i think it was in 2011.

And yeah as Jars has mentioned, Knights and Sylvia seem very risky (not saying that Berger with an achilles isn't.....) leaving Varcoe and Kennedy, so i could essentially could have all 3 including Berger.
However Jars, depending on Robinson's role i seriously think he could average 100. If he plays the same role as last year, was averaging 100 and got injured + playing with a broken hand, in my side at the moment.

 

[Keystone agony]

Those players were just some off the top of my head examples i could think of, without giving too much away.

I still dont think you understand it Arusso.

You have to work out whether its better to pick
Cox (f)
Goldy (r)
Leuy (r)

or
Cox (r)
Leuy (r)
??????? (f) could be anyone the player that you would pick in the forwards are they better value than goldy.

Maric, Sandilands, Leunenberger have nothing to do with it or any other ruck you mention.


I think the biggest mistake people might make next year will be going into there shells and not picking injury prone types. The game now lends itself to that with 30 trades IMO and probably not having to trade much in rounds 11-13 with only 18 players required.

 

[azza77]

Haha dont worry i did understand where you were coming from. I was just merely pointing out that the Berger + Goldy value combo meal will be hard to resist

I could have a value pick similar to goldy in the likes of De Boer/Wellingham/Wright/Martin who are all roughly 30k more expensive. However while i think Goldy could be a top 5 ruckman i think those 4 i mentioned will push top 5-10 at best as forwards. So i think the value still lies in Goldy more. Could pick a mid pricer in knights etc, but Goldy is most likely a keeper where as the others will most likely be a stepping stone to another premium at best, cant see any of them turning to keeper status and there is an injury worry for some of them, and yes while there are more trades, if one of them gets injured at the 300-350k mark you're almost stuck in no mans land.

With more trades im leaning more towards taking players in the Hartlett category. think he could average 100 in the middle, think he deals with the tag okay. even averaging 90-95 as a defender puts him at the very top. If he gets injured then hes pretty much a straight swap, and thus having a backline of Grimes & Hartlett isnt all that risky this year imo.

 

[Keystone agony]

Yep well those 4 names you listed (Deboer, Wellingham, Wright, Martin) are all ones to compare with Goldy i would think. Its something im still considering is it better to have Cox forward and Goldy, Leuy rucks or just have one of Cox/Goldy rucks + Leuy. Im quite happy with 5 keeper forward types i have at the moment so hard to fit Cox into that group so i have him in the rucks. As much as i think Goldy could increase his avg by 15-18 i think Cox could by 10 if NN starts real slow especially in the first half of the year, without Lynch even more of an emphasis is put on the main rucks at westcoast to not only go forward but kick goals down there. However they will also be getting better defenders because of Lynch leaving.

 

[terminators]

Those players were just some off the top of my head examples i could think of, without giving too much away.

I still dont think you understand it Arusso.

You have to work out whether its better to pick
Cox (f)
Goldy (r)
Leuy (r)

or
Cox (r)
Leuy (r)
??????? (f) could be anyone the player that you would pick in the forwards are they better value than goldy.

Maric, Sandilands, Leunenberger have nothing to do with it or any other ruck you mention.


I think the biggest mistake people might make next year will be going into there shells and not picking injury prone types. The game now lends itself to that with 30 trades IMO and probably not having to trade much in rounds 11-13 with only 18 players required.

Have you factored in the points differential by having ruck cover in the fwds when a ruck misses games, vs having poor ruck bench cover.

5 ppg is fine until Leuy is out for 2, then Goldy misses one, then another. No Giles or Zac Smith on the pine this year

 

[Keystone agony]

Have you factored in the points differential by having ruck cover in the fwds when a ruck misses games, vs having poor ruck bench cover.

5 ppg is fine until Leuy is out for 2, then Goldy misses one, then another. No Giles or Zac Smith on the pine this year

No although Cox is just as likely to miss games in a sense aswell

 

[terminators]

No although Cox is just as likely to miss games in a sense aswell

Don't think I was clear enough.

Cox / Ryder / NN. Doesn't really matter who it is but having a ruck / fwd in the fwds will save points whenever one of your 2 rucks misses games. Assuming you have a DP link at R4.

Goldy / Leuy / Daw / McBean RUCKS

Cox FWD



Leuy out for 1-2 weeks with a niggle. Cox moves over to cover him. For those without a Ruck / fwd in the fwds they'll be losing points every time one of their 2 premium rucks miss a week, because of the terrible bench cover in the rucks. If that player (say Cox) can also pay his way as a fwd premium it's a win / win

 

[Keystone agony]

Don't think I was clear enough.

Cox / Ryder / NN. Doesn't really matter who it is but having a ruck / fwd in the fwds will save points whenever one of your 2 rucks misses games. Assuming you have a DP link at R4.

Goldy / Leuy / Daw / McBean RUCKS

Cox FWD



Leuy out for 1-2 weeks with a niggle. Cox moves over to cover him. For those without a Ruck / fwd in the fwds they'll be losing points every time one of their 2 premium rucks miss a week, because of the terrible bench cover in the rucks. If that player (say Cox) can also pay his way as a fwd premium it's a win / win

Its a valid point you make.

What if Cox misses a game like your saying Goldy/leuy will in this scenario.

Also with your example you might have Cox to cover the rucks but all of a sudden you have Mcbean and a depleted forward line that maybe cant cover Cox, i mean you say the ruck rookies are bad this year i dont see anyone jumping through the sky about the forward rookies either.

Although you raise a very good point something i hadnt thought of. Its also really gonna depend on how much you see Goldy improving by does he go from 79 > 100 or 79 > 85 both probably have claims for keeper in the rucks.

Or is there a forward who might be 65 that can go to 95 or 75 that can go to 95-100 thus be maybe a better pick.

 

[CrozaN]

Cox will be in my forward line at this stage...i see more positives out of it than negatives.

 

[toxic]

Cox will be in my forward line at this stage...i see more positives out of it than negatives.

Cox ruffhead and looneyburger is my perfect ruck/fwd mix at this stage

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Last year only four Forwards beat Cox or Maric on average score/game.
Beams, Dangerfield, Sidebottom and Franklin.
So there is a compelling reason to get Cox and Maric, then there's Lleuey as a value pick.
So I dont see the Cox as a forward strategy as being terribly wrong.

 

[VSTone]

Last year only four Forwards beat Cox or Maric on average score/game.
Beams, Dangerfield, Sidebottom and Franklin.
So there is a compelling reason to get Cox and Maric, then there's Lleuey as a value pick.
So I dont see the Cox as a forward strategy as being terribly wrong.

i agree - it makes room for me to have a punt on the "211 burger" combo deal.

and hopefully I can pick off Buddy at a cheaper price after he twangs a brain function in the first couple of games!

 

[Zach Package]

just mucking around, started with berger and cox and McKernan and Grundy on the pine (and ryder in the fwds)

originally had rowe as the 3rd R/F, but downgraded a mid pricer to a mid rookie and had some spare cash to splash on mckernan. Don't reckon he'll average any more than about 75, but JS is much more solid than someone like mcbean or rowe

 

[tonemeister]

Last year only four Forwards beat Cox or Maric on average score/game.
Beams, Dangerfield, Sidebottom and Franklin.
So there is a compelling reason to get Cox and Maric, then there's Lleuey as a value pick.
So I dont see the Cox as a forward strategy as being terribly wrong.

And the first 3 no longer have forward status.

 

[Bluey_McKenna]

To clarify, I assume people aren't suggesting a straight swap between Cox and Leuenberger as part of their DPP strategy, given that Leuenberger is a RUCK only?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

To clarify, I assume people aren't suggesting a straight swap between Cox and Leuenberger as part of their DPP strategy, given that Leuenberger is a RUCK only?

I believe people are assuming that leuey will make his money but not be good enough for a pemranent keeper towards the end of the seasons so when hes at peak trade leuy for a forward by switching cox into the ruck in the trade

 

[FlowersByIrene]

It appears this thread has become about all types of DPP play


anyone running a F/D swing with Broughts, Staker, Bock etc


and is anyone starting with Def or Fwd player sin their midfield and plan to dpp cover that way?

 

[Keystone agony]

I dont see any use for DPP in regards to C/F, C/B, B/F. Ruck backup has a case this year because we dont have a new franchise like GWS or GC making there way and obviousily that means no Giles or Zac Smith as easy 2nd ruck options.

So if you get an injury to one of your 2 rucks certainly the new trading scheme helps but sometimes they might be better used elsewhere for that particular round and a move of Cox to the rucks to cover seems viable.

I also think people like myself see Cox as probably the best forward target and dont want to miss out on the guanranteed value Goldy and Leuy right now look like displaying. Im still questioning Goldy because your probably picking him as a keeper and that means he needs to be the 2nd best scoring ruck in the comp if your picking Cox who will be number one.


Even without HMac last year Goldy had some poor scores like 20-30odds and thats dismall for a first ruck with little back up. I think from memory Goldy without Hmac only avg 85~ which isnt keeper material in the rucks. Thats why i really want Sandi IMO he has a similar amount of upside i think he can avg close to 3 figures so thats ~8 point upside. Goldys priced at 79-80 without HMAC last year it would suggest he has 5 points upside but maybe he was just out of form last year due to HMAC being picked ahead of him early and struggling for game time in the middle. I think he could avg 90 thus ~10 upside.

If i knew Goldy and Sandi were gonna avg 90 and 100 respectivily id pick Sandi every day of the week to start with. Unfortunately Sandi makes my team just a little tougher to pick.

I really like 5 premium backs (Can only pick 4) i also have my midfield basically narrowed down to a strong 7-8 but will only pick 4-5 pending rookie strength via NAB.