Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[TerryWallet]

Considering what Caro has written about the Whitfield & Co. a few moments ago. Could we be talking about who we are taking at pick 4?

No.

The story states that the wrangling will stretch out to December, which is post Draft.

 

[Old navy]

With a deep draft like this one, I'm coming around to the theory that we can take a punt on our first round pick and go for who we feel has the highest ceiling, as opposed to the "sure thing". In this case that means someone like Taranto or Ainsworth over Brodie. I'm really cooling on Brodie. I feel he'll do a job, but not go passed about ending up B+ at best. And if reports of him blazing away and turning it over are to be believed, well it's a no from me.

Taranto and Ainsworth may well turn out to be the best of the year. With our lower picks we can still grab a couple of sure things, especially if a Drew, Gallucci or (fingers crossed) SPP slides to our second round.

IMO Brodie is a better field kick then Taranto. He is also just as impressive at over head marking.
People who are cooling on Brodie should check out the TAC cup GF and the U18 AIS vs VFL games from earlier in the year. Brodie is big time in these games and if he is selected outside the top 5, someone will be getting a absolute steal.
I'd like one of Anisworth or Brodie at pick 5 and if we did reach for a player I'd take Scrimshaw.
Just think a future midfield with Cripps 195cm Charlie Curnow 193cm and one of Brodie 189cm or potentially even Scrimshaw 193cm, good luck trying to match up on that midfield.

 

[TerryWallet]

While it is a juicy argument, i'm hesitant to jump boots n all into the Pick 5 argument because on face value i would be happy with any of McCluggage, McGrath, Bowes, Brodie, Ainsworth, SPS, Taranto, Setterfield or Scrimshaw.

SOS and our team will get the choice out of the bunch after 4 are chosen before us.

Bolton and SOS will be conferring on the player they prefer who best suits us. Interviews will be vital too. With these things we are on the outside looking in.

As an opinionated so and so, i would love to have a firmer opinion on this, but i don't. We've got a great position with 5, and our guys can pick the player they think warrants it most and who suits us best.

 

[Malifice]

Wouldn't surprise me at all but we'll have to take a talent that has scope for growth and not a Conca as Richmond did.

McCluggage has the most tricks right now but Taranto and Scrimshaw may not be that far behind.

Brodie comes across as a 'what you see is what you get' player........not that that's a bad thing. We can't lose at #5. We're in the right zone.

Brodie, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth and Taranto are my preferences more or less in that order.

 

[thylacine60]

I want the best player available in the 2016 draft to be taken by as at Pick 5. Message ends.

 

[Old navy]

Been over on the Brisbane board and they seem to really be in love with the idea for Schache and Anisworth in the same forward line.
We really are in a good position with were our pick is, all SOS needs to do is tell he's preferred player to not say all the right things regarding potentially moving to Queensland for the next ten years.

 

[therubbernub]

There is a lot being written about disposal efficiency on here. Many are correct imo in identifying the difference between a kick under pressure and one where the player is able to kick whilst in the clear. Obviously ,if they are missing targets whilst in the clear, then that is a real problem.
But I am noticing that this year in particular, virtually all clubs are teaching the art of getting the ball to a ball carrier who is in the clear, at all costs, so that ,that player can hit a target down field by foot. The endless chains of handball by both grandfinalists reflected this philosophy. That , combined with the manic team defence pressure on both sides, virtually eliminated any easy break away from the stoppages, without at least 2-3 handballs in close. Some AFL sides do it better than others, the ones that exploit it the best are the most successful. It usually takes a good coach, players that really play for one another and 100% commitment.
This all originated from the hawks model, and has been built upon by various other coaches, each who bring a slightly different slant upon the same premise- quick , sharp ,repetitive handball, blocking etc in essence a sophisticated keepings off, until the ball can be delivered to a player that is
A in the clear
B on the move
C can run in a straight line to deliver the ball downfield to an hopefully uncontested possession.
The hawks looked so much better than every other team when it came to foot disposal and hitting targets. Not so much because they were all elite kickers of the ball( they werent) , but more so, that they never tried to kick to a target until they were in the clear. So disposal efficiency can go up in a really well drilled team such as the hawks, simply because they were really good at delaying the release, until they found the correct player to release to. The hawks were so well drilled and had the key midfield in place by the time they won the first of the threepeats. Clubs have been playing catch up ever since. Even though other clubs have been catching on to this game plan, the simple fact is that the clarkson drilled hawks were simply better at implementing it. Until this year.

So where does all this fit into our selection of a draftee? Well the constant obsession over disposal eficiency is imo ignoring all that is happening in the new game.
Firstly , even elite afl players have taken a few years to catch on to the hawks well drilled game plan and then become drilled well enough to try to emulate what the hawks were doing. Young players who by and large have hardly played together, can hardly be expected to implement a hawks style game plan , when they are still at school, hardly spend any time training together, and dont have the fitness to implement such a game plan anyway. So we need to look beyond such simple analysis, and look at the youngsters ability to make decisions under pressure, fitness, trainability,. Young players that take the game on at under age level, may look great in high light reels, but it needs to be analysed as to whether this would be able to be implemented under a team defence game plan. Is the player who can really fit into a team defensive structure , necessarily someone who would necessarily stand out in under aged competition? The young players need to spend a lot of time playing with their team mates to become drilled in the way the team plays to really become useful to the team structure

 

[Old navy]

Bontempelli featured in the bests more than half the time, and kicked 15 goals in 9 matches.

I haven't seen Scrimshaw play a full match, but if he has been unable to dominate TAC footy, I struggle to see how he becomes a star at AFL level?

With Scrimshaw he has had a heap of injuries over the last two years. He didn't do a preseason and missed most of the start of the season IIRC.
When he does have the ball in hand he really does look a class above, moves so well through traffic and has some great evasive moves for a player who is 193cm and he's left boot is up there with the best in this draft class.

 

[Blueboys7]

It's a no brainer for me this year. If Brodie is available take him. He's the best mid that will be around at our selection and will be great alongside Cripps.

We're not in position where selecting for need is a priority. Getting the best available talent is our priority and IMO that is Brodie by a long way.

 

[Jimmae]

There is a lot being written about disposal efficiency on here. Many are correct imo in identifying the difference between a kick under pressure and one where the player is able to kick whilst in the clear. Obviously ,if they are missing targets whilst in the clear, then that is a real problem.
But I am noticing that this year in particular, virtually all clubs are teaching the art of getting the ball to a ball carrier who is in the clear, at all costs, so that ,that player can hit a target down field by foot. The endless chains of handball by both grandfinalists reflected this philosophy. That , combined with the manic team defence pressure on both sides, virtually eliminated any easy break away from the stoppages, without at least 2-3 handballs in close. Some AFL sides do it better than others, the ones that exploit it the best are the most successful. It usually takes a good coach, players that really play for one another and 100% commitment.
This all originated from the hawks model, and has been built upon by various other coaches, each who bring a slightly different slant upon the same premise- quick , sharp ,repetitive handball, blocking etc in essence a sophisticated keepings off, until the ball can be delivered to a player that is
A in the clear
B on the move
C can run in a straight line to deliver the ball downfield to an hopefully uncontested possession.
The hawks looked so much better than every other team when it came to foot disposal and hitting targets. Not so much because they were all elite kickers of the ball( they werent) , but more so, that they never tried to kick to a target until they were in the clear. So disposal efficiency can go up in a really well drilled team such as the hawks, simply because they were really good at delaying the release, until they found the correct player to release to. The hawks were so well drilled and had the key midfield in place by the time they won the first of the threepeats. Clubs have been playing catch up ever since. Even though other clubs have been catching on to this game plan, the simple fact is that the clarkson drilled hawks were simply better at implementing it. Until this year.

So where does all this fit into our selection of a draftee? Well the constant obsession over disposal eficiency is imo ignoring all that is happening in the new game.
Firstly , even elite afl players have taken a few years to catch on to the hawks well drilled game plan and then become drilled well enough to try to emulate what the hawks were doing. Young players who by and large have hardly played together, can hardly be expected to implement a hawks style game plan , when they are still at school, hardly spend any time training together, and dont have the fitness to implement such a game plan anyway. So we need to look beyond such simple analysis, and look at the youngsters ability to make decisions under pressure, fitness, trainability,. Young players that take the game on at under age level, may look great in high light reels, but it needs to be analysed as to whether this would be able to be implemented under a team defence game plan. Is the player who can really fit into a team defensive structure , necessarily someone who would necessarily stand out in under aged competition? The young players need to spend a lot of time playing with their team mates to become drilled in the way the team plays to really become useful to the team structure

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[teagueyubeauty]

Sounds a perfect fit for us does Scrimshaw....pick him so I can look forward to reading 1-2 weeks

 

[DangerousD]

Could SOS go tall? The ruckman/fwd from WA is talked as top 10

 

[Old navy]

Could SOS go tall? The ruckman/fwd from WA is talked as top 10

May be at pick 25 if Marshall or Battle slide and are still there, Pat Kerr at 48 could be a chance.
Not at pick 5. No chance

 

[SurreyBlue]

Taranto pick 5 & Kerr pick 25 would do me!

 

[TerryWallet]

Taranto pick 5 & Kerr pick 25 would do me!

Would be shocked to see Kerr go Top 30.

One dimensional.

Would be surprised to see him go Top 40.

 

[La Dispute]

I reckon Kerr will be a big slider and end up Pick 50-odd.

Not convinced he'll transition well.

 

[Matty411]

Would be shocked to see Kerr go Top 30.

One dimensional.

Would be surprised to see him go Top 40.

Brodie/Taranto at 5, Willem Drew at 25, Kerr at 48. Inside mids sorted and a blue-blooded KPF to round out our tall stocks.

 

[TerryWallet]

Brodie/Taranto at 5, Willem Drew at 25, Kerr at 48. Inside mids sorted and a blue-blooded KPF to round out our tall stocks.

Personally, i wouldn't take Kerr @ 48 either.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

You know what. Im getting real Patrick Dangerfield 2016 vibes about Will Brodie, minus the goal kicking.

I think with his speed, his hunger for the contest. He'd be a real x-factor out of the midfield.


The problem with our current centre bounce set up. Is we dont have the player who is really quick and hard. Cripps is amazing at everything but our other mids, Gibbs and Curnow lack real explosion out of the centre. Cuningham has that ability, but may not neccessarily have the physicality or contested ability to do it at the centre bounce. That's Brodie for mine

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[agro]

No.

The story states that the wrangling will stretch out to December, which is post Draft.

Unless of course the club in question was Carlton, whereby the AFL would convene a special commission meeting and deliberate and exclude us from the draft in the early ours of the morning.

Not forgetting that the AFL considers the passing of cash in brown paper bags a far more heinous crime than injecting unknown quantities of illegal performance enhancing drugs through your eyeballs.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

While it is a juicy argument, i'm hesitant to jump boots n all into the Pick 5 argument because on face value i would be happy with any of McCluggage, McGrath, Bowes, Brodie, Ainsworth, SPS, Taranto, Setterfield or Scrimshaw.

SOS and our team will get the choice out of the bunch after 4 are chosen before us.

Bolton and SOS will be conferring on the player they prefer who best suits us. Interviews will be vital too. With these things we are on the outside looking in.

As an opinionated so and so, i would love to have a firmer opinion on this, but i don't. We've got a great position with 5, and our guys can pick the player they think warrants it most and who suits us best.

I'm with you on this and that is why I'm so jealous of Freo's trade with GWS

 

[jj1978]

We'll go for the player with a) The best attitude and b) Good kicking....

 

[Jimmae]

So that's 4-5 picks already, with Whiley and Graham still on the books.

 

[HARKER]

Brodie, Scrimshaw, Ainsworth and Taranto are my preferences more or less in that order.

I don't care for the best player as much as for who would be the best player for the team. The two aren't necessarily mutually bound.
I don't care who we get really, as we here have not conducted the interviews and recruiters should know these guys inside out by now.

Have to say though, we were excited for DVR and thought he'd extract every ounce of himself for us......unfortunately that didn't come about.

 

[HARKER]

So that's 4-5 picks already, with Whiley and Graham still on the books.

We'll lose a couple more at least.

Graham, Whiley, Gowers, Sheehan & Buckley either know their fate by now, or are are very nervous about it.