List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 3

[Vhaluus]

My gut feel from what ive heard. Lyons will net us a pick in the 20s. Imo we will couple that pick with a player like cey to get a high teens pick which we will move to carlton for gibbs. Carlton are in rebuild. They want draft picks. We want to hold onto pick 13.

I'm ok with this.

I had said 2 2nd rounders which is essentially what that deal ends up as.

 

[Red mist]

A forward line.
B minus backline.
C minus midfield.

 

[Mego Red]

A poor midfield leaves you as vulnerable as a bad defense, not more, not less.

You can't have one part of the ground that is too poor or the disadvantage in that area outweighs the advantage in all others.

A midfielder has to be offensive as well as defensive. They make everything happen.

Look at the grand finalists. The two best midfields played each other. Both had meh key defenders. It's not that important - and frankly it's always easier to be negative and stop something happening than to be creative and attacking.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Our drafting policy isn't needs based in the first round. We always go best available.

Drafting a defender early is a free hit. No one can get that wrong.

The spectacular fails like Angwin, Sellar, Tambling, Watts (not anymore) are usually forwards/mids.

 

[Thetrader15]

We're selling it to China

No, already sold to the UK

 

[Red mist]

A midfielder has to be offensive as well as defensive. They make everything happen.

Look at the grand finalists. The two best midfields played each other. Both had meh key defenders. It's not that important - and frankly it's always easier to be negative and stop something happening than to be creative and attacking.

Apart from Grundy. He wasn't meh.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

My gut feel from what ive heard. Lyons will net us a pick in the 20s. Imo we will couple that pick with a player like cey to get a high teens pick which we will move to carlton for gibbs. Carlton are in rebuild. They want draft picks. We want to hold onto pick 13.

Makes sense considering Carlton are looking to get a few GWS players

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Assuming the Gibbs rumours are for real, what are the chances we'll pay more for Gibbs than Geelong did for Dangerfield?

Gibbs has an existing contract we're obligated to take on board

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

My gut feel from what ive heard. Lyons will net us a pick in the 20s. Imo we will couple that pick with a player like cey to get a high teens pick which we will move to carlton for gibbs. Carlton are in rebuild. They want draft picks. We want to hold onto pick 13.

I can't see how we get a late first rounder unless we trade our 2017 first to GWS for pick 15 or 16 and even then, if GWS want that pick we should just pay that for Gibbs and Carlton can on trade it.

 

[Vhaluus]

Sure, you want good players everywhere. But you can get by with Hamling, Roberts, Cordy in peripheral roles. Key midfield roles you can't skimp.

We've done it backwards. We've gone for a blue chip defence with a workmanlike midfield.

Imagine an alternate history where Brad Crouch hadn't had his career ruined so far by injury and Danger was still with us.. would you call that that workman like still?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Imagine an alternate history where Brad Crouch hadn't had his career ruined so far by injury and Danger was still with us.. would you call that that workman like still?

We drafted Doedee after Dangerfield left and drafted Lever after Brad Crouch missed an entire season

 

[Vhaluus]

A forward line.
B minus backline.
C minus midfield.

You're being generous... our midfield is a fail.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Our drafting policy isn't needs based in the first round. We always go best available.

do you really believe that

 

[Vhaluus]

We drafted Doedee after Dangerfield left and drafted Lever after Brad Crouch missed an entire season

Yeah I'm not saying I agree with the last two years of drafting, I just don't think there is a huge disparity between defenders and midfielders influence on the game.

That being said I also think that we've missed our window, circumstances haven't worked out for us so unless we can get 2 A grade guns we should be trading out a bunch of players and rebuilding.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

* I did say at the time we drafted Lever it was a good thing because it obviously meant we were very confident Dangerfield would re-sign

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Sure, you want good players everywhere. But you can get by with Hamling, Roberts, Cordy in peripheral roles. Key midfield roles you can't skimp.

We've done it backwards. We've gone for a blue chip defence with a workmanlike midfield.

Rubbish ! .........Dangerfield leaving wasn't planned .....i'll debate the following midfield was in fact Blue Chip in the AFL :
Dangerfield ...Sloane ...Brad Crouch ...Matt Crouch

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I just don't think there is a huge disparity between defenders and midfielders influence on the game.

I don't think many people would share that view

AFC recruiting team maybe!

 

[Runnin Blue]

We're selling it to China

UK owns biggest portion of foreign owned farmland

 

[Vhaluus]

I don't think many people would share that view

AFC recruiting team maybe!

I'll say that defenders 5 and 6 can basically be fillers. But certainly your #1 small defender and #1 kpd are very important.

 

[Elite Crow]

Laird & Talia play easier roles. The best KPD in the competition is not a better player than the 40th best midfielder

Betts plays a niche, icing on the cake role.

Tex at his best I'll grant you but we haven't seen it for a while.

You sound like an umpire

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Rubbish ! .........Dangerfield leaving wasn't planned .....i'll debate the following midfield was in fact Blue Chip in the AFL :
Dangerfield ...Sloane ...Brad Crouch ...Matt Crouch

Davis
Talia
Smith
Lever
Doedee

Seems like a lot of first rounders spent on defenders to me

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You sound like an umpire

The coaches votes reflect similar

 

[Vhaluus]

Davis
Talia
Smith
Lever
Doedee

Seems like a lot of first rounders spent on defenders to me

I think it was an over correction by our list management.

Last year and the year before we had a strong midfield, a potentially potent forward line but a defense that was extremely suspect.

It's quite clear that at least up until last years draft our list management panel did not rate the players we had as defenders and felt the need to upgrade it.

 

[Red mist]

You're being generous... our midfield is a fail.

We wouldn't have downhill skied over the bottom 10 if that was the case.

 

[Elite Crow]

Apart from Grundy. He wasn't meh.

Rampe