2016 Non-Crows AFL Discussion - Cont. in Part 2 (link in OP)

[I Lost My Keays]

It's cringeworthy when you lot start up a thread on the Hawthorn board wanting to be recognized about being a threat whilst being desperate for approval . Then there is also a hilarious thread on your board saying "Port Adelaide 2016 premiers". There's one thing to be confident and there's being arrogant. What makes you like this? You didn't even make finals last season. You guys lost to Brisbane and Carlton for crying out loud.





**waiting for the replies about Port beating Hawthorn twice

 

[Elite Crow]

It's cringeworthy when you lot start up a thread on the Hawthorn board wanting to be recognized about being a threat whilst being desperate for approval . Then there is also a hilarious thread on your board saying "Port Adelaide 2016 premiers". There's one thing to be confident and there's being arrogant. What makes you like this? You didn't even make finals last season. You guys lost to Brisbane and Carlton for crying out loud.





**waiting for the replies about Port beating Hawthorn twice

It's called being dicks

 

[Tyls83]

Some fine Saturday night viewing on fox footy... Last years showdown followed by Bulldogs final... Work tomorrow but cracking another beer


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[Mr MysteryGuest]

Chant night and fake crowd noises at home games trumps all of those.

Most people, some crow fans included, refuse to believe me when I tell them about these innovative initiatives.

You're delusional if you think chant night was worse than the tarps.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You're delusional if you think chant night was worse than the tarps.

The tarps unfortunately are like Melbourne's members voting to merge. Something that will never be lived down and that forever defines the culture of the club.

 

[Mego Red]

The tarps unfortunately are like Melbourne's members voting to merge. Something that will never be lived down and that forever defines the culture of the club.

Completely agree.

To try and compare it to a fictional "fake crowd noise" (which only a few Power supporters have ever heard) and some fans doing a chant rehearsal that 99.9% of the world to this day still don't know actually happened - well, that's just pathetic.

 

[Elite Crow]

The tarps symbolise total failure:

Management
Team
Supporters

It doesn't get any worse

 

[GROTTO]

The tarps symbolise total failure:

Management
Team
Supporters

It doesn't get any worse

In case any self respecting Crows supporter doesnt remember.

 

[GROTTO]

It's cringeworthy when you lot start up a thread on the Hawthorn board wanting to be recognized about being a threat whilst being desperate for approval . Then there is also a hilarious thread on your board saying "Port Adelaide 2016 premiers". There's one thing to be confident and there's being arrogant. What makes you like this? You didn't even make finals last season. You guys lost to Brisbane and Carlton for crying out loud.





**waiting for the replies about Port beating Hawthorn twice

The utter stupidity of that thread posted was demonstrated by the mods on that board changing the poll to replace Port with Adelaide.

 

[Jonts]

It's cringeworthy when you lot start up a thread on the Hawthorn board wanting to be recognized about being a threat whilst being desperate for approval . Then there is also a hilarious thread on your board saying "Port Adelaide 2016 premiers". There's one thing to be confident and there's being arrogant. What makes you like this? You didn't even make finals last season. You guys lost to Brisbane and Carlton for crying out loud.





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To be fair everyone else on the port board was telling the OP that he has no clue

(For the hawks board one)
The premiers one is clearly tongue in cheek piss take

 

[BRL121]

Now, come on guys! Which one of you burned down the two shops in Port Adelaide? I guess it wasn't anyone from the Pizza thread?

 

[1970crow]

If Essendon players get off it tells the athletes of the world you can dope, as long as all records are destroyed. And you can use that as a defence.

Can see that defence being used by every dodgy sports program who is a WADA signee.

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That's pretty weak to be honest. The only reason that there would be records in the first place is if someone mistakenly thought a substance was compliant when it was not. If you're knowingly using a banned substance, which would be almost 100% of the deliberate contraventions, you don't leave a robust paper trail.

 

[Geoffa32]

That's pretty weak to be honest. The only reason that there would be records in the first place is if someone mistakenly thought a substance was compliant when it was not. If you're knowingly using a banned substance, which would be almost 100% of the deliberate contraventions, you don't leave a robust paper trail.

True.

But as part of the program you would document all dosage and the cause and effect of the dosages.

The suggestion that Essendon have no documentation is laughable. You don't spend that money and not keep the results.

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[Deaneus!]

That's pretty weak to be honest. The only reason that there would be records in the first place is if someone mistakenly thought a substance was compliant when it was not. If you're knowingly using a banned substance, which would be almost 100% of the deliberate contraventions, you don't leave a robust paper trail.

I think you would, otherwise you wouldn't know which illegal stuff worked better. Like shonky businesses having two sets of books

 

[Mego Red]

That's pretty weak to be honest. The only reason that there would be records in the first place is if someone mistakenly thought a substance was compliant when it was not. If you're knowingly using a banned substance, which would be almost 100% of the deliberate contraventions, you don't leave a robust paper trail.

Can't agree. Even in a legitimate program, you are doing a series of injections of supplements. You absolutely would document that - shit, they'd be documenting the number of sit-ups they do, yet alone an intravenous supplement program.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Can't agree. Even in a legitimate program, you are doing a series of injections of supplements. You absolutely would document that - shit, they'd be documenting the number of sit-ups they do, yet alone an intravenous supplement program.

No documentation is basically an admission of guilt. Gross incompetence is also not an excuse.

 

[Deaneus!]

Heard on the radio this morning "Tuesday"

That'll be a great day on BF

 

[Deaneus!]

NikkiNoo i will stalk you this week so you can explain what the hell is going on

 

[NikkiNoo]

NikkiNoo i will stalk you this week so you can explain what the hell is going on

I will possibly be as clueless as the rest of us initially Although not as clueless as the idiots on 5AA just now. They think even if the players are found guilty, they have been punished enough and any punishments would be directed towards the club admin. Um nope, that isn't how this hearing works. The admin haven't been charged with anything because they can't be under the WADA code. They are the ones ultimately responsible for what happened at Essendon, but it is the way of the code that they can't be punished and the onus is purely on the athlete (this has changed a bit with the new code in place where support staff can also finally face appropriate penalties in relation to an athlete doping).

Also the players have never had a guilty finding, so if they are, this will be the first time a punishment can be metered out to them. There might some reduction in penalty because of the couple of weeks they decided not to play but keep training, but.. *shrugs* who knows what is going to happen?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I will possibly be as clueless as the rest of us initially Although not as clueless as the idiots on 5AA just now. They think even if the players are found guilty, they have been punished enough and any punishments would be directed towards the club admin. Um nope, that isn't how this hearing works. The admin haven't been charged with anything because they can't be under the WADA code. They are the ones ultimately responsible for what happened at Essendon, but it is the way of the code that they can't be punished and the onus is purely on the athlete (this has changed a bit with the new code in place where support staff can also finally face appropriate penalties in relation to an athlete doping).

Nikki, do you have a prediction as to what you think will be the likely outcome?

Imo, anything less than 1 year bans would be a joke

There is more talk this time about the Dons' preparing for the worst given the Afl no longer have control...

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

How is this supposed fake crowd noise any different from them playing a backing track over their little INXS sing-song?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Nikki, do you have a prediction as to what you think will be the likely outcome?

Imo, anything less than 1 year bans would be a joke

There is more talk this time about the Dons' preparing for the worst given the Afl no longer have control...

Does this mean the players could get bans still? I've kind of switched off over this whole saga so thought the players had nothing left to lose?

 

[NikkiNoo]

Nikki, do you have a prediction as to what you think will be the likely outcome?

Imo, anything less than 1 year bans would be a joke.

I want them to be found guilty to warn any other club from attempting something like this and putting their athletes at risk. Will that happen? I have no idea. Agree with you that there should be at the standard a 1 year ban if they are found guilty.

The CAS panel did bring some of the players in to interview and were not happy with the players not revealing to ASADA testers that they had taken 'thymosin' as they are supposed to do when you fill in the form around the drug test. They went back over that a couple of times, the lack of truthfulness of the players, so I think that weighs against the players from an outsider looking in. They also asked about the no fault penalty, and why it was being pushed as a possibility. That can be taken two ways, but I think it is them covering bases knowing what the AFL might want to happen vs what WADA would want to happen. My understanding is that the hearing was around what WADA wants to present as a test case to try and catch dopers when there is lack of direct evidence of doping at such a systematic level. It will be telling if they were able to prove to CAS that they would be satisfied with that burden level.

The chair of the CAS panel btw is the same man doing the investigation into the IAAF doping issues and this week is going to be very busy for him, as the second part of that report will be released and is apparently going to be very damaging for the IAAF itself.

 

[Apsaalooke]

I will possibly be as clueless as the rest of us initially Although not as clueless as the idiots on 5AA just now. They think even if the players are found guilty, they have been punished enough and any punishments would be directed towards the club admin. Um nope, that isn't how this hearing works. The admin haven't been charged with anything because they can't be under the WADA code. They are the ones ultimately responsible for what happened at Essendon, but it is the way of the code that they can't be punished and the onus is purely on the athlete (this has changed a bit with the new code in place where support staff can also finally face appropriate penalties in relation to an athlete doping).

Also the players have never had a guilty finding, so if they are, this will be the first time a punishment can be metered out to them. There might some reduction in penalty because of the couple of weeks they decided not to play but keep training, but.. *shrugs* who knows what is going to happen?

In fact the players haven't received any punishment at all up to now

 

[NikkiNoo]

Does this mean the players could get bans still? I've kind of switched off over this whole saga so thought the players had nothing left to lose?

Oh they have a lot to lose here. If they are found guilty then bans will be more than likely. There isn't a case that I can see for the no fault option, which the penalty can be as little as a warning, in what happened with the injections as they fully were aware they were being injected and did not adequately check, as they have been trained to do. Minimum penalty is 2 years for a first violation under the 2013 AFL National anti-doping code. This can be reduced if there have been time sat out etc (like Crowley did).

If anyone is interested this is the AFL code - http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Schedule 6 - National Anti-Doping Code.pdf