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2016 Non Crows AFL Discussion thread Part 2
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Reckon that would be a very entertaining night..
Yes, because the UCI, cycling's governing body turned a blind eye to doping for years. Cycling wasn't cleaned up until USADA and WADA got onto them...
Sound familiar?
The sporting codes can't be trusted to police drugs in sport as their primary focus is making cash and protecting the brand.
Could you put a Brownlow through the shredder?
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Yeh, cause you need to be educated to breed. All those workers then compete with the family people for the business hours shifts. And then the family people expect preference because they've got mouths to feed. Breeders are such an entitled bunch. You want kids, pay for them, want to earn more cash as an uneducated person, do shifts with penalty rates, it's not hard.
What you missed with your idiotic response, was that Sanders wanted to spread the penalty rates through to the workers who refuse to do the shifts.
if you think I reckon the AFL is sparkling clean except for Jobe you're very much mistaken.
Not quite true. Cycling got a huge boot up the backside with the Festina affair, which happened the year before Armstrong won the first of his TDFs. That was long before WADA & USADA got involved.
In terms of doping, cycling is no better and no worse than a whole lot of other sports - soccer, tennis & basketball all spring quickly to mind. Cycling has the reputation, because it's had the publicity associated with some major busts. The other sports have governing bodies which are even better at turning a blind eye and covering things up.
This just goes to reinforce your last point!
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Early last month, Watson made the AFL Commission's decision a lot easier, when he released a statement relinquishing the medal – a response to the 12-month ban handed to 34 past and present Essendon players who participated in the 2012 supplements saga.
In the November statement, he said: "It is with mixed emotions that I have decided to hand back my 2012 Brownlow Medal."
Happier times: Jobe Watson after winning the medal. Photo: Paul Rovere
That's pretty specific. Yet that has not happened.
The medal has not been handed back, nor has there been a request for it to be returned.
The national empathy and compassion afforded Watson is completely justified.
He has been the face of the playing group that has been at the centre of the biggest doping scandal in Australian sport.
He has displayed tremendous leadership and courage during a time when many have shown ineptitude and spinelessness.
The fact that Watson has been stripped of the greatest individual honour in football is a blight on the people and the football club that allowed it to happen.
Stephen Dank, James Hird, Dean Robinson and others should never get over the fact that their irresponsible and abhorrent behaviour has not only irreparably damaged the lives of 34 young men, but it has also robbed a club legend of his Brownlow.
But the fact remains – he is now no longer a Brownlow medallist and as such he should no longer be in possession of the medal itself.
It would appear that the belief at AFL headquarters is that for them to ask for it back — given what Watson has been through — would be heartless.
But after Watson decided – in his own words – to "hand it back" and the commission unanimously voted to give medals to runners-up Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin, the medal should have been returned.
The fact that there are now three 2012 Brownlow Medals in circulation is a testament to the sheer absurdity of the situation.
If anything, Watson's ongoing possession of the medal only adds lingering discomfort to the scandal.
In the November statement, he said: "It is with mixed emotions that I have decided to hand back my 2012 Brownlow Medal."
Happier times: Jobe Watson after winning the medal. Photo: Paul Rovere
That's pretty specific. Yet that has not happened.
The medal has not been handed back, nor has there been a request for it to be returned.
The national empathy and compassion afforded Watson is completely justified.
He has been the face of the playing group that has been at the centre of the biggest doping scandal in Australian sport.
He has displayed tremendous leadership and courage during a time when many have shown ineptitude and spinelessness.
The fact that Watson has been stripped of the greatest individual honour in football is a blight on the people and the football club that allowed it to happen.
Stephen Dank, James Hird, Dean Robinson and others should never get over the fact that their irresponsible and abhorrent behaviour has not only irreparably damaged the lives of 34 young men, but it has also robbed a club legend of his Brownlow.
But the fact remains – he is now no longer a Brownlow medallist and as such he should no longer be in possession of the medal itself.
It would appear that the belief at AFL headquarters is that for them to ask for it back — given what Watson has been through — would be heartless.
But after Watson decided – in his own words – to "hand it back" and the commission unanimously voted to give medals to runners-up Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin, the medal should have been returned.
The fact that there are now three 2012 Brownlow Medals in circulation is a testament to the sheer absurdity of the situation.
If anything, Watson's ongoing possession of the medal only adds lingering discomfort to the scandal.
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What the hell are you talking about? Get RE-educated, not educated. If you don't want to work Sunday's, then learn new skills and get a 9-5 job with those skills.
And what was the fall out from Festina? The sport never got cleaned up properly until there was external impetus.
Cycling was way worse than most sports for PED's. Now it is way, way ahead of all sports. No needles policy, out of season testing, and the biological passport are all way, way ahead of every other sport.
The main issue they have currently is the Therapeutic Use Exemptions, where doctors clear riders for certain drugs based on their medical condition. It is amazing how many top cyclists suffer from asthma....
Anyway, I digress. Cycling is so far ahead of the AFL they are on different planets. The interesting thing for me is that the AFL just seems further behind on the same journey. Until drugs rule the sport and everyone is doping, and there is external intervention, nothing will happen. The Essendon fiasco is the same as the Festina fiasco. Neither resulted in the sports being cleaned up.
*Edit thanks Greycrow
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Sorry, my mistake! Thanks, I'll correct my post
BTW I just want to say how much it $hits me that the Essendon doping scandal is referred to by the AFL and the media (never bite the hand that feeds ya) as the "supplements scandal".
FFS, not a doping scandal, not a drugs scandal, not a PED scandal. Like these guys were taking vitamins and there was something untoward in them...
They are cheats and they should have been banned for life.
FFS, not a doping scandal, not a drugs scandal, not a PED scandal. Like these guys were taking vitamins and there was something untoward in them...
They are cheats and they should have been banned for life.
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Sydney didn't have to sweat too long about Heeney's future
Heeney obviously doesn't understand the immense sensation of living in Moggs Creek!
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Yep and the players will get a sickening heroes welcome upon their return come round 1. It is a sad indictment about just how far behind the rest of the world the AFL is in attitude.
Perhaps your re-education could include understanding the simple concept that we're referring to entities that operate both during the business day and also on weekends, public holidays, drag shifts etc. What Sanders is saying, and you seem to agree with, although I don't think you've got the context, is that in a 24x7 operation, the current penalty rates should be spread across the entire work group and the workers with a family lifestyle should have priority to work the ordinary hours shifts because it fits with their kids being at school and family meal time.
Using your simple "supply and demand" methodology, what happens when the permanent night/weekend crew offer to do the weekday shifts for $2/hr less? Let me guess, employment law won't allow that.
Is there a shift where you think the premium would be fair? Out of interest, what happens at your local 24hr petrol station when the overnight worker wants to change to day shift? Is it purely the most family orientated? What if the night shift person has punched out 3 kids and the family guy is down to 2 because his eldest has moved out. What happens when no one is prepared to work shift work? I've only seen a handful of EBAs in my time, but every single one that handed back penalty rates for an increased flat rate included a clause regarding fairness in rostering.
I could understand to an extent why you'd be happy to can penalty rates. What I can't understand is why you want to spread them out with the sole purpose of benefitting a certain type of person. If you don't accept the premium is warranted, shouldn't the day shifters continue to earn the same and the penalty earners drop back to day rates? You're almost running a 'their gain is our loss' argument.
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