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Were certainly looking at adding a small forward this trade period and that could very well end up being Puopolo.

NO NO NO NO NO NO:eek:
Apologies for the caps but this point needs emphasising from me
Who would you leave out on match day for Puopolo or even trade/delist(Small forwards/resting mids that could be on the list next year)
Deledio
Greene
Smith (?)
S Reid
MDB
Bam Bam
Taranto
Lloyd
Tiziani
6 other mids who would rest forward for some of the game
 
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NO NO NO NO NO NO:eek:
Apologies for the caps but this point needs emphasising from me
Who would you leave out on match day for Puopolo or even trade/delist(Small forwards/resting mids that could be on the list next year)
Deledio
Greene
Smith (?)
S Reid
MDB
Bam Bam
Taranto
Tiziani
6 other mids who would rest forward for some of the game
Everyone's entitled to their opinion but it reminds me a lot if the negativity around us recruiting De Boer and Mzungu last year. Maybe we are just a tad self entitled as a supporter group with all the talent on our list.
It's fair enough to consider developing talent when brining a player in but it's about putting the best team on the field on gameday.
The club has been actively recruiting experienced players for a number of years, and I'm sure it had the potential to dishearten guys like Sam Reid and Daniel Loyd when we recruited Deledio. That's professional sport though.
Adrian Caruso touched on it in a recent radio interview when he said you can ask youngsters if they can handle extended periods in the reserves at the interview, but you never know how they'll react. I suspect this had an impact on us losing guys like Steele and Plowman and certainly Hampton.
Back on topic I'm not convinced Puopolo is worth Whitfield and he does seem to have dropped form this year, and is 30 next year. I do think the club is a better judge of these matters than me though.
 
Everyone's entitled to their opinion but it reminds me a lot if the negativity around us recruiting De Boer and Mzungu last year. Maybe we are just a tad self entitled as a supporter group with all the talent on our list.
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Back on topic I'm not convinced Puopolo is worth Whitfield and he does seem to have dropped form this year, and is 30 next year. I do think the club is a better judge of these matters than me though.

Heh I disagree with your first paragraph and the reason why is your last paragraph! That worked out well. :D

I'm not a huge fan of targeting Puopolo in a trade because what we'll have to give up to get him will be disproportionate to what I think he'll bring to the team in improvement.

If we gave up a pick in the 40s or 50s or a rookie spot, like we did with MDB and Mzungu, fine. But given Hawthorn's seeming desire to continue trading for every player and their lack of draft picks I think they'd be expecting at least a second round pick in return.
 
I am not against recruiting an experienced player but it has to be right for the club and I see the depth of the club to have improved and also we have to wait to see what happens in the trade period so I would say it is possible an experienced player is traded in to the Giants but it would be at long odds for mine as it would reduce the opportunities for some of the depth players who have proven this year that they can hold their own in the AFL
 

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Heh I disagree with your first paragraph and the reason why is your last paragraph! That worked out well. :D

I'm not a huge fan of targeting Puopolo in a trade because what we'll have to give up to get him will be disproportionate to what I think he'll bring to the team in improvement.

If we gave up a pick in the 40s or 50s or a rookie spot, like we did with MDB and Mzungu, fine. But given Hawthorn's seeming desire to continue trading for every player and their lack of draft picks I think they'd be expecting at least a second round pick in return.
Fair enough
My first paragraph was more general though, and I thought it was appropriate to say it. I didn't expect it to be popular.
 
I can see the merits of targeting Puopolo but personally if we have a forward line of

Smith - Patton - lobb

Deledio - Cameron - Greene

I can see the likes of M.Kennedy on the bench with a high half forward role and same for Lloyd, de Boer and Tiziani.

I can only see us wanting pops if we lose Deledio but he has another year at minimum in him with up to 2-3 years at best.
 
NO NO NO NO NO NO:eek:
Apologies for the caps but this point needs emphasising from me
Who would you leave out on match day for Puopolo or even trade/delist(Small forwards/resting mids that could be on the list next year)
Deledio
Greene
Smith (?)
S Reid
MDB
Bam Bam
Taranto
Lloyd
Tiziani
6 other mids who would rest forward for some of the game

We want to add speed and defensive pressure to our forward line and these guys don't fill that role with most lacking the speed we want in the front half.
 
I feel the most pressing issue for the team is to develop a Coniglio clone or someone who has his skills around the stoppages and I see one of Hopper or Kennedy as being ready to play this role
Also the ruck is next, I see Mumford playing 1 more year and it would have been good to see Lobb play as main ruck once this year but i can see that happening early next season.
Ages for the potential rucks next season
Mumford 32 in July
Simpson 29 in February
Lobb 25 in February
Flynn 21 in September 2018 (Still 19)
Richards 19 in February 2018
 
We want to add speed and defensive pressure to our forward line and these guys don't fill that role with most lacking the speed we want in the front half.

Lack of speed is an issue in the forward half and it will be formsting to see if they target someone in trade period for that role or if the draft is the answer
 
If you are looking at the Hawks list then depending on the cost in terms of picks and also salary and then also which of the OOC 4 leave Isaac Smith would interest me but I think he would only leave for a big salary which the club couldn't offer although a situation like the Deledio trade with the Hawks covering some of the salary as he is contracted for 2018
 
From my perspective, team balance will continue to see 4 small or medium forwards - all with ability to roll through the midfield to some extent - picked for each game, plus similar numbers in reserves/developing players. Tend to think that at least one of those is a mid resting forward (generally a younger, developing player). Ideally, that's balanced in terms of age, and a mixture of speed, tackling pressure and ability to kick goals.

With Stevie J retiring, for me Deledio comes into the 'veteran' spot, albeit he still has considerable speed and ability to kick goals. With who we currently have, then, Greene - Smith -Deledio - Taranto seems the likely line-up, with Matt Kennedy, MdB, Tiziani, Reid, Lloyd all as backups. With Stevie J's departure, I expect to see a young forward/midfielder drafted this year - likely Jack Powell from the Academy/Canberra, but Charlie Spargo would certainly be in the mix at a second round selection we have. In this case, I really can't see why we would want Puopolo, solid player that he has been for Hawks, at the price Hawks are likely to want.

If Smith departs during the draft period, I could see that we might want another experienced player to replace him, but I'd want to go someone younger than 30 - not enough return on that for me. Breust obviously would be the ideal, but would cost too much (in both trade & salary) & he doesn't want to leave (not that I think Poppy does either). There's probably a couple of guys out there that fit the bill. Otherwise - and my own personal preference - would be to simply go the draft for a second forward. Spargo and Powell would be options. Use MdB as the placeholder for Smith (I don't think that Greene - Deledio - Taranto - MdB is a bad line-up at all) and give opportunities to Tiziani, Powell & Spargo as they arise to see who can make that step up.
 
From my perspective, team balance will continue to see 4 small or medium forwards - all with ability to roll through the midfield to some extent - picked for each game, plus similar numbers in reserves/developing players. Tend to think that at least one of those is a mid resting forward (generally a younger, developing player). Ideally, that's balanced in terms of age, and a mixture of speed, tackling pressure and ability to kick goals.

With Stevie J retiring, for me Deledio comes into the 'veteran' spot, albeit he still has considerable speed and ability to kick goals. With who we currently have, then, Greene - Smith -Deledio - Taranto seems the likely line-up, with Matt Kennedy, MdB, Tiziani, Reid, Lloyd all as backups. With Stevie J's departure, I expect to see a young forward/midfielder drafted this year - likely Jack Powell from the Academy/Canberra, but Charlie Spargo would certainly be in the mix at a second round selection we have. In this case, I really can't see why we would want Puopolo, solid player that he has been for Hawks, at the price Hawks are likely to want.

If Smith departs during the draft period, I could see that we might want another experienced player to replace him, but I'd want to go someone younger than 30 - not enough return on that for me. Breust obviously would be the ideal, but would cost too much (in both trade & salary) & he doesn't want to leave (not that I think Poppy does either). There's probably a couple of guys out there that fit the bill. Otherwise - and my own personal preference - would be to simply go the draft for a second forward. Spargo and Powell would be options. Use MdB as the placeholder for Smith (I don't think that Greene - Deledio - Taranto - MdB is a bad line-up at all) and give opportunities to Tiziani, Powell & Spargo as they arise to see who can make that step up.
Only small concern I have is our window is now and weakness needs to be addressed short term. Your point about Deledio is fair and Devon is on the verge of no longer being a young player.
If Hopper does want to go and we seek a mature player maybe our best option would be talk to the Crows about Charlie Cameron, who is quick and has great defensive pressure, or from left field Riley Knight who seems to me to have a touch of class but has been held back by injury.
Assuming Hopper was willing to go to Adelaide they may value a tough inside ball extractor is my thought.
 

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maybe our best option would be talk to the Crows about Charlie Cameron, who is quick and has great defensive pressure,

He's also contracted. That's the big stink Pike was having at Brisbane for Fagan daring to even mentioning him.

Don't we always have an issue with others targeting our contracted players? Bit on the hypocritical side of things don't you think?
 
He's also contracted. That's the big stink Pike was having at Brisbane for Fagan daring to even mentioning him.

Don't we always have an issue with others targeting our contracted players? Bit on the hypocritical side of things don't you think?
I wasn't suggesting we go and tell the Crows to get stuffed he's ours. I dont necessarily get offended when oppo posters indicate interest in a contracted player. Just when they sprout BS about a deal being done. Ultimately if you or others do it doesn't make me hypocritical. I neither do, nor want to be responsible for others views or actions on our board.

He does seem the perfect fit if a mutually agreeable deal could be done though. Personally I like Riley Knight as well. When I was in Adelaide a couple of people who are keen students seemed to rate him highly in a similar role as well as the little I've seen.
 
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Yeah Kelly might not go back to Perth but his dad did play for the VFL(maybe if he wants the money then that that is up to him if he wants to join a victorian side). If we do win the flag this year, then he might leave and I think we should get Martin (if they don't win it). Idk if that is possible, can someone enlighten me of the possibility this would happen?.
 
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Yeah Kelly might not go back to Perth but his dad did play for the VFL(maybe if he wants the money then that that is up to him if he wants to join a victorian side). If we do win the flag this year, then he might leave and I think we sould get Martin (if they don't win it). Idk if that is possible, can someone enlighten me of the possibility this would happen?.
Have time now and thought naybe one of the regulars who have a strong interest in trading might respond. We're all a bit scattered by Froday night I think.

I agree it's his call and the club is bigger than any of the players. We've put an offer on the table and the suggestion is it's around $800k for two years. It's public North have offerred more long term. The only indication of his intent is players extending usually do so before the end of the season and he hasn't.
Your not the first person to suggest we go after Martin, I see two difficulties

1. We may simply not have the cash under the cap. As the talent from our start up concessions matures players want, and are entitled to, more money. Figures over $1mil a season are being bandied about. In my view we have to prioritise Guys like Dylan Shiel, for example, who show loyalty. I see an issue if players are forced to acceot lower salaries to accommodate Martin. If Kelly gies we would have the trade currency in picks though if we chose to go that way.

2. My personal view is new clubs like us have to be careful about the character of marquee playets they recruit. We are maturing as a club but still. There have been querues about Martin in the past, although it may be he is maturing as a player as well.
 

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Although its hard to fathom a scenario where we can actually get Martin, but if Kelly does leave, it might not be completely out of the question to put out an offer of 1-1.1M/year for 5 years and see if he's interested. Honestly, I dont see why he would leave the Tigers if we are only offering the same amount, but as already mentioned, we cant afford to spend that much salary cap on one player and maybe he wants to get out of the publicity loop in Victoria with the incentive to play together with Lids again next year. We are missing a player who opponents truly fear and have a real X-factor about them, and Martin does provide this.

And whilst Shiel has time and time again shown his loyalty, I do worry he may be one who would like to return home if we were to win a premiership in the coming years. Not because of money though, but just to be with family again. That being said, I feel it is important we do aim to target another player with acceleration and toughness at stoppages like Paddy Dow in the draft - maybe if North, Saints or Carlton could potentially trade up to a higher draft pick since it seems the Lions are interested in him with their 1st pick. Although Taranto, Hopper, BamBam and Setterfield are all great big-bodied young mids, I feel like they are a bit one-paced and this could mean if Shiel does sustain a long-term injury in the future or wants to return home, we would be hard pressed to find a replacement player who can similarly burst out of the stoppages.
 
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Have time now and thought naybe one of the regulars who have a strong interest in trading might respond. We're all a bit scattered by Froday night I think.

I agree it's his call and the club is bigger than any of the players. We've put an offer on the table and the suggestion is it's around $800k for two years. It's public North have offerred more long term. The only indication of his intent is players extending usually do so before the end of the season and he hasn't.
Your not the first person to suggest we go after Martin, I see two difficulties

1. We may simply not have the cash under the cap. As the talent from our start up concessions matures players want, and are entitled to, more money. Figures over $1mil a season are being bandied about. In my view we have to prioritise Guys like Dylan Shiel, for example, who show loyalty. I see an issue if players are forced to acceot lower salaries to accommodate Martin. If Kelly gies we would have the trade currency in picks though if we chose to go that way.

2. My personal view is new clubs like us have to be careful about the character of marquee playets they recruit. We are maturing as a club but still. There have been querues about Martin in the past, although it may be he is maturing as a player as well.
that's true we need Dylan to stay with his bulldozing dashes and martin has indeed been handling the pressure quite well(never been suspeneded) . My doubts about him is the fear of him back in Sydney which would attract some unwanted attention.
 
Although its hard to fathom a scenario where we can actually get Martin, but if Kelly does leave, it might not be completely out of the question to put out an offer of 1-1.1M/year for 5 years and see if he's interested. Honestly, I dont see why he would leave the Tigers if we are only offering the same amount, but as already mentioned, we cant afford to spend that much salary cap on one player and maybe he wants to get out of the publicity loop in Victoria with the incentive to play together with Lids again next year. We are missing a player who opponents truly fear and have a real X-factor about them, and Martin does provide this.

And whilst Shiel has time and time again shown his loyalty, I do worry he may be one who would like to return home if we were to win a premiership in the coming years. Not because of money though, but just to be with family again. That being said, I feel it is important we do aim to target another player with acceleration and toughness at stoppages like Paddy Dow in the draft - maybe if North, Saints or Carlton could potentially trade up to a higher draft pick since it seems the Lions are interested in him with their 1st pick. Although Taranto, Hopper, BamBam and Setterfield are all great big-bodied young mids, I feel like they are a bit one-paced and this could mean if Shiel does sustain a long-term injury in the future or wants to return home, we would be hard pressed to find a replacement player who can similarly burst out of the stoppages.
i thought lids gonna retire for his form hasn't been that great (injuries and age) , so hopefully dusty enjoys syd considering his lived there( just dont go to any thai places)
 
i thought lids gonna retire for his form hasn't been that great (injuries and age) , so hopefully dusty enjoys syd considering his lived there( just dont go to any thai places)

Surprised with some of the names people think the club would target
I do agree a small forward would be a target and maybe a depth midfielder but Martin would cost too much in terms of salary an dia Puopolo although talented wouldn't be interested in Sydney unless it was for money which would be better spent on current players I feel
 
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